Unions would not be here if companies treated us right from the get go. Is that not obvious? People do not understand that the union gave us employees so much that companies probably would of never been willing to give. I don't know about you but I want rights and my employer is not going to let me go just because they want to.
Billionaire Media moguls hate the idea that ordinary workers enjoy the fruits of their labour – they think that only the top bosses should benefit from the success of a company – and that’s why they smear unions in their newspapers and on their TV news channels. The truth is, though, that the unions defend workers’ rights from ruthless, exploitative companies who would happily put profits before workers health and safety if they were allowed to. With regard to the economy, when unions negotiate a better wage for their members, those workers pay tax on that extra income – if that extra money went into the bosses’ pockets, do you think they’d pay tax on it? Or do you think they’d channel it into an offshore bank account thus avoiding tax?
Unions set the standard of living. When union wages increase, so does the standard of living, which in turn increases wages in non union workplaces. Unions create higher health and safety standards for all workers. Without unions we wouldn't have the 40 hour work week (time and a half beyond 40 hours), pensions, benefits, etc. Unions have kept the middle class afloat. When union jobs decrease, so does the middle class. When the middle class prospers so does our economy. Therefore, unions ARE beneficial to the economy.
Unions create the opposite of "trickle down". Working people earn higher wages as a result of union negotiated contracts. Higher wages means that people can afford to go out and spend money on goods and services. That, in turn, provides an increased income for the people that make and provide those goods and services! Pretty simple, huh?
Trickle down only serves to put more money into the pockets of billionaires, so that they can stash it in their accounts in the Caymans (right Mitt?)
Size of the economy can be contracted due to the union's activity. We could build our economy if there wasn't union.
but we can't call it economy.
Economy exists for humanity. so the word 'beneficial to the economy' means 'beneficial to the humanity'.
However, without union, economy will punch the labors. it's no use to grow economy in this human-killing situation.
Union makes economy beneficial for us, so it is beneficial to the economy.
According to U.S. Census Bureau data, the middle class' share of aggregate income is now at its lowest point since 1967 (the first year of Census Bureau data collection). Similarly, the Union Membership Rate is now at its lowest point since the same year. In other words, as union membership rates decrease, middle class incomes shrink. I think we can all agree that a healthy middle class income is important to the economy. Unions help to guarantee that workers are paid FAIR wages, receive the training that helps them do their jobs WELL, and are CONSIDERED in the corporate decision-making process. This is what unions do. People who say otherwise are either in a position to exploit workers for their own benefit, or have been duped by those people who need the support of an ill-informed population. At this point in time, less than 12% of of the total U.S. workforce (private and public sector combined) is unionized, and this percentage will continue falling- hand in hand with the decline of the economy.
They were instrumental in helping develop a middle class in the 1900's and their power has subsided quite a bit, but unions help workers get higher wages, safe working environments, allows for overtime pay, and all other kinds of things that benefit workers. When the first unions were in place corporations still made huge amounts of profit so in my opinion Unions help workers get paid more for the fruits of their labors without taking a massive toll on businesses.
Because the fact that the unions lost their power meant that there weren't nearly as many union employees making much more money to spend then non-unionized employees so there was no-longer the same amount of spending going on as there was before and so certain companies could no-longer make a profit in the United States as a result.
Unions provide protection to employees in terms of benefits and wages, which, in turn, increases the likelihood of a robust economy. Since the 2008 recession, higher income individuals and corporations have tended to put excess cash into savings, rather than spend. Therefore, the economy has remained stagnant. If working people were guaranteed a living wage, then more money would flow through the economy. With companies, state and city governments involved in union-busting and wage reduction, the most likely spenders have been barely making enough money to provide for their basic needs. Thus, the economy continues to falter, while the rich stockpile their money.
Unions are beneficial to the economy because they ensure that workers are earning a fair living wage and are safe on the job. If it were not for unions, companies could give lower wages, which would repel skilled workers and attract unskilled workers. This could create a situation in which shoddy work is produced in exchange for lower production costs.
The middle-class worker is what keeps the economy going, not the occasional spending by the super rich. The health of the economy is usually determined by how much people are buying things in stores, and how many people are unemployed. The working class determines both, and a properly working union helps protect their rights and level of pay.
Unions are beneficial to the economy because of the trickle-down effect they have on workers' rights and opinions toward work. Unions assure that workers are treated fairly and have enough money to spend to support their families. By protecting workers' rights, unions help to promote a sense of trust between companies and makes people want to work and earn a decent living. By supporting workers, we support and improve our economy.
No one likes a strike and it's stressful for both sides with mixed results over the years. Although allowing employees to just fly loosely in the wind unprotected seems a far worse option, especially in this day and age of big corporations.
Yes,I totally agree that the Unions are beneficial to the economy. Unions are the group of people who looks into the matter what is beneficial to the economy and what is not beneficial. They looks into the welfare of an individual in micro level. They provide perspective how the particular issue is beneficial for the economy.
Unions are very important to our economy. Unions have been the backbone of our middle class allowing many non-college-educated people to receive higher standards of living. Many of our economic woes have resulted from union busting allowing companies to ship jobs over seas and cut wages. Lower incomes makes purchasing things harder, which means fewer goods are produced.
Historically, unions have always been there to ensure that conditions are optimal for employees. Because our nation is made up of mostly workers, this should then be of benefit to the entire economy and country. If our workers are making a living wage, then they are able to support their families, pay their taxes and contribute to the welfare of their communities and country. It is unions that stand in the way of big business and its tendency to abuse workers.
Unions protect the workers right to decent working conditions and decent salaries. Without unions, salaries are lower and working conditions are bad, creating negative conditions that are reflected at a broader level.
When laborer don't have good pay, they will have very limited purchase capacity and that will create negative conditions for the whole society.
Unhappy laborer also will show their social discontent and that may generate more negative conditions for the whole society. Unions defend those laborers rights and therefore, the people's rights for a better living.
Unions: An Absolute Necessity, or Thing of the Past?
In today’s day and age many people will agree that Unions have left a positive impact on the United States, but now many believe they are outdated and unnecessary. Some think they protect the working American and help the economy, while others believe that they extort money from businesses and hinder the economy. I however believe that they are essential to the everyday working man. Unions protect workers, stimulate the economy, and provide a level playing field for companies bidding on jobs.
