I most have been living under a rock I am just hearing about this. This is the most stupidest thing I've heard in the past decade the oath is not only about religion its about justice and liberty and our nation that is slowly being dumped on because of stupid $%^ like this don't like the fact that in the oath it says "under god" take it out they only recently put that in, it used to not have "under god" in the pledge its been revised 4 times . You want the oath taken out then you cant complain because you feel like you are not getting the justice you believe you should have, cause you don't. If my sons school is the same way I will be pissed. Now i do understand putting "under god" might offend some but don't take out the WHOLE pledge just because some one 50+ years ago said we should put in "under god". my wife just told me that because of some atheist they no longer prayed before soccer games don't like it, don't participate go kick the ball around no one is forcing your dam kid to pray with them, well they better not be and from what some people say that kids don't even know what it means my grade school teacher had us do an easy on it among other things and if they don't you should teach them plus if your kid says something for years and doesn't know what he/she is saying then sorry your kid needs to go back a grade. If your kid doesn't do well in school we should say ohh whats the point in going then if he/she isn't paying attention, meaning ohh they don't know what it means lets not teach it at all raise an army of retards. I guess if you all like the fact that we take out the pledge then we should go ahead and deface all money while we are at it look on the back of a dollar bill and figure it out. Now with me saying that watch there going to do that. this nation is supposed to be great, then something retarded like this happens. Do away with christian music and TV shows because there an atheist that don't like it, hay there's alcoholics out there we should make that illegal also. some people say that the government is going to turn this country into a communist country but in fact its the people that are doing it to themselves. So the ones saying that we should eliminate the Pledge are communists and you have no honor or respect. Makes me sick to my stomach, how does that make you feel?? To those saying "that it takes away from god" THAT'S WHY YOU GO TO CHURCH!!! someone else mentioned "its like Hitler" WTF indivisible meaning not separated into parts and Justice meaning a concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, RELIGION, fairness, or equity. so in a why your using the oath to eliminate the oath, like a snake eating its own tale. This is what i mean by this is retarded and stupid.
when is everyone going to learn that you cant please everyone that we all have to compromise don't like it change it but don't take it out you might as well take a dump on the american flag while your at it.
If they take the Pledge of allegiance out of the classroom, it is just one more step this country, as a whole, is taking away from God. Our children, as CITIZENS of the United States, ought to pledge their allegiance to the country that they enjoy living in. And they ought to not try to remove the under God part out. Because if Americans remove themselves out from "under God" then in He will eventually take His hand of protection from us.
While some people feel it is an important matter of duty or patriotism for children to recite the Pledge of allegiance, I have other reasons: I think our culture needs shared texts and traditions that are part of our common language and heritage. In addition to building the fabric of culture, this also supports people as they lose short term memory. Many brain injured or elderly patients suffering dementia are able to share in reciting or singing things they memorized long ago.
Patriotism might seem old-fashioned, but respect for history and our country does not go out of style. We also need to remember our fighting men and women who are in harm's way. We add value to their service as we take time to remember what our country stands for and to "pledge allegiance" to it.
Saying the pledge of allegiance is extremely important. I am 16 and I have realized how stupid people have gotten over the years. I am part of the new generation and I will not stand for ignorance. Your country pledges itself every day. The fact that I can voice my opinion here. The fact that we have any of the cool technology's is because of the freedoms that many have died for. When people don't say the pledge they are ping on every American soldier that has died for this country. People do not know how lucky we really are. That we have the right to choice. I have been reading about other people arguing the opposite, and I just want to say, what does killing people in Iraq have to do with the pledge. The pledge honors those that have died and lived for this country. America is the best place on earth. It is the definition of freedom. democracy is only as good as we want it to be. I will grow up being a informed adult and I will fight against the evil that has started to grow within the united states. People say they have a problem with the words "under God" If you are a real patriot you will say those words with every ounce of pride. I do not believe in god yet I still say "under God." The words "under God" Were added to the pledge during the 1950's. It was ment to help stop the spread of communism, and communism is the exact opposite of America.
