More bad news for Christians...

At 6/22/2015 3:47:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christians?

Believe what you must. But God exists. Your man made theories are entertaining at best.

At 6/21/2015 8:58:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

There are thousands of Martyrs... All with the title Christian.. They were called and accused as cannibals back 2000 years ago... Because they believed in eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood! Jesus taught this ...
53 Jesus said, "I tell you the truth. You must eat the flesh of the Son of Man. And you must drink his blood. If you don"t do this, then you won"t have real life in you.

These Christ followers went to their death believing this teaching from Jesus! They believed and taught eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood in the form of bread and wine... They still do today!!!

At 6/22/2015 3:55:21 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:47:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christians?

Believe what you must. But God exists. Your man made theories are entertaining at best.

LOL---yeah. And Yahweh isn't man-made? Or the entire bible? Its truly amazing and momentous list of contradictions and downright falsehoods prove it could not be the work of a Divine Entity. But rather of a Bronze Age and largely illiterate nomadic group of oft-oppressed Hebrews who sorely needed a BFF to help them imagine they would one day vanquish all those other tribes that were kicking their butts on a daily bases.


Could I ask you why you would think god existed if you were never taught that. Or had ever read the bible? In other words: can you give just one tiny simple shred of proof from today's world that your god exists? And is not all in your head?

I will wait.

Thanks!

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:55:21 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:47:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christians?

Believe what you must. But God exists. Your man made theories are entertaining at best.

LOL---yeah. And Yahweh isn't man-made? Or the entire bible? Its truly amazing and momentous list of contradictions and downright falsehoods prove it could not be the work of a Divine Entity. But rather of a Bronze Age and largely illiterate nomadic group of oft-oppressed Hebrews who sorely needed a BFF to help them imagine they would one day vanquish all those other tribes that were kicking their butts on a daily bases.


Could I ask you why you would think god existed if you were never taught that. Or had ever read the bible? In other words: can you give just one tiny simple shred of proof from today's world that your god exists? And is not all in your head?

I will wait.

Thanks!

I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

At 6/22/2015 4:04:16 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:58:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

There are thousands of Martyrs... All with the title Christian.. They were called and accused as cannibals back 2000 years ago... Because they believed in eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood! Jesus taught this ...
53 Jesus said, "I tell you the truth. You must eat the flesh of the Son of Man. And you must drink his blood. If you don"t do this, then you won"t have real life in you.

These Christ followers went to their death believing this teaching from Jesus! They believed and taught eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood in the form of bread and wine... They still do today!!!

You should know that just because somebody is deluded enough to become a martyr, that is, to die for their religion, does not in any way add veracity to the actual existence of their god. or gods. Or dogma.

Look at all those Middle Eastern nuts? Like ISIL. The Taliban; Sharia Law. Suicide bombers. They willingly go to their deaths every day. Do you believe in their god? Their beliefs? Their Koran? Why not? they die as martyrs, don't they? How are the old christian ones any different? The muslims would say you are the deluded one and not them.

Who is to say? Prove your belief is any more worthy than theirs. All you guys have is your bible--you always go running back to it when you can find no other evidence. They do the same thing with their Koran. You are no better than them.

Or can you prove otherwise?

At 6/22/2015 4:17:11 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:55:21 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:47:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christians?

Believe what you must. But God exists. Your man made theories are entertaining at best.

LOL---yeah. And Yahweh isn't man-made? Or the entire bible? Its truly amazing and momentous list of contradictions and downright falsehoods prove it could not be the work of a Divine Entity. But rather of a Bronze Age and largely illiterate nomadic group of oft-oppressed Hebrews who sorely needed a BFF to help them imagine they would one day vanquish all those other tribes that were kicking their butts on a daily bases.


Could I ask you why you would think god existed if you were never taught that. Or had ever read the bible? In other words: can you give just one tiny simple shred of proof from today's world that your god exists? And is not all in your head?

I will wait.

Thanks!

I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

LOL.

Exactly what I expected.

You did not disappoint. Your kind rarely do.

You could not answer my challenge. Not even present one shred of proof. Or even a tiny likelihood.

So you do what ALL deluded zealots do: you toss out an ad hominem attack on your Inquisitor and then you run away.

Run!

Run!

LOL.

Correr, vato!

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:


I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

At 6/22/2015 4:43:01 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:


I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

Where others have failed miserably to explain the "spirit world", perhaps you will be more successful and help the rest of us access and understand that special knowledge you hold.