These benefits then slowly become the norm for non unionized employers. Week-ends, 8 hour work days, maternity leave, sick leave and many other benefits, not to mention decent wages, all came from workers. Workers have limited power as individuals. Their power comes from collectively bargaining wages and working conditions. Collective agreements, enforceable through arbitration, hold employers to their promises.
Unions support higher wages, more secure jobs with benefits. As such, there's less stress regarding the fundamental expenses of life, more consumer confidence, more discretionary income and less reliance upon government social programs. A confident strong middle-class means a strong America. As strong (middle-class) majority of Americans prosper, the country as a whole prospers. Our current problem is that short-term profiteering by US corporations would rather contract overseas and/or pay only poverty level wages to workers to gain short-term revenue for themselves and their stock-holders ..Only at the cost of decreasing the middle-class by perpetuating a reliance upon a struggling underclass of working poor. While such a tactic may seem a prudent business tactic (for the short term) it only serves to undermine America in the long run. American companies need to invest in American workers for the good of us all instead of investing in special-interest groups via short-term bottom line business strategies. Unions are here to insure a level playing field for American workers, insisting upon long-term investments in a vital American work-force while maintaining a counteraction against the self-serving, avarice mind-set characteristic of special interest groups.
Without unionized labor, employers have an unfair level of control over work environments. It is the labor that does all the hard work, creating the goods and services that a company provides. Without the support of unions, the labor has no way of ensuring their working environment is safe and fair. Employers can only be concerned with maximizing profits and efficiency. This doesn't make them evil but simply smart, and no one should expect otherwise. The altruistic employer is the first to go out of business. But that means that another entity has to be responsible for ensuring employee safety and welfare, and that is the union. By collecting the efforts and influence of the individual workers into a single cohesive unit, unions counterbalance the influence and motivations of employers and create a viable, healthy workforce that also becomes the consumer base in our economy, and the healthier and happier they are, the more the economy prospers from their buying. If you need any more evidence of the value of unions, just look at times in history before unions had a foothold. You will see unsafe labor conditions and massive divides between the upper and lower classes in terms of income, and you will find absolutely no evidence that anything would be different today if unions ceased to exist.
Organized labor is no different than organized management by way of chambers of commerce and other industry groups. If one can exist, then so must the other. However reform is needed. First of all the process of filing and resolving violations of employee's right to organized needs to improve substantially. Corporations can block unionization far too easily, and employer violations are too difficult to report.
Unions are a vital part of the economy. The decline of unionization has coincided with massive loss of jobs, outsourcing, terrible trade agreements, stagnant wages, and results in government having to pick up the slack. Because of the exploitation of labor in America, taxpayers subsidize health care, housing and food for the workforce of industries raking in trillions in profit.
Does anyone realize that labor unions resulted in better paid and better workers around 1900? Eventually, the workers got so fed up with corporations that they protested. Also, for the longest-a-time, unions were powerful and the middle class was tough. Since the decline of organized labor, so has the middle class. I just noticed that...
Massive Public sector unions that give decent wages to a lot of people to rebuilt our national infrastructure is really what taxpayer money should be used for. Private businesses should be allowed to unionize, and if their work is specialized their wages/benefits could be greater, on a case by case basis. The point is if we disregard super powerful unions sapping money from tax payers, unions can still be seen as vehicles for infrastructure remodeling and millions of jobs for Americans: A new New Deal. Make it green why don't ya. Oh are Exxon Mobile's employees unionized? Oh Hell NO! Even in the private sector unions along with trade rules (regulations = good!) would help stabilize the economic inequality in America. Think of how much more the CEO's of these companies are making. There should be a progressive capital gains tax and a penalty associated with outsourcing American jobs. We also need consumer cohesion to stop supporting companies who put profit over people (and their employees)
American style capitalism doesn't take into account the fact that businesses, by nature, seek to gain maximum labour for minimum cost. This, combined with political corruption over many years, has led to a situation where the employer/employee relationship now favours the employer in what is supposed to be an equal balance.
Northern European nations (Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia) have a traditional emphasis on workers rights, low corruption, high minimum wages and strong union representation.
This fosters social and economic stability; both workers and businesses know where they stand, both receive fair treatment, and operate with a framework based on mutual cooperation and obligation. This only happens when business' inherent nature and tendency towards competitively advantageous exploitation is reined in by organised unions.
Northern European economies are holding up against the economic meltdown suffered by their southern counterparts.
Strong unions and strong economic output are not mutually exclusive.
Increases productivity through improving worker security. The wage pressure exerted by Unions will cause the employers to increase productivity and justify higher union wage. Union ensures fairness and equity within a workplace thus allowing disadvantaged groups to participate in the economy. Fairness reduces poverty, it opens doors of opportunity to everyone and allowing education for all.
I here Libertarians and Free market folks often claiming that is businesses were left alone without regulations, they would be able to be the most effective and profitable and not cowtow to blanket regulations that don't make sense. And when I respond by saying that those regulations are put in place to protect workers, their argument is that the folks on top will naturally take care of their employees without anyone forcing them to. That's BS. Without the bargaining power of Unions we would lose th 40 hour work week, th minimum wage, the even chil labor laws in a second. Businesses care about the bottom line period. When faced with the option to pay workers more or make more profit they will always chose the latter.
I work for a large corporation with a union presence. The supervisor had us climbing ladders, cleaning ballast lighting, and opening fans without proper safety equipment or measures. He said to do the work or get written up. We informed him this is not our job and we are here to assemble. We had to follow through with his orders. We got two hours into doing some deep cleaning that was unsafe until the union stewards caught wind of it. They fought the supervisor and told him that you are putting the workers safety at risk. Shortly after that his tone changed and the bureau of labor was investigating what we were doing. You may think unions are bad, but they protect the little guys who have no say in what they have to do. Think about that when your boss has you cleaning toilets.
Most big business is so greedy for profit that upper management will do all they can to keep employees in the dark to save on costs while treating the workforce without the dignity that is deserved. Most big business greatest asset are the workers which help to keep the economy going in turn providing income or turnover for all business.
