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I-am-a-panda
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11/6/2009 8:45:27 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Apparently, Africa will split into two continents when a new ocean forms in the Sahara. Thoughts?

http://en.wikinews.org...
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Mirza
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11/6/2009 5:58:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
This is very interesting. It reminds me of what prophet Muhammad said about a sign of Day of Judgement:

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "The Hour will not begin until the land of the Arabs once again becomes meadows and rivers." Narrated by Muslim (157)

It seems that something like this and global warming will make the Arabian land become meadows and rivers again. Geologists have proven that Arabia in fact was once meadows and rivers, and that it will become like that once more, probably due to global warming.

I'm telling you this in order to show you why we Muslims follow Islam as much as we can. All these signs are strengthening our Faith, and that is why we fear God. (Note that when the Prophet [peace be upon him] predicted such things, he did not speak of his own knowledge, but verything was told to him by God, so that the prophet himself could expain it to us.)
Volkov
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11/6/2009 7:03:22 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Sorry to burst your bubble Mirza, but the Sahara is not Arabia. They're close to each other, but far from the same.

As well, there is zero indication of the Arabian Peninsula ever reforming itself back to "meadows and rivers." If anything, the state of desertification will get worse in the area.

Anyways, this entire "ocean in the Sahara" stuff isn't new. Geologists have known about the tearing-apart of the Great Rift Valley for ages. Its expected that within the next 5-10 thousand years, the possibility of it being wide enough for significant water intrusion will occur.

But, going all the way up to the Sahara?.... as far as I'm aware, the Sahara rests at a higher altitude than the Valley and most of East Africa, I'm guessing at least 20 m higher. I could be wrong, but it would take quite a lot of water before the Sahara even became slightly damp, at which point I suspect most of the known world will be underwater.
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At 3/4/2010 1:46:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
I think Sheldon Richman is a pretty cool guy. eh fights capitalism and doesnt afraid of anything.


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Mirza
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11/11/2009 10:46:48 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 11/10/2009 11:25:32 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Mirza was DATCMOTO in a past life.
At least I don't believe that my ancestors were monkeys.
Mirza
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11/11/2009 10:58:58 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 11/6/2009 7:03:22 PM, Volkov wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble Mirza, but the Sahara is not Arabia. They're close to each other, but far from the same.
I know that, but both are desert-lands, and these kind of things apply to both of them because they are so similar.
As well, there is zero indication of the Arabian Peninsula ever reforming itself back to "meadows and rivers." If anything, the state of desertification will get worse in the area.
Please save me from non-researched opinions. Are you a geologist or something? Go to Saudi Arabia and make some research then find a computer you can reply to me on. Professor Alfred Kroner is one of the most famous geologists in the world, and he said that it is totally true that the Arabian Peninsula was once meadows and rivers, and that it will become so again. Global Warming makes the oceans rise, so don't you think it's a sign? Also, more rain will fall, so technically, it is 100% possible that the desert in Arabia becomes meadows and rivers again.
Volkov
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11/11/2009 3:47:03 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 11/11/2009 10:58:58 AM, Mirza wrote:
Please save me from non-researched opinions. Are you a geologist or something? Go to Saudi Arabia and make some research then find a computer you can reply to me on. Professor Alfred Kroner is one of the most famous geologists in the world, and he said that it is totally true that the Arabian Peninsula was once meadows and rivers, and that it will become so again. Global Warming makes the oceans rise, so don't you think it's a sign? Also, more rain will fall, so technically, it is 100% possible that the desert in Arabia becomes meadows and rivers again.

a) I'm not a geologist, but I've lived with one my entire life

b) Kroner is well respected, and I never said Saudi Arabia wasn't once "meadows and rivers," but I highly doubt that there is any recent chance of it returning to that state simply because:

1b) all factors of desertification appear to be increasing the size of the Arabian desert, not decreasing, as this map shows the severe vulnerability of deserts encroaching into Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Turkey, etc. - http://upload.wikimedia.org...

2b) simply having rain fall means zero when the soil is so degraded that nothing can live, as this map shows: http://www.landfood.ubc.ca...

3b) the global cycle will more than likely cool before it gets too warm, which means that it will be more dry and cold, which is bad for rain and the return of "meadows and rivers"

c) nothing is "100% possible," because if it was 100%, it wouldn't be "possible," it would be assured.
At 3/4/2010 1:49:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/4/2010 1:46:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
I think Sheldon Richman is a pretty cool guy. eh fights capitalism and doesnt afraid of anything.


Good for you.
Mirza
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11/13/2009 12:37:41 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Volkov, when oceans rise and more rain falls, there is a great possibility that the land of Arabs will turn from deserts to meadows and rivers. Also, nobody has said when it will turn into that, but that it surely will, and that there are several indications. Who knows how the climate is in 50-100 years?

Also, isn't it already miraculous enough that the beloved prophet knew that it once was meadows and rivers? It's just one of the many signs that he received knowledge from a divine being.

I'm confident that Global Warming (climate change) plays a role in this, but hopefully we will find out soon.
Volkov
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11/13/2009 4:56:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
It isn't miraculous at all. It is called playing to the hopes of the plighted. It is what communists, anarchists and religious preachers do.
At 3/4/2010 1:49:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/4/2010 1:46:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
I think Sheldon Richman is a pretty cool guy. eh fights capitalism and doesnt afraid of anything.


Good for you.
Mirza
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11/14/2009 9:24:52 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 11/13/2009 4:56:20 PM, Volkov wrote:
It isn't miraculous at all. It is called playing to the hopes of the plighted. It is what communists, anarchists and religious preachers do.
Isn't it miraculous to you that it was known 14 centuries ago that the land of Arabs was once meadows and rivers? Also, the prophecies of the Qur'an have all been fulfilled stage by stage, and some of them are yet to come to light (i.e. Day of Judgement), so you think the one about the land of Arabs becoming meadows and rivers again will be unfulfilled? It surely won't. In Islam, every prophecy is true, and we know that due to all those that have been fulfilled. Regarding other religions, our beloved prophet commented on that saying that those who think they can look into the future make many guesses and get some of them right, which is completely true. I have yet to see any book or person make 100 predictions in the future with all of them being true, like with the Qur'an, where no prophecies are unfulfilled, but through 1,400 years prophecies have been fulfilled, and others have yet to come, and even the signs of them are evident. You can watch many YouTube videos about Qur'anic and authentic hadith prophecies being signs to the Day of Judgement. They all match with what is happening today. For example, there will be competitions on who can make the most tall/fascinating buildings, which is what we are witnessing today. That is one among numerous others.