This thread has been created for just that purpose...

http://www.debate.org...

At 6/22/2015 5:05:30 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:43:01 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:


I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

Where others have failed miserably to explain the "spirit world", perhaps you will be more successful and help the rest of us access and understand that special knowledge you hold.

This thread has been created for just that purpose...

http://www.debate.org...

If you want real life (proof) about the spirit world, then go where the spirit dwellers are. But I warn you, this will be an experience that you will remember for life You know who they are. Don't be a coward sitting behind a computer looking for rational evidence about the spirits. Life will show you what you need to know. And the world will not hesitate to give it to you. =)

At 6/22/2015 4:26:35 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:17:11 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:55:21 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/22/2015 3:47:32 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christians?

Believe what you must. But God exists. Your man made theories are entertaining at best.

LOL---yeah. And Yahweh isn't man-made? Or the entire bible? Its truly amazing and momentous list of contradictions and downright falsehoods prove it could not be the work of a Divine Entity. But rather of a Bronze Age and largely illiterate nomadic group of oft-oppressed Hebrews who sorely needed a BFF to help them imagine they would one day vanquish all those other tribes that were kicking their butts on a daily bases.


Could I ask you why you would think god existed if you were never taught that. Or had ever read the bible? In other words: can you give just one tiny simple shred of proof from today's world that your god exists? And is not all in your head?

I will wait.

Thanks!

I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

LOL.

Exactly what I expected.

You did not disappoint. Your kind rarely do.

You could not answer my challenge. Not even present one shred of proof. Or even a tiny likelihood.

So you do what ALL deluded zealots do: you toss out an ad hominem attack on your Inquisitor and then you run away.

Run!

Run!

LOL.

Correr, vato!

My kind is on a higher level of thinking than you could ever be in this lifetime or any other time. All you need is one experience in this world, and your perspective will change quickly. But since youre still so young and ignorant, I will leave that up to chance. The Earth is not flat, and we are not in this world alone. Youd be a fool to think so my friend. And I am not being sarcastic when I say this.

At 6/22/2015 5:05:30 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:43:01 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:13:32 PM, inferno wrote:


I know you have been taught or misguided to believe what you do. The secret society said there would be skeptics like you who lack knowledge about the spirit world....so I will not argue with a fool.

Where others have failed miserably to explain the "spirit world", perhaps you will be more successful and help the rest of us access and understand that special knowledge you hold.

This thread has been created for just that purpose...

http://www.debate.org...

If you want real life (proof) about the spirit world, then go where the spirit dwellers are.

But I warn you, this will be an experience that you will remember for life You know who they are. Don't be a coward sitting behind a computer looking for rational evidence about the spirits. Life will show you what you need to know. And the world will not hesitate to give it to you. =)

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

At 6/23/2015 10:25:48 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

Tell me. What is wrong then.

At 6/23/2015 5:35:13 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:25:48 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

Tell me. What is wrong then.

Everything.

At 6/23/2015 5:43:47 PM, Envisage wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:35:13 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:25:48 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

Tell me. What is wrong then.

Everything.

Out of interest. Why do you or God care if God's name (which is just a label for the concept - especially given the changes in languages etc.) is destroyed (I presume that is the reason why you type G-d instead of Gid).

Further, if you accept the premise that words and symbols are just labels for agreed upon concept (hence how God's name changes between different languages and eras), then even "G-d" becomes a label for the agreed upon concept of "God" - which means that destroying something with "G-d" on it indeed destroys God's name just as much as destroying "God" does. Since both collections of symbols refer to exactly the same concept - in exactly the same way that "God" in another language does.

At 6/23/2015 6:52:37 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:43:47 PM, Envisage wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:35:13 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:25:48 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

Tell me. What is wrong then.

Everything.

Out of interest. Why do you or God care if God's name (which is just a label for the concept - especially given the changes in languages etc.) is destroyed (I presume that is the reason why you type G-d instead of Gid).

It's more habit than anything. Apparently his name *can* be destroyed if you spell it "God" and that's just stayed with me. Sometimes I forget, but generally I spell it the former way. Literally because that's what I learned.

Further, if you accept the premise that words and symbols are just labels for agreed upon concept (hence how God's name changes between different languages and eras), then even "G-d" becomes a label for the agreed upon concept of "God" - which means that destroying something with "G-d" on it indeed destroys God's name just as much as destroying "God" does. Since both collections of symbols refer to exactly the same concept - in exactly the same way that "God" in another language does.