Unions use to set standards in this country before the corporate class nearly eliminated them through anti-union laws and corporate media. It's a disgrace to think workers don't deserve better wages and benefits. Now many workers are getting paid so little that they need to depend on the state to supplement their income.
Corporations have their own lobbies in the two congressional houses to be able to get things they want, denial of raising of minimum wage, better tax deals for themselves, adjustments to laws on wages and benefits. They can and have spent millions to get what they want, workers have the right to be heard and have a body to support themselves against employers, who put their own profit margins above the the people who help make the money for them. A business's goal is to make money, and sometimes they will hurt their own lower level employees to get it.
Gross Domestic Product in the US is produced by a combination of consumption and investment. Consumption is the buying of goods and services. To invest is to save, economics, and to put money into assets, financial, with the expectation of appreciation, a positive return. In the US private consumption of goods and services made up the lion's share of GDP, investment made up a quite a small share. How do unions fit in? Unions represent represent the workers demands; fair pay, insurance, pension or 401K, medical leave, hours and overtime, vacation time, etc. Their service means that workers, consumers, have more money to spend on goods and services, increasing GDP. Opponents of unions argue that labor unions stifle innovation, give non union countries a competitive advantage, drain worker's money, and are inherently corrupt. The same arguments are made against new regulations and higher taxes and once examined are notoriously wrong.
Let's start at the far end of the Union wage spectrum. They support our health care system. Yes , Union workers tend to have better coverage and use the health care system more.. What happens when this sector stops being able to afford health care?
Now let's go to the middle of the spectrum... How main $50,000 vehicles can Walmart, K-mart, Target (and so on) employees afford? It's the Union job supported middle class that supports Auto, RV and Truck sales.
Now the near-end of the Spectrum. The housing market is supported by the Union Labor fueled Middle class... Again how many minimum wage earners own a $100,000 or up home?
Yes, I agree that there is a portion of White collar workers that make up the middle class also... But how and why are they there? Once Corporate greed successfully eliminates the front line "protected" Union faction and the unprotected non-union, blue collar, middle-wage earners, where do you think they will realize their next big bonus or dividend? With reductions of pay to the lower end of their own corporate structure... The rest of the middle class...
If I were in the latter group I wouldn't be supporting the demise of the first group...
I guess on the flip-side; Once toys, trucks and homes can't be afforded by the dead-and-gone middle class all those greedy corporations will fail, too. While the greedy corporate leaders float back to earth hanging from their golden parachutes, allowing them to not to worry about the little things like health care, housing and food.
Remember once the $30 an hour Union Electrician is reduced to $18 an hour, so will all others.
CEO and the board of director pay goes up every year by double digit rates and then they complain that labor costs are too high. Wall street doesn't care so long as the CEO can make the company more profitable for them. But cutting hours and reducing benefits hurts the little guy. Only a union can battle the board of directors and prevent abuse. When unions were big the country was great. I want to go back to those days.
First of all I would dare anyone who is not in a union today, to write out a letter detailing all of your grievances and bad working conditions. Then take that letter or Email if you like and send it to all your management and company CEO. Then let’s see how much they really care about you. I know for a fact that at least in a union you can vote (Democracy) for things that are important to you (Wage, Working Conditions, Growth within the company). Of course a company does not want you to be in a union, because now they are forced to hear what you have to say and come up with something that not only is good for them; but good for you as well. These days people like to say that they have rights; people think that, that’s going to stop a company from firing you whenever they want. Try to pay for a lawyer to fight for your “RIGHTS” when you get fired and let’s see how far you get. They’ll drag it out till your broke and that’s that. With a union, when a situation like that arises, you actually have representation and back up, so that you can fight the CORPORATIONS on their own grounds. Not to mention that they signed a contract with you.
As for the people’s complaints about unions, I noticed that it’s mostly about teachers. Well I don’t know if you know but the curriculum that teachers HAVE to teach is set by the Board Of Education; A government agency in charge of your child’s education. So if your child is not being pushed to learn more, it might be because of the BS standards that they place on the schools in the first place. If you don’t have enough money to send your kids to a better school, well why don’t you add that to the list of complaints and grievances, when you send the Email/Letter to your bosses and management. Let’s see how much they care (You’ll probably end up getting fired for writing the letter in company time).
If people make more money they tend to spend more money. Which in turn creates jobs. Without unions, corporations will lower wages to a minimum allowing no extra cash flow to purchase clothing, shoes, or even food. Corporations do not care about you or how you live. They are worried about #1, themselves. That does not create a good economy. If you eliminate unions you will lower the standard of living in this country. Unions create a higher standard of living by working toward a higher wage to allow extra spending, which in turn creates jobsand a middle class. I have a hard time seeing the negative in that. If I buy a couch, someone had to design, build, and sell that couch. If I buy a car someone had to design, build, and sell that car. If I buy a box of cereal someone had to make, box and sell that cereal. If everyone is reduced to minimum wage we won't be buying anything which means no one needs to design, build or sell these products we are purchasing now. If we allow corporations to take over everything with no governing,m they will do exactly that take over and reduce you to nothing. It is called corporate greed. And that is what is killing North America.
They help ensure that workers welfare is achieved, this is important if a nation wants a health economy and working class. It helps regulate working hours and conditions and helps lower the chance of a dictatorship of the multinational rich corporations. Unions are what took out child slavery from the 1st world countries.
Look at countries like Germany. Not only are many of their workers in unions, but the average wage there is much higher than the United States. According to American business logic, that means their companies have to be making less money. Yet if you look at their growth it has surpassed that of the United States. It did it faster and is still on the rise!
Equality and balance on the all the hierarchy of white-blue collar is section which must be pertained in the 21st century and furthermore to the forward world.
Comprehensive and diversified interpretation on what is economy and economic is to make this question as a quite philosophical one.
Guess the temporary and tentative effects on economy is possible to decline the overall gross net-worth of company or country but constantly and perennially for the mutual and reciprocal wealth on the both or all sides human beings belonged will be beneficiary.
As I look through the arguments on the "No" side, I'm struck by how many of them mirror the same complaints & arguments made against labor agreements from decades, or as much as a hundred years ago. Yet, the same arguments are used regardless of how many years of evidence to the contrary. Some things never change.
