The ACLU

At 1/5/2012 12:55:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:50:52 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:48:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:46:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:23:06 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:13:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I don't understand what the big problem is with forcing religion on somebody. If the values and morals that the religion contains are beneficial for society, then force it all you want. Religion contains highly objective morality which is not found to such an extent in other subjective areas of morality. Highly objective morals, like those found in the Bible provide the basis for a safe and stable society

That is nonsensical because the Bible explicitly allows for people to make a choice as to whether or not they want to accept the morals within it.

That's not my point. My point is that it is better to accept Bible morals rather than other morals.

And my point is that Biblical morals tell us not to force them on others, so if we truly accept them, we cannot force others to believe them.

I'm pretty sure the Bible says to kill all infidels...

No religious text says to kill all infidels. You are being a troll in an attempt to claim that Islam is evil.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

At 1/5/2012 1:24:05 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:55:48 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:50:52 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:48:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:46:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:23:06 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:13:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I don't understand what the big problem is with forcing religion on somebody. If the values and morals that the religion contains are beneficial for society, then force it all you want. Religion contains highly objective morality which is not found to such an extent in other subjective areas of morality. Highly objective morals, like those found in the Bible provide the basis for a safe and stable society

That is nonsensical because the Bible explicitly allows for people to make a choice as to whether or not they want to accept the morals within it.

That's not my point. My point is that it is better to accept Bible morals rather than other morals.

And my point is that Biblical morals tell us not to force them on others, so if we truly accept them, we cannot force others to believe them.

I'm pretty sure the Bible says to kill all infidels...

No religious text says to kill all infidels. You are being a troll in an attempt to claim that Islam is evil.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

1. Deuteronomy is from the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus explicitly commands his followers not to force their beliefs on others.
2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant. You are suggesting that we force people to accept a religion that they never were originally a part of.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

You took this quote out of context. If you are actually interested in the truth, please read this. http://www.theamericanmuslim.org...

That is NOT a general command to kill all "infidels."

"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

At 1/5/2012 2:33:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

That is completely false; the two religions have very distinct beliefs.

Judaism is based on a monotheistic version of Egyptian mythology which itself is based on Egyptian mythology. So, according to your argument, all Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually adherents of Kemetism.

At 12/30/2011 4:58:57 PM, OberHerr wrote:
The American Civil Liberties Union for clarification.

What do you think of them?

They have helped me personally in a case I could not afford a lawyer for and they did everything free of charge. Can't say I have any complaints.

Have they done more to help, or more to harm?

From my personal experience with them and reading about them- they have done more to help. They are always helping the underdog- and often free of charge. They have been at the front lines in every case I've ever read about which might threaten someone's, anyone's, civil liberties. Whether they do more good than bad overall- I really don't know. But I have never seen evidence that they harm.

If you had the option, would you disband them?

No.

At 1/5/2012 2:35:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:33:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

That is completely false; the two religions have very distinct beliefs.

Judaism is based on a monotheistic version of Egyptian mythology which itself is based on Egyptian mythology. So, according to your argument, all Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually adherents of Kemetism.

Definitely not the same, but similar.

http://www.religionfacts.com...

At 1/8/2012 12:07:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:35:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:33:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

That is completely false; the two religions have very distinct beliefs.

Judaism is based on a monotheistic version of Egyptian mythology which itself is based on Egyptian mythology. So, according to your argument, all Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually adherents of Kemetism.

Definitely not the same, but similar.

http://www.religionfacts.com...

What is your point? That was MY argument. Thanks for trying to steal it and pretend that I was making your nonsensical claims.

At 1/9/2012 8:14:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:07:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:35:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:33:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

That is completely false; the two religions have very distinct beliefs.

Judaism is based on a monotheistic version of Egyptian mythology which itself is based on Egyptian mythology. So, according to your argument, all Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually adherents of Kemetism.

Definitely not the same, but similar.

http://www.religionfacts.com...

What is your point? That was MY argument. Thanks for trying to steal it and pretend that I was making your nonsensical claims.

What the fvck are you talking about? I was saying that Christianity and Judaism is SIMILAR. You were saying that it is not. I proved my point.

At 1/9/2012 9:31:33 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/9/2012 8:14:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:07:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:35:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:33:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

That is completely false; the two religions have very distinct beliefs.

Judaism is based on a monotheistic version of Egyptian mythology which itself is based on Egyptian mythology. So, according to your argument, all Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually adherents of Kemetism.

Definitely not the same, but similar.

http://www.religionfacts.com...

What is your point? That was MY argument. Thanks for trying to steal it and pretend that I was making your nonsensical claims.

