At 12/6/2011 4:06:27 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Oh where to begin. First and foremost, you want to talk race, racism is different from. They were fighting for their own rights. Their own freedom. OWS is mad about others having too much money. Not the same thing. This ain't liberation, its a rich people lynch mob.
Oh, where to begin. Racism is actually not that different. The links between racism and classism are innumerable. You say blacks fought for "freedom." Actually, blacks were not enslaved during the 1960s when they fought for Civil Rights. They fought to not have to sit at the back of the bus, to not have to drink from separate water fountains, etc. However if you truly believed in capitalism, then you would say that blacks should have to drink from a different water fountain if whites owned the water fountain and didn't want black people drinking from it. Fail.
You're wrong in saying this isn't about "liberation." That is absolutely what it is about: libertarian from the endless cycle of corruption between Wall Street fat cats and the politicians they pay to deregulate commerce, so that they can continue their shoddy business practices and get rich at the taxpayer's expense, ultimately fvcking the middle and working class up the a$s while you sit there and make fun of the people smart and passionate enough to draw attention to this unsuccessful, scummy model that our government operates on. Please - it is absolutely about liberation.
You want to talk brainwashing? I don't appreciate OWS trying to brainwash me." We are the 99%" fukk you. You don't know me. Don't group me in with you.
Lol, are you part of the 1% of people who own 42% of the country's wealth? No. So you are in fact part of the 99% they are referring to.
I have seen you react very emotionally in this thread. That is what your "arguments" are based on - not logic. You are so defensive that these people are trying to define you, that you are senselessly attacking them while they attempt to fight the current system that hurts you (and if you think it doesn't then you are seriously, seriously ignorant).
Actually, throughout this thread you have said silly things ("I don't care if corporations run the world so long as I am not seen as part of that idiotic group!"). You care more about your own ego and how you think you come off to other people rather than attempt to put the pieces together and figure out right from wrong. You seem insecure. You are probably brainwashed into thinking it's a masculinity thing or strength of character thing to be so individualistic and cut-throat (the "life's just not fair" bullsh!t).
And that's what makes angry. Cause, just like the corporations, they don't give a sh1t about me or my family. Where the hell where you when i struggled to get out of Compton? Where were you when I was using outdated textbooks? You aren't me. We ain't family. If i stopped working, for your fuckin protest, would you buy me food? Would you buy my son diapers? He has a doctors appointment coming up, you going to pay for that? No? Then f*ck off.
First of all, the group isn't out to support you or anyone. It's trying to call attention to a bad system that needs fixing. Period. Second of all, everyone knows that OSW gives out free food, sleeping bags and shelter (albeit tents lol - nothing extravagant). That is more than super rich corporations will offer you, despite the people at OSW just being lower to working class volunteers with not much to spare.
Regardless, your perception is so completely warped that I don't even know where to begin. I guess I'm trying to be patient in the hopes that you can actually take something positive away from this dialog. Basically, I have no idea why you think you should side with the group more likely to give something to you or your family, personally. The debate is about the merit of the system and what solutions would be better - not which side cares more about your family.
Each side are comprised of nothing but individuals - strangers who know nothing about you or your family, so of course don't care about you personally. However, it'd be silly and dishonest for you to suggest that corporations care more about your well-being than the people of the OSW movement.
Besides, I really think this is about the banking system and corruption (money in politics). I think the whole "Corporations are evil" thing is really just being highlighted by a minority from the movement; probably the communists. They don't speak for the entire movement, and nothing official I've seen (in terms of goals) said anything about bringing down corporations. Perhaps OSW is against corporate personhood or something like that (where corporations are given the same rights as humans, which is ridiculously problematic).
I'm not a slave to the system. I'm above the system. I'm above you. I'm above bill gates and the rest of the 1%. I choose my destiny, my fate.
don't want to be disrespectful, but all I can say to this is L...O...L.
I could go into so0o many points easily arguing against this. I'd love to just debate it with you formally, but I couldn't even think of a proper resolution off the top of my head. Basically, it's completely ignorant to think that you have so much control of your destiny. Not only do I NOT believe in free will from a philosophical and quantum physics perspective (lol, that's another story), but you yourself negated this very idea. Just a few sentences ago you complained about having bad textbooks. Right there, you're acknowledging that kids from poor areas have far less access to quality education and therefore a plethora of other opportunities.
You are born into a situation of advantages and disadvantages. You can certainly make choices that impact your fate, but you are still shackled by your environment: your biological make-up, your community, your networking opportunities, etc. For instance, someone who was born mentally retarded cannot "choose their own fate" to the extent that you think you can. Obviously they are disadvantaged. Similarly, people born into poor economic situations, bad family situations, etc. are disadvantaged. It would be silly for you to say you are above the system. You are in the thick of it lol, supporting it blindly.
And i will NOT put it in the hands of a bunch of college kids who don't know the true meaning of poor.
It's fallacious to say an argument doesn't have merit based on who supports it (so-called "college kids"). Further, you're spewing more Fox News propoganda about how the OWS movement is nothing but a bunch of spoiled, young, lazy hippies. Yawn. This has been disproven many times over. Have you actually been to an Occupy site? NOPE. So you have no idea who is there protesting. There are a bunch of economists who support the movement too. Moreover, young people are usually at the heart of EVERY movement. They are the ones with the time to invest (no career, kids or obligations).
Who don't know the true meaning of inequality.
Terribly presumptuous of you to say. You know nothing about them, hypocrite.
If OWS had or somehow does get its sh!t together, I will support them.
But you won't do anything to help them get their sh!t together, I see. Nice.
But it will still be from the sidelines. Because you people didn't really think about the majority of the 99%. The mothafuckas that have to grind every goddamn day. If you truly represented us, then you wouldn't fail so hard. You're in a position to make history. You're blowing it.
You're talking to the wrong side, my friend.
So I'm going to ride my high horse right to the bank. My son needs new shoes.
Lol, you work hard and are lucky if you can buy your son shoes. Wall St. fat cats operate on illegal pyramid schemes that fvck the entire economy while they get rich at your expense and you sit there defending it. Hilarious :)
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