We have had a century where most large work places in North America have been unionized, and have reaped many benefits from the resulting organization. Employers get one group to negotiate with rather than thousands of individuals, and one agreement for all. The contracts control the employees more than it controls the workplace. The higher wages & better benefits brings a strong & stable workforce with lower turn over rates & less required training, better quality output & productivity, and safer work places with less time lost to injury. The single entity negotiations also allows for faster overall workplace change to keep up with industry. We have more money in circulation, and to have a strong economy we need better cash flow rather than money hoarded by the wealthy.
People keep trying to tie the erosion of our economy & society to Unions & wages. Fact is, Unions have had reasonably good wages for a century, and many unions have lost ground on wages for the past 20 years. So that isn't the problem. Other parts of the world have also had slave labour rates for centuries that no worker in America could compete with regardless if they are working for minimum wages. Look at history. We had many decades of solid growth for everyone. So what changed so drastically that it eroded the economy & hollowed out the manufacturing sector in less than 20 years? The answer is simple & in front of everyone's face. Free trade deals with 3rd world nations. The banks & investors have sold everyone out to benefit themselves, and destroyed a once great & functioning economy, and they are still trying to lipstick on the pig they have left behind for the masses. They get all of the cream & little is left for everyone else. Trade rules & union contracts used to protect american jobs, & american resources, and american rights. Trade rules kept industry leaders, investors, and banks from selling your jobs out from under you for extra cash in their pockets. Free trade changed that. People said what would happen to North America if they entered into such agreements. No one listened. People are now saying that without Unions, no one will have a collective voice, and the middle class & the masses will suffer greatly. Still, few are listening, & many are jumping on the bandwagon to run their only representation into the ground. I guess the old addage is correct. You get what you deserve.
The employer and employee make a contract that is equally beneficial to both. Unions don't take money away from the people they provide the base line for non-union also unions buy "made in the USA" products even though they are more expensive. also know business is forced to be union, a business can choose to go from union to non union.
We can bargain or beg. We can ask for handouts individually and compete against each other, or we can work together, decide what our priorities are and sit down with management and negotiate a contract that offers job security, improved wages and benefits, and safe working conditions. We can can some control over our lives or leave all of that control in the hands of others, others who do not necessarily have our interest in mind.
Unquestionably there was a time for the union, even perhaps the thugs who had to deal with management thugs. But it is time to re-engineer the relationship with a balance that is good for both parties and our ability to compete globally. The training by the unions has been outstanding and we can tie their expertise in with our technical and vocational colleges to great advantage. At the same time, industry can not longer be held hostage to unreasonable demands through strikes and slowdowns (which occur whether or not legal). This should not be an either or discussion but a "how to" make the relationship work forum.
The ONLY reason this keeps being brought up, is because the people at the top want blue collar workers to compete with sweat shop laborers in third world countries. Its why they Dumb down and Deskill the manufacturing processes, and bring in new technologies to replace workers which they feel are cutting too deeply into the pie (that will continue). This process will continue until all blue collar jobs are eliminated machines are more efficient they dont bitch they will work endlessly and carry no legal liabilities when they are broken. The problem here isn't that this new found "frugality" Doesn't make sense, its that is makes TOO MUCH SENSE... And all it takes to keep it in play are dry cut-throat elitists who subscribe to some vile form of materialistic darwinism where: "they who have are the only ones deserving to in the first place".
It wont matter to them that later on down the line The gap between the workers pay and their purchasing power, will have cut away a good chunk of their potential market share, they were just getting rid of "the unworthy heathen heretics" If workers strike out or rise up, the government will step in to gun them down and maintain order after all Corporations are more "important people" then the average joe the supreme court taught us that much.
So yeah we need to keep giving MORE benefits to Corporations so we can keep them here and keep their tyranny alive, we need to loose MORE rights to them because they are superior to Normal people who make them who they are....(convenient thing to forget isn't it?) WE need to make them take LESS responsibility when they make mistakes because while the want the benefits, rights and protections of being persons, they dont want the RESPONSIBILITIES that come with it AKA wall street meltdown? Anyone remember that?
If workers are given higher wages they have the ability to spend more on consumer goods. As a result, this would stimulate economic growth as the money would be going into the economy. Additionally, labor unions has induced workers to provide better benefits and working conditions to workers which gives an incentive to workers to continue to work at the existing place.
You are welcome, my union wage sets the bar for your non-union wage. Keep taking scraps if you want, I'll keep my union card. If you are wondering why wages have stagnated over the past 30 years, blame trickle down economics. When marginal rates are high for upper income brackets with more tax incentives geared toward increasing wages and benefits for workers, etc. The middle class grows stronger, purchasing power increases along with demand. This creates more jobs and more opportunities for people to start their own business.
In the 19th and early 20th century the workers of America had virtually no rights and were unable to improve their work conditions, salary, etc. With the arrival of unions, the state of the common laborer greatly improved. But today, with so many laws ensuring the rights of employees, unions are doing more harm than good. For example, many analysts believe that union's demand for so many raises and benefits for the auto industry workers has driven it into the ground, so they are no longer able to compete with other countries.
Unions are greedy & drive the price of everything through the roof! Teachers' unions make slaves of our children..Forcing them to take standardized test so teachers look like they're doing their jobs when what's really happening is our children learning NOTHING & teachers getting paid to not teach anything worthwhile! Then there are those who just don't know how to teach! I live in NYC, Buffalo, & this city has WICK'S LAW...Look it up, it's RIDICULOUS! Can't even start a skilled trade business like plumbing/electrical here. Our mayor & elected officials are Union Slaves that hold this city back from any progress being made! It costs more to do simple things here, like build or remodel a home, paint a fence, you name it because the city & its union fools monopolize everything! They charge fee after fee & force us to use union labor to hang a ceiling fan! Unions are a pay to play cartel that don't add any benefits to this society & should be done away with! They drive up prices & take jobs that someone who may not be college material could be well capable of doing! Try walking into Chevy & applying for a job...You CAN'T! They don't hire from the outside. Maybe 80 years ago they were useful, but now a days they serve no purpose but to hold sway over consumers, drive up prices, & inflate bosses pockets!