I don't know about that ;) The whole point of "G-d" is that it cannot be destroyed and/or undermined in any way. When it's spelled as "God" it can obviously be used to refer to a number of gods, instead of the one in the Hebrew bible. It all goes back to the Mitzvot commandments.

At 6/23/2015 6:54:45 PM, Envisage wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:52:37 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:43:47 PM, Envisage wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:35:13 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:25:48 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

Tell me. What is wrong then.

Everything.

Out of interest. Why do you or God care if God's name (which is just a label for the concept - especially given the changes in languages etc.) is destroyed (I presume that is the reason why you type G-d instead of Gid).

It's more habit than anything. Apparently his name *can* be destroyed if you spell it "God" and that's just stayed with me. Sometimes I forget, but generally I spell it the former way. Literally because that's what I learned.

Further, if you accept the premise that words and symbols are just labels for agreed upon concept (hence how God's name changes between different languages and eras), then even "G-d" becomes a label for the agreed upon concept of "God" - which means that destroying something with "G-d" on it indeed destroys God's name just as much as destroying "God" does. Since both collections of symbols refer to exactly the same concept - in exactly the same way that "God" in another language does.

I don't know about that ;) The whole point of "G-d" is that it cannot be destroyed and/or undermined in any way. When it's spelled as "God" it can obviously be used to refer to a number of gods, instead of the one in the Hebrew bible. It all goes back to the Mitzvot commandments.

This would be a lot easier if you renamed your God "Bob" - or "B-b"... Then.

At 6/23/2015 6:52:37 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:43:47 PM, Envisage wrote:

At 6/23/2015 5:35:13 PM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:25:48 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 10:13:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/23/2015 9:44:43 AM, inferno wrote:

At 6/23/2015 6:01:01 AM, Emilrose wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:42:55 PM, inferno wrote:

At 6/22/2015 4:21:50 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Sources?

The concept of Jesus being born on December 25th isn't even outlined in the Bible; the Roman Catholic Church introduced it after converting *some* Pagans to the religion. It's essentially based on Saturnalia, which was a Pagan holiday.

What do you believe in.

G-d, I suppose. If there was any Messiah, I think Jesus was probably that.

Are you okay.

LOL, not really. At least mentally.

Tell me. What is wrong then.

Everything.

Out of interest. Why do you or God care if God's name (which is just a label for the concept - especially given the changes in languages etc.) is destroyed (I presume that is the reason why you type G-d instead of Gid).

It's more habit than anything. Apparently his name *can* be destroyed if you spell it "God" and that's just stayed with me. Sometimes I forget, but generally I spell it the former way. Literally because that's what I learned.

Further, if you accept the premise that words and symbols are just labels for agreed upon concept (hence how God's name changes between different languages and eras), then even "G-d" becomes a label for the agreed upon concept of "God" - which means that destroying something with "G-d" on it indeed destroys God's name just as much as destroying "God" does. Since both collections of symbols refer to exactly the same concept - in exactly the same way that "God" in another language does.

I don't know about that ;) The whole point of "G-d" is that it cannot be destroyed and/or undermined in any way. When it's spelled as "God" it can obviously be used to refer to a number of gods, instead of the one in the Hebrew bible. It all goes back to the Mitzvot commandments.

At 6/21/2015 5:30:42 PM, Skyangel wrote:
I doubt many will tell you what they think about that because they do not want to believe it so they will simply close their eyes and pretend to not see it.

The interesting thing is that it provides evidence that the stories are all fictional. The names of the mythical characters make no difference to the message in the stories.
It appears the same message has been conveyed through similar stories even before the books of the NT were written.

It makes one look closer at the stories to find the message rather than just skim the surface and believe that a faith in a mythical character can save anyone from anything.

The question is do people need saving from anything? If so, from what do they need saving and what methods or processes are available to save them?

What message does the story convey to you ?
It is obviously not about a fictional character saving anyone from a fictional place called hell.

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

At 6/22/2015 4:25:00 PM, Dogknox wrote:
God became man so he could pay for the sin of Adam!

At 6/22/2015 4:25:00 PM, Dogknox wrote:
All sins bring death... All die because of Adams sin, all are living in a corrupted creation because of Adams sin!