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  • Yes and No

    A government employee is as much a tax payer as the public sector employee in that neither has the option to refuse to pay without penalty. It is equally enforced across the "sector" lines.

    It does make sense however that some argue the no net gain point. Other than the redistribution of the Gov. Employee taxes it seems to make no sense. If the redistribution of funds was not necessary it would seem prudent to remove taxes from Gov Emp. As a way to shrink the role of the IRS.

  • Yes and No

    A government employee is as much a tax payer as the public sector employee in that neither has the option to refuse to pay without penalty. It is equally enforced across the "sector" lines.

    It does make sense however that some argue the no net gain point. Other than the redistribution of the Gov. Employee taxes it seems to make no sense. If the redistribution of funds was not necessary it would seem prudent to remove taxes from Gov Emp. As a way to shrink the role of the IRS.

  • Yes and No

    A government employee is as much a tax payer as the public sector employee in that neither has the option to refuse to pay without penalty. It is equally enforced across the "sector" lines.

    It does make sense however that some argue the no net gain point. Other than the redistribution of the Gov. Employee taxes it seems to make no sense. If the redistribution of funds was not necessary it would seem prudent to remove taxes from Gov Emp. As a way to shrink the role of the IRS.

  • Collecting tax is not the same as value creation

    A portion of a public worker's salary gets contributed to the public budget to be disbursed again the next time.

    Both private and public workers contribute to the public budget, but private workers are wealth creators and public workers are wealth suckers.

    Less private workers means less total value creation, and more public workers means more of the public budget has to be spent on public salaries which leaves less public budget to be spent on the good of society.

  • Collecting tax is not the same as value creation

    A portion of a public worker's salary gets contributed to the public budget to be disbursed again the next time.

    Both private and public workers contribute to the public budget, but private workers are wealth creators and public workers are wealth suckers.

    Less private workers means less total value creation, and more public workers means more of the public budget has to be spent on public salaries which leaves less public budget to be spent on the good of society.

  • Government employee's should be exempt for property tax because we must live on the city where we work!

    We are not paid the same as the Corporate world. We earn less than those people. We pay union dues. If I work for a Corporation such as United Airline my family and I would receive free flight benefits. What benefit do we receive except a County pension when we retire which is 20 to 30 years later after the fact.

  • Government employees are definitely taxpayers.

    As far as paying taxes,government employees can be seen as identical to any other citizen.They are subject to taxes on their paycheck and are subject to taxes and fines as appropriate to their financial situation they find themselves.Just because they work for the government does not mean they do not pay taxes.

  • Yes, the money still comes out

    They are taxpayers because the money still comes out of the their check. Now since the government really does not have to pay it in that is a little different there but the people are still seeing the deduction from their check. At least they are working to provide unlike some people who live on the government.

  • Yes, government employees pay taxes

    I don't really understand how this is up for debate. Government employees pay taxes just like every other citizen. Just because their salaries are paid for by state or federal taxes does not make them taxpayers. My wife is a teacher and let me assure you that we have taxes taken out of her paycheck every month.

  • Yes, although their salaries come from tax dollars they still pay taxes

    Once a government employee receives a paycheck, the money becomes theirs and they have to pay taxes like anyone who works in the private sector. It may seem that the money is simply being recycled but this simply trivializes the situation. Government employees are indeed taxpayers and this should not be questioned.

  • The working parasites

    They are receiving financial support of taxpayer money. Private sector workers are putting money in public sector worker's pockets. Generally speaking , since their total compensation is relied upon tax revenue then they should not counted as real or true taxpayers. The government employees checks does not contribute any net value to the economy.

  • Government paying employment taxes with tax revenue?

    Government employees pay taxes, just as the private sector, the difference is the revenue source for payroll and employer taxes, which are tax based. So the government hires employees, pay them with tax revenue, tax that income and collect matching taxes from "themselves". So, the private companies are supplying the tax source, and since the government employees taxes are being paid with taxes, which are paid back to the government. Paying tax to yourself has no book value, you are only moving money from one account to another. So one can argue that government employees pay taxes, but the government employer does not, nor does it truly pay matching employment taxes. Therefore, employees are a tax burden to private employers, they become discounted employees for government as they are paid with tax revenue, taxes are paid directly back to the government as well as the matching funds. Tax revenue from tax revenue!!!

  • Not NET taxpayers, which is the implication here

    Technically, even a person who buys a tariff-controlled good, or a good subject to sales tax is a "tax payer." When a person buys gas for their car, they paid yet another ad valorem (according to value) tax. The question is whether or not a person is a NET taxpayer, meaning they are contributing more tax than they are directly consuming for personal prosperity. With this distinction in mind, not a single government employee is a NET taxpayer, and neither is a person who is receiving more welfare (or other government transfers) than the tax they have paid.

    To say that government spending is necessarily "good for society" is an unjustifiable ontology. Who decides what is good? For instance, new subways in DC (metro) cost $40 for a one-way trip after the cost of property tax subsidies to the metro and fare is combined. Most of the cost is hidden. This was not the optimal efficient solution for transportation, and is completely unaffordable if people were made to pay what it actually costs at the point of sale. They would have rejected that project, and chosen an alternative like ride sharing or distributed car rentals. Instead there is an overpriced, inefficient monstrosity built with coerced tax dollars, which is also worse for the environment than alternatives. How is that "good for society?"