With approx 10% of the workforce in unions driving the price up for the 90% that are not... You do the math. Unions hurt the economy for the middle class, driving the price up for services. Why would you choose a union shop to do the work when you can hire a non-union shop to do the same qualified job for less?
Through collective bargaining, unions have gained excessive benefits and bloated salaries due to the fact that it's taxpayer money. Unions bargaining with politicians have a powerful tool to gain benefits for their members called donations. Politicians are swayed toward allowing union demands because their jobs depend on votes. Unions have the power to steer votes dependent on the actions of politicians accepting or declining increases in salaries or benefits. The money required to raise benefits and salaries is not coming out of their pockets, and they are easily swayed to accept union demands.
Unions have hurt our economy by forcing companies to pay wages and benefits that their members may like but are not competitive to competition. This means fewer overall jobs, lower profit margins for the companies, and more jobs leaving the country. One of the sad facts is that unions continue to exist in many industries because of gov't contracts that require the hiring of union labor.
When there is no connection between wage rate and performance this is the breeding ground for complacency. It is in our DNA to want to be rewarded for an increase in effort. This concept is taught at a very early age in our schools by rewarding kids with good grades for increased academic performance. Unions promote the exact opposite either overtly or covertly by setting a wage rate that they are guaranteed to receive with no connection to performance, which is very much like the pay schedule established in the former Soviet Union.
Unions really don't help the economy. They support big government and more regulations, which just ends up hurting legitimate businesses. Some of the bigger unions also seem like they are entitled to things that they really shouldn't be. Workers can look out for themselves in this day and age, and do not need unions to do it for them.
Higher demands put forth by unions push the companies back and back. The benefits of the retired continue to pile up. You should be responsible for your retirement as well. Paying so much, and we wonder why US made products cost more? Alabama has shown that unions aren't required.
Unions can greatly inflate prices of products because they demand higher wages and in turn cause the company to raise the prices of their consumer products. Even in the case of business to business products, it all leads back to average consumers in the end. The B2B companies still deal with other companies that provide products to consumers, and they will have to raise prices to stay afloat. In the end, consumers are hurt by unions, and only the greedy union members potentially benefit.
The artificially high wages that unions demand is a primary driver that forces companies to flee overseas where they can make a profit on their products and services. See GM, American Airlines, the city of Detroit, and Right to Work states versus Union states. Unions in America frequently partake in extortion, forcing their demands upon companies.
Unions have ruined America. They force cars to cost twice in labor over what they do in the rest of the world. Quality is not twice. It can be argued that quality of American cars is less. Unions force employees to pay dues while they have no choice on where to send the union political donation.
The higher costs associated with unionized positions drive more and more corporations to go offshore to stay competitive with foreign companies producing similar products. In Right To Work states there is a lesser percentage of outsourced positions as employee costs are not as excessive as the union ones with their pensions, etc.
Unions go on strike, and then the businesses can't make money and go out of business. So then the unionizers, and the business leaders, are out of a job. The unions not only get nothing out of this process, but they lose a job for themselves, the owner, and maybe even the business that factory or warehouse ships to. They are unnecessary and only hurt the economy
Union's have become the straw that has broke America's back. Their high wages and big pensions are unsustainable in a global economy. Which we have been in, for far too long. They are totally unwilling to give up anything to keep this Country competitive, let alone themselves. They will drown trying to hold on to what they think they deserve or what they think they are owed just out of selfishness. Look at the usefullness of the trade unions today in the aftermath of the recent devistating storms in the heart of the pridefull unions they turned away experienced workers because they were not "union workers"? How long has it taken them to restore power and have they? I don't know. (How long would it have taken for their customers, to regain power with wokers that didn't comply with union breaks, or union attitude?) Union workers are concistantly outshined outworked and outsourced. They do it to themselves, and blaim anyone but. They have obviously put all their eggs in one OBASKET.
When we lived in a time that the US drove the world economy and US goods were the mainstay of American people, unions could drive the price of goods to some extent. Now we live in a world where people want a burger for less than $5 and new clothes every season. By necessity, when costs go up, prices go up. Unions are causing the US to price itself out of being the primary source of consumer goods.
While I believe there was a time when unions were necessary, that time has passed. Unions did some great things for Workers safety and fair wages. Many of the trade unions (electricians, pipefitters, ironworkers, etc) are still necessary as they provide safe skilled workers to complete specific hazardous work. Many other unions (clerical workers, retail workers, teachers, government workers, etc) are just asking for money and benefits for jobs that could be done by unskilled workers.
If your job is a skilled trade, you have something to bargain with. If your job could be completed by a kid in highschool or recent graduate, you are draining the economy by asking for more compensation than your skillset provides. When the fastfood worker or walmart worker strikes asking for more money to complete a task that a monkey could be trained to do, the cost is passed on to the rest of us. These types of jobs were never designed to support a family, they were designed to provide spending money to highschool or college kids. If you have a family, you should be working towards a better job that can support your family, not making your employer pay for your chosen lifestyle.
You can look at our state and local goverments. All of them have been forced to conduct across the board budget cuts to keep paying into Union demand pensions that are unbearable financially. politicians in Lansing are already proposing to dissolve the city of Detroit because Unions have ran that city into fiscal ruin and disgrace. Union Leaders continuisly pad their own pockets at the expense of taxpayers and members. Luckily, in my town we ran the unions out.
unions destroyed north american economies buy demanding more money then the job was worth. i read a pro stance that said middle class incomes have dropped with declining memberships in unions. this doenst take into account that there arent the same numbers of jobs on the market that are unionized being that Detroit now makes half the cars they did 40 years ago. now most tedious jobs like garment making or electronic assemblies are outsourced to foreign markets at pennies on the dollar. mean while what is still made here is way more expensive and labeled as 'high quality" when really its the same shit china makes but an american is paid to do the work. hostess is a fine example of the negative effects of unions on economics. they bankrupt employers and bully politicians
1. Unions use intimidation and thuggery to control their members.
My daughter-in-law is a teacher in Wisconsin and her grade school is full of militant teachers who descended on the Capital to do damage when Governor Walker wanted them to pay a small portion of their retirement and healthcare. She could not, for fear of retaliation that she saw done to others, voice her opinion at the time because she was pregnant and didn't think some coworkers would be less thuggish to her if she said she favored the plan.