What the fvck are you talking about? I was saying that Christianity and Judaism is SIMILAR. You were saying that it is not. I proved my point.

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I said that they were distinct religions because they have many different beliefs. You said that Christians are just the same religion.

At 1/9/2012 10:23:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/9/2012 9:31:33 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/9/2012 8:14:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/8/2012 12:07:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:35:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:33:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 2:22:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 1:41:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
"2. Please READ the text that you posted. It says if anyone who was part of the covenant (meaning, if they were Jewish) goes against these ideas, they should be killed. This does not mean that people who are not willingly to convert to Judaism should be killed or that Judaism should be forced onto people who did not willingly join the covenant."
And is it your opinion that being born a Jew constitutes willingly joining the covenant?

This command does not apply to that situation because someone has to willingly accept the covenant, not be born into it, in order to be considered a Jew.

Might I remind you that Christianity is based of off Judaism, so technically all Christians are Jews.

That is completely false; the two religions have very distinct beliefs.

Judaism is based on a monotheistic version of Egyptian mythology which itself is based on Egyptian mythology. So, according to your argument, all Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually adherents of Kemetism.

Definitely not the same, but similar.

http://www.religionfacts.com...

What is your point? That was MY argument. Thanks for trying to steal it and pretend that I was making your nonsensical claims.

What the fvck are you talking about? I was saying that Christianity and Judaism is SIMILAR. You were saying that it is not. I proved my point.

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I said that they were distinct religions because they have many different beliefs. You said that Christians are just the same religion.

*sigh*. Read what I said before attempting to falsely and unsuccessfully condemn me.

At 1/5/2012 12:48:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:46:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:23:06 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:13:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I don't understand what the big problem is with forcing religion on somebody. If the values and morals that the religion contains are beneficial for society, then force it all you want. Religion contains highly objective morality which is not found to such an extent in other subjective areas of morality. Highly objective morals, like those found in the Bible provide the basis for a safe and stable society

That is nonsensical because the Bible explicitly allows for people to make a choice as to whether or not they want to accept the morals within it.

That's not my point. My point is that it is better to accept Bible morals rather than other morals.

And my point is that Biblical morals tell us not to force them on others, so if we truly accept them, we cannot force others to believe them.

where's the verse about not praying in public? Where do these ashholes follow that??

At 1/9/2012 11:31:50 AM, Im_always_right wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:48:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:46:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:23:06 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/5/2012 12:13:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I don't understand what the big problem is with forcing religion on somebody. If the values and morals that the religion contains are beneficial for society, then force it all you want. Religion contains highly objective morality which is not found to such an extent in other subjective areas of morality. Highly objective morals, like those found in the Bible provide the basis for a safe and stable society

That is nonsensical because the Bible explicitly allows for people to make a choice as to whether or not they want to accept the morals within it.

That's not my point. My point is that it is better to accept Bible morals rather than other morals.

And my point is that Biblical morals tell us not to force them on others, so if we truly accept them, we cannot force others to believe them.

where's the verse about not praying in public? Where do these ashholes follow that??

I don't know. Please show us.

At 1/9/2012 11:34:16 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

I don't know. Please show us.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 6:5

At 1/9/2012 11:38:29 AM, Im_always_right wrote:

At 1/9/2012 11:34:16 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

I don't know. Please show us.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

lol. That doesn't prohibit praying in public places.

At 1/9/2012 11:47:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/9/2012 11:38:29 AM, Im_always_right wrote:

At 1/9/2012 11:34:16 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

I don't know. Please show us.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

lol. That doesn't prohibit praying in public places.

Yeah, that does not prohibit praying public places. Whoever interpreted this passage in that fashion was wrong.
It says that individuals should not be concerned about publically showing affection for god. If people truly cared about god, they would pray to him in private places and would have no need to declare their allegiances publically.

At 1/9/2012 12:44:06 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

At 1/9/2012 11:47:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

At 1/9/2012 11:38:29 AM, Im_always_right wrote:

At 1/9/2012 11:34:16 AM, Lordknukle wrote:

I don't know. Please show us.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

lol. That doesn't prohibit praying in public places.

Yeah, that does not prohibit praying public places. Whoever interpreted this passage in that fashion was wrong.
It says that individuals should not be concerned about publically showing affection for god. If people truly cared about god, they would pray to him in private places and would have no need to declare their allegiances publically.

Which shows that teachers, street preachers, TV channels and radios dedicated to blasting christianity everywhere etc are hypocrites and worthy of scorn.
Which shows that according to both the state and the religion schools should not lead children in prayer etc.

On another note, Jannah had this on her fb profile, I think it's worth sharing.

http://www.addictinginfo.org...