    The government can take over goods and services, as is the case with metro, but whether that is "good for society" is a question of alternatives, costs, and hard evidence. It is not relevant to whether or not a person is a taxpayer. A taxpayer is plainly - someone who pays tax, which is nearly all of us. A NET taxpayer is someone who pays more tax than the tax funds they consume directly. Not a single government employee will ever be a NET taxpayer.

  • Government Employees DO NOT Contribute to the GDP!!

    Government Employees (City State or Federal and or Government contractor’s) and taxes and their rights to rule over those that do contribute to the GDP or Tax Base!!


    If any government employee does not contribute to the GDP or the Economy as we think of it; what does it really cost to employee a government body?
    • Their retirement comes from tax dollars
    • Their groceries comes from tax dollars
    • Their car payments comes from tax dollars
    • Their house payments comes from tax dollars
    • Their medical expenses comes from tax dollars
    • Their vacations are paid for by tax dollars
    • Their tithe is paid by tax dollars
    • Their life time pensions are paid by tax dollars
    • Their union dues are paid with tax dollars so the union can use and sue you (the government) for pay and benefit increases. We fund our own demise.
    • THEIR TAXES ARE PAID FOR BY TAX DOLLARS THEREFORE THEY DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY [THE TAX BASE OF AMERICA] AND THE GDP AND THEREFORE DO NOT PAY TAXES
    • TAXES ARE DERIVED FROM THE PROFIT PRODUCED BY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUYING A PRODUCE OR SERVICE AND SELLING IT FOR AN INCREASED DOLLAR AMOUNT [GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES DO NOT CONTRIBUTE THE TAX BASE OF AMERICA]
    • THAT DIFFERENCE OR PROFIT THEN HAS A TAX LEVIED ON IT BASED ON THE CORPORATE TAX RATE. [GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES DO NOT CONTRIBUTE THE TAX BASE OF AMERICA THEY HAVE NO GOODS FOR SALE TO MAKE A PROFIT THAT CAN BE TAXED]
    • THE CORPORATION THEN PASSES THE INCREASED COST OF TAXES ON TO THE CONSUMER THEREFORE CORPORATIONS ARE A TAX COLLECTING ORGANISM BUT NOT A TAX PRODUCING ORGANISM.
    • Should anyone who does not contribute to the “Tax Base” through the GDP and the prosperity of the Economy have the privilege of voting and directing how the money in the budget collected from taxes is spent???? Would that include those on welfare, Politian’s, Unions Officials and anyone that does not contribute to the general welfare of the GDP of America???

  • Gov workers are the GOVERNMENT

    You can not pay your self. If you are part of an organization that gets its money from the tax payer then you cannot be a tax payer. The gov gets all its money from the TAXPAYER, so if you are the government (gov-worker) then you are NOT a tax payer period.

  • Tax government workers at a higher rate.

    Taxing government workers is way to quickly cycle tax dollars back into reserves. One means to circumvent absolute government pension protection is to tax government workers at a higher rate -- much like "Obamacare" was pushed through Congress as a tax. At the federal level, taxation is a very powerful tool with nearly unlimited restriction.

    This is possible at the state and municipal level even when considering contract law theory that otherwise binds public pensions as well as state constitutions (e.G., Illinois) that include language that public-sector pensions "shall not be diminished,"

    Solution: tax government workers at a higher rate.

  • Tax government workers at a higher rate.

    Taxing government workers is way to quickly cycle tax dollars back into reserves. One means to circumvent absolute government pension protection is to tax government workers at a higher rate -- much like "Obamacare" was pushed through Congress as a tax. At the federal level, taxation is a very powerful tool with nearly unlimited restriction.

    This is possible at the state and municipal level even when considering contract law theory that otherwise binds public pensions as well as state constitutions (e.G., Illinois) that include language that public-sector pensions "shall not be diminished,"

    Solution: tax government workers at a higher rate.

  • Where does the money to pay Gov employees come from?

    If 100% of working people were Government employees how long would it take for the Gov to fail? Where would the money influx come from to keep the Gov going? Work the numbers starting from a gross income of zero (i.E. A new Government) and 100% of the working population working for the Gov and see where it gets you. The Gov starts with nothing and needs to generate income. Initially it can't pay its people so it takes out loans. Then it pays people and other bills, reducing its bank balance. Where does the money come from to pay the loan interest, employees and other bills? Now work it with everyone working private sector.

  • It's just a giant circle jerk.

    The government is giving money then just taking some of it back. The argument could be made that since federal employees pay a portion of their paycheck to Uncle sam, they then pay taxes. But what was the point of that? If government employees were to be tax exempt today, they'd just be paid less, splitting the difference of their paycheck and their "taxes. "

  • Milton Friedman put it right

    When addressing a similar issue when he said "That's nonsense, that's bookkeeping not economics". Its taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other, its trying to fill one end of the pool with water from the other end of the pool. Only those who are true producers, true wealth creators, pay taxes. You can be a minimum wage employee and be a wealth creator (if only a small one) but your tax burden is non-existent. Privately produced wealth is the only true revenue source for taxes. All the money for a public employee's pay as well as the money for the taxes removed from their paycheck come from private taxes payed by private wealth producers.

    Yes, public employees can get into as much trouble for not writing a check to Uncle Sam, but that doesn't change the fundamental economics.


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