Business creates jobs, unions don't and yet the business and union members are at the mercy of extortionist dues and nonsensical rules and regulations controlling what the worker or business can do. For instance, the Hostess debacle created by the unions; the company oversees delivery of Wonder Bread & items like Twinkies, etc. The union demands they cannot be delivered to one location in the same truck so two trucks must make the delivery. Do you think for a moment this increases the cost of doing business and to the consumer?
The goings on with the port shutdowns with SEIU and AFL-CIO clown Trumka railing over the Hostess strike are huge reasons that unions don't serve anyone but themselves. They need to go.
There needs to be nationwide right to work opportunities without union thugs holding the worker and our economy hostage.
Firstly, I do agree with what many people said that there was a time when unions did quite a lot of good (helping to create child labor laws, etc...), but, most workers are protected now by law.
I am a Computer Scientist and one time I was doing some work for Pacific Bell in California. I crimped up and plugged in a network cable that went from the wall to my computer. When I ordered my phone and the union installer came over he was angry I plugged the network cable in. I asked why he was so upset? He started talking about how I wanted to starve his newborn baby and this nonsense. He said, the union charges Pacific Bell $390 to make that cable, plug it in, test the plug, etc... I said, but I made that cable myself, plugged it in, and it took me 5 minutes to do. I bill at $125/hr, even at $2.08/minute ($125/60), don't you think $10 to do that is better for Pacific Bell than to call you fo $390?
Then this buffoon said:
Let me get this right...you think I should loose my job and someone else should be able to take it just because they are willing to work for less money than I am?
I could not believe my ears.
A great example of how unions are harmful is Hostess. They recently went out of business because the bakers union made ourageous demands such as Twinkees and bread never being carried in the same truck. Their ultimatum ended up with well over 18000 unemployed. Unions were beneficial when they were first created, but things have changed. 60 years ago, my grandfather had a unionized job at a steel mill and was forced to go on strike occaisonally, hurting his family's income against his will. Governor Scott Walker fought unions in Winsconsin and has helped prove we're better off without them.
Unions had a place in history where they did support the worker, working conditions and wages. However today there are laws in place that provide these protections and support the conditions and benefits available to employees. Unions have become there own version of "big business". They often "require' membership and make employment difficult for those who choose not to pay dues and fall under the union umbrella. In some industries you cannot even gain employment without first becoming a union member Whatever have to democracy and freedom of choice? They have become too concerned with politics and push the views of the union officials onto the employees. They donate "funds" to the political party the Union bosses support. And when they cannot get their way they become the playground bully; for example the protests in Wisconsin where they shipped people in from across the border, they lied to employees about where they were on days protesting (doctors faking forms for sick leave) and they vandalised public property. Unions were important in the past but they have lost their way and no longer are existing for the good of the employee but almost as another political party for the country.
Union leaders take money from employees. Thats how they exist. Without union fees going into the pockets of union leaders the unions would not exist. Union leaders produce nothing. Union leaders make nothing. Union leaders leach money off of hard working Americans and give them false hopes. Union leaders support their opinions with loud volume instead of truth. Sometimes the truth about running a business can be hurtful to employees.
Union leaders are like a virus because they would rather kill their host- the business and employee- rather than comprimise for the sake of the employees. Sadly, the workers have subscibed to the unions methods and all three will die, just like when a virus claims its host. The virus kills that which is keeping it alive and the virus then dies too. I just hope the employees are prepared for this.
In todays business world it appears the unions are just parasite businesses really only there to gain a second income for the teamsters. The few times I have been in the union they have done nothing for me. Our wages and benefits were comparable to the non union shops and they did not have to pay union dues and when I did need their help in a harassment case they said they didn't help with stuff like. I personally have no use for a union.
Unions serve only to protect the wages and benefits of bad workers. When everyone makes the same pay regarless of how much they produce, they will produce the bare minimum. There is no incentive to do any more. Good workers who are able to produce more are beaten down and bad workers are propped up. Unions artificially raise the value of labor which raises the price of the products and services they provide and at some point becomes unsustainable. Market forces and the individual's own efforts should determine the value of labor. A good worker lets his work speak for him. They are worth more to an employer and are compensated more in order to retain their services. They produce more allowing the employer to lower costs and be more competitive. Competition drives the economy in a free market. If you don't believe unions are detrimental to the economy I urge you to visit Detroit.
A business lives or dies on its ability to react to market forces. When a business needs to refocus in order to better compete, if its work force is unionized, they will have to cut through miles of union red tape before they can make the change and will be behind. The union further hurts the business on the back end of this because, when the business needs to let go a bunch of it's staff in order to make up for their failure to compete, they are forced to make that decision not based upon who is the most valuable to their team, but based simply upon who has been around the longest. Unionized companies are not able to realize their full potential and, therefore, an economy that allows unions to exist will not, either.
Unions are always trying to get to a theoretical monopoly-like state. If they can control as much of the market as they can, they can charge whatever price for said good. But as we all know, monopolies are not good for the economy because consumers get shafted, and more production is not always encouraged. With competition, consumers are in the best position they can be in. They get a low price on goods and the best quality. Competition creates a natural filtering process for good businesses. One thing that really bugs me is the complaint about foreign made automobiles in the American markets. Were American manufacturers thinking they could control all the market forever? Business is cut throat these days, and only the strongest survive. We all got caught up in our fat pensions, bonuses, vacations, guaranteed raises, and everything else that is terribly inefficient in the business world. What did we expect to happen?
The free market economy is the best largely because of the competition firms have with each other to get to the profits in that market. This ensures the highest quality work for the best price and maximum efficiency is reached. Unions believe in taking care of their workers which is novel, but it always seems that the customer is forgotten or shoved off the list of priorities. The customer does not come first in the Union mindset, which is a shame. It is so much better to live in areas where it is good to be a customer.
Labor unions had a purpose during the industrial revolution and that was to promote fair working conditions. With the implementation of the Fair Labor Standards Act, unions no longer have a purpose other than promote higher wages. Higher wages are good for an individual but was a whole this creates inflation to our economy. This creates a disadvantage for organizations without unions because their products will have lower profit margins.
What do unions do for us? I would say that unions were set up for the right reasons back in the day, when work conditions and hours were unsatisfactory. They shouldn't be paid the same as a medical doctor for the work they do. These days they just seem to whine and whimper about having to pay some of their health benefits. I believe in a right to work state, if you work great, if not hit the road.
Union bosses continue to demand higher wages and better benefits, clinging to generous pension plans that aren't sustainable. Union bosses refuse to learn from thousands of private workers who have watched their pensions fail, or the example of Detroit, which is close to failing on its pension payments. Many government workers throughout Illinois could be left with little to retire on if government unions continue down the path they are on.
Once useful, Unions are now deadweight in the developed world because they are typically led by individuals with political activism as a main motivation rather than members' genuine interests or, even less likely, the reasonable interests of the employer on which their members rely for work. At local level, Union people can still do good in helping workers and their employers, at national level the lack of evolution is typified in the Union 'leaders'.
Sure in theory it sounds nice, having a union support the little guy. In truth, the increased wages means less employment overall, and protects the complacent union worker who is usually overpaid for what they're actually doing.
It's the selfish union mentality of "my wages, my benefits, my rights" that comes at the cost of everyone else, the ultimate end user or consumer included. The extra money for your wages has to come from somewhere, and it's usually everyone else whose paying for their own greed that's branded as "worker's rights."
For all this nonsense about supporting the middle to lower class worker, let's not forget that the taxes those same people pay go towards the few individuals part of this faulty system. Does it provide any real value to society? Not really. In fact, the reverse is true, with all the stifling of TRUE competition and what not. Capitalism is only ideal when it doesn't hurt us personally, right?
I worked at a union airline.....Half the people did no work the entire day.....And they wonder why these airlines go bankrupt. They promote based on senority not if you are qualified to do the job. Are you kidding me? I'm sure not going to pay union dues and only be a casual worker. UPS went on strike in the 90's and their workers got 50 dollars a week......What a shame.....Wonder where all the dues money went?
Unions, while the idea or having a unified work force may seem inviting, end up boosting wages, pensions, fees, etc. On employers to the point where the employer can either a.) no longer stay in business or b.) has to dump the union in order to get reasonably priced labor. However, this second option is typically hard to achieve as unions have control over positions of power in the government and in business.
Unions killed Detroit
They destroyed industry in the UK
Are currently destroying it in SK.
If you look at the history of business manufacturing, unions always take more yet eventually the businesses leave to places where they are not strangled by unions. They are the reason the U.S. Has outsourced manufacturing overseas (cheaper labour) and those with little education end up becoming Obama supporters.
As a fleet purchaser of vehicles in the U.S. Over a number of years. We find union built products, do not have consistent value. Due to inconsistent quality, it is very difficult to hit 250,000 miles of mostly trouble free motoring in a union built product, no matter the country of origin. In a non-union built vehicle we run a B20 life of 250,000 in minivans. A number no union plant built vehicles can meet. No matter manufacturer, or country of origin. We pay more for a non-union product. And we get more. Non-union manufactures and their works give us more, we reward them with our purchases.
As long as Unions are a fund raising arm for the DNC, some ran by the mob and no regard to the tax payer who pays public unions employees. They have no business being in existence.
All I hear from union workers is how evil their employers are and how they deserve more money because of profits. What if the company finds itself in the red? Will union works take pay cuts to help the company find its way back into the black? Nope they won't.
What about the public unions. Are we the tax payers evil because we don't want to pay more taxes to support your golden parachute pensions??
NO to Unions
You''ll notice they tend to always play the victim, the companies the big bad wolf, the evil empire, that's making money hand over fist and the poor union workers just want their fair share. Right now there are multiple union campaigns trying to drive the minimum wage to $15 an hour for fast food workers, another for airport and related workers and yet another for hospitality workers in various cities across the country .... What would be the likely result if they're successful? Much higher costs passed on to the consumer. Union pensions have been a heavy weight financially on cities across america, Detroit filing bankruptcy is due in part to union pensions. Didn't G.M. File for bankruptcy also? ..... High wages and union pensions where G.M. Was even providing viagra to retired workers, was certainly a part of the reason. Unions seem like a boa constrictor that wraps itself around it's prey and squeezes and keeps squeezing until it's dead. Why don't unions step up and help the american economy, by actually creating companies that provide jobs, besides their own internal ones, provided via union dues?
And as if I was reading this in today's newspaper:
"The artificially high wages forced on the economy by compulsory unionism imposed economic hardships on other groups—particularly on non-union workers and on unskilled labor, which was being squeezed gradually out of the market. Today’s widespread unemployment is the result of organized labor’s privileges and of allied measures, such as minimum wage laws. For years, the unions supported these measures and sundry welfare legislation, apparently in the belief that the costs would be paid by taxes imposed on the rich. The growth of inflation has shown that the major victim of government spending and of taxation is the middle class. Organized labor is part of the middle class—and the actual value of labor’s forced “social gains” is now being wiped out." - Ayn Rand
I know a simple trim union carpenter making $36 an hour with one of the best pensions and benefits packages I have ever seen. Shoot he even gets bonuses and over time makes well over $80k a year with all this added up. This is to swing doors for gods sake. Look at union wages. Now go look at non union wages. No wonder jobs are going over seas and our economy is where it is at. There is no reason these folks hard working or not should make twice what non union folks make doing the same job.
I would even be along the lines of saying if you can't beat them join them. Look into that and you will see it has nothing to do with how hard you work but who you know. It's like a organized crime out in the open.
Unions were once an important part of the economy, and the social system as they ensured that people were not abused by employees. But they are no longer necessary thanks to legislation, are rife with corruption and fat cats, and have made the west unsatisfactory for modern investment. Unions once protected the workers of the west from abusive employers, now the tables have turned and many companies no longer find it profitable to carry out business when they have to pay an auto worker 35 dollars to push a button on a robot. Still, the worst of all is public sector unions. Public sector workers do not bring any products to the GDP and when they become out of control and make outrageous demands, you get Detroit.
Higher wages mean more money circulating. Lets face it, the typical union labour person will spend more than they save, stimulating the economy. The problem starts when people from any walk of life, over extend themselves and live beyond their means. I believe with education, smarter social services and better handling of our natural resources unions can play a vital role in the economic health of Canada.
My experience comes from states where Unions are almost nonexistent even laughed at. I ended up in California where Unions are king and if you don't join and pay a start up fee of $80.00 and dues of 6.50 a week you can't work a part-time job at a grocery store. This is a problem because you start out at $8.10 an hour and get maybe 20-31.5 hours a week. If you do the number crunch you will make about $7.50 an hour after taxes and Union dues are taken out. I can understand if you are asked to be full time and want the benefits package of a 401K, health care, and retirement a Union might be great for those workers but to force Unions down the throats of part-time employees who are working sometimes 2 part-time jobs to pay the bills. When working in non-union states I was given the standard breaks and had a great job. If you are asked to join Management you can choose to join the Union. This choice helps make a better place to work because the union is not forced and those that choose not to join are not pressured.
Unions with their bloated salaries and pensions are driving communities into bankruptcy. The parasite is actually killing the host, as it did with the auto industry, steel industry, hostess and many others, not to mention the countless jobs it has driven out due to non-competitive wages. They're great for those in them but do substantive harm to everyone else and damage the economy as a whole.
Unions are not beneficial to the economy, because their demands for higher pay and greater benefits have driven industry out of the country. Surviving unions are bankrupting governments. In a capitalistic economy, wage must be market-driven. The unions are definitely anti-capitalistic. The unions are socialistic, and a detriment to capitalism.
Evidence lies in the cost of consumer goods, and the rise in overseas labor. We, by no means, need to "rip off" our labor force. But by the time a company pays the total cost for unionized labor, as opposed to an individual based on merit, the cost of production has been elevated and inflated beyond what is necessary.
Unions misuse their collective force to go on strikes etc in order to get several of their unreasonable demands met. Their demands for wage hikes can lead to inflation. This has a negative impact on a developed economy. We have seen several flight cancellations as a direct result of union strikes over the last couple of months. This is not beneficial for anyone.
Unions have crippled the auto industry by negotiating unrealistic salaries for its members. In addition, the retirement plans for autoworkers have resulted in an uncompetitive domestic car industry that is in financial ruin.
I frankly am getting sick of unions who will not give concessions no matter how bad the economy is. They march and picket about their rights, when the jobs they do are sometimes factory jobs that a monkey could do, or, ever increasingly, a robot. They demand better health benefits, higher wages, better cost of living increases, no matter how bad things are for everyone else. If they could make small concessions, a little math is very enlightening, give union autoworkers a dime pay cut per hour for a year, the savings amount would be staggering, but they want more. Police get the blue flu. I used to respect unions. Now they seem like a bunch of big babies whining about how much they deserve when others are struggling just to put food on the table.
Unions, when they were created, were vital. They brought American capitalism to the point it is at today. Now, they are an extra burden to companies. With all the equal pay and rights laws that unions have created, they have made themselves obsolete. Now, they promote laziness and have created many workers with bad ethics. I worked for a warehouse where the forklift drivers were union but the people auditing the incoming freight (me) were not. I couldn't audit the next truck until the first one was cleared. I was done, but no drivers were picking up the load. I went over to a couple of them just sitting around and asked them to pick it up and they said they would next hour, they had done all they were required to that hour. Unbelievable. Unions are a burden on not only businesses, but the economy as a whole.
The amount that most people now a days make the $3 they used to get, a joke. People are always complaining that the working conditions are terrible when in truth they should count themselves lucky to even have a job or a way to put food on the table. The economy isn't how it was back then in the 19th century. Lots of people are loosing their jobs not because its unfair but necessary to keep a company open. Unions are only focusing on the workers. What about the consumers? We have to pay more when they get higher wages. Also the more the business get for profit the bigger chance their going to hire more people. I get it if they want to live a better life but why do they have to make other people's worse? Also if they were so into getting workers to get better why are there so many things given to them that they don't really need?
What a fail. Higher wages lowers the incentive to build in America as the costs are too high. Why do you think Boeing moved?! They act as cartels and hurt our economy.... That's a FACT. "Many unions have won higher wages and better working conditions for their members. In doing so, however, they have reduced the number of jobs available in unionized companies. That second effect occurs because of the basic law of demand: if unions successfully raise the price of labor, employers will purchase less of it. Thus, unions are a major anticompetitive force in labor markets. Their gains come at the expense of consumers, nonunion workers, the jobless, taxpayers, and owners of corporations." http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/LaborUnions.html
As long as unions have all this power, they will not be beneficial to the economy. A union worker can be lazy as he or she wants and is almost impossible to fire. Second union bosses use union dues to line there own pockets and not try to persuade the company. Third unions have actually have hurt the economy in many areas like in Stockton and in San Bernardino.
Unions are supposedly put in place for the benefit of the workers. It, ironically, has the direct opposite effect, because of the frequent standstills of production that temporarily put them out of work. This, in turn, stops goods from being produced, which prevents the company from making money. The worker's pay has been reduced which, in turn, prevents them from contributing to the economy as a consumer. It creates a pattern of economic downturn to be repeated over and over.
We all owe a debt to what unions did for labor in this country several generations past. Today, we face the old historical truth that people tend to take things too far over successive generations. Unions once gave a voice to the cause of just compensations for a man's work; now they are often one (of the many) hindrances to our competitiveness in the world.
There is to much crime attributed to unions. There are too many fat cats within the union, attending every conference and workshop no matter how much it costs or how far they travel. Union members have to pay for that. Union dues are way too costly for the members even at half the cost. Unions protect a lot of lazy and non productive workers/members. This creates too much dissension in the ranks causing more lazy workers. I feel that unions waste at least 50 percent of our dues. I have been a union member for 40 years and have experienced this on a regular basis. Unions also drive the cost of doing business way up. People don't have to belong to a dues collecting union to be unionized. Just be organized. Unions have lost their way and purpose. Government must step in and investigate all unions.