In 2010, America is a great, young country with tremendous upside. There is room to grow, a young population, and ample resources. What makes the country unique is that for 3,000 miles there is a common legal, economic, and cultural landscape. While this nation of immigrants has many ethnic backgrounds, after a generation most people consider themselves 'American' rather than anything else. The Pledge of Allegiance is a strangely important part of our identity. It conveys acceptance of everyone into a larger whole, a nation that is the last best hope for mankind. The US system has worked better than any other in history, asking children to pledge allegiance to it makes sense because it will nurture the seeds of love for the country and fellow citizens.
First of all, young children are being compelled to recite it even though they dont know what it means. This is like brainwashing, like communism, like proproganda. Also, The use of the word god in the pledge offends atheist and agnogists. It also causes problems for students who dont believe in god or in the christian religion. They dont want to use gods name in a false statement every day, but they feel the need to, as their fellow classmates do. They fear bullying or are bullied. This problem could easily be solved by removing the pledge from the daily schedules at schools. If parents want their kids to recite it at home, fine, so be it. That's their choice. But schools should not compel students to say it daily and feel like they have no choice in the matter. I mean, seriously, have them learn it once and need to write it for a test or something like that. That's what happens with most of the things students learn, so we should apply this principle to the pledge of alliance. and besides kids of that age should not be forced to pledge anything, espicially not to the country. That's like making them make a blind promise to do something that they dont even understand. And ask any second grader or even third and fourth graders (and even some older kids) what the pledge means and they will tell you that they dont know. They dont understand most of the words and they dont understand what they are pledging, it is just a regular part of their day. This is mind numbing. They never think about it. Some, like me, realize what is happening when they grow older, but most dont. Most people never even question it. And they laugh at people who have an issue with reciting the pledge, as in they dont believe in christianity, or having a single god, or any gods at all. Or they are foreign students and dont want to make a blind pledge to a country that is not their own. Or the people who know that they can still be true patriots and support their country without pledging themselves to a flag everyday. Therefore, we should withdraw the use of the pledge of alliance in schools. Again if parents want their children to recite it daily, have them do it at home, where it will only affect their family and no one will take offense at any part of it.
The people of the United States so easily forget about the great aspects of our country, and so easily fall into petty fighting with each other, that I believe children do need to recite the Pledge every day in grade school. Parents don't always pass on to their children those things that the parents consider "obvious". Because parents don't do a very good job of frequently showing or talking about the best parts of the U.S. to their children, children could easily fall through the cracks, and never have any sort of patriotism instilled in them. Therefore, the recitation of the Pledge is important for grade school students.
Saying the Pledge helps kids with love of their country. It gets them thinking about their allegiance to it, and it also helps them to feel more like part of it, even though they are just kids.
I am a third grade teacher and we do recite the Pledge of Allegiance each day. We also spend time throughout the year discussing what each part of it means. We are not just pledging allegiance to a flag, but also to our Republic (that's right, it's not a democracy). We also learn the preamble to the Constitution and sections of the Declaration of Independence. I believe it is important for our children to understand those founding documents of our nation, and we should begin introducing them to those great ideas early in their education.
We are Americans. Regardless of where we were born, if we are attending schools in the United States, we are Americans. And, as Americans, it should be that schools, meetings and other educational gatherings be required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance not only out of respect for those who have given their lives but for those who continue today to work for their freedom.
We are giving everything away to foreigners, even our own history and beliefs. There is no country in the word that would allow an American, or any other person to enter their country and change everything about them. I want to say Pledge of Allegiance, i want my children to say it because they are American. Every single american tradition that i was raised with and proud of is not acceptable today, i dont know what to tell my children that they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What am I?
If you are in AMERICA AND ARE AN AMERICAN you must recite the Pledge of Allegiance. They may seem like a few words, but those words represent patriotism and respect for our great nation. It was made by Americans for America and its people.The whole "under God" argument is ridiculous. If you are an atheist, it doesn't matter because it is a sign of respect for our country, NOT about your religious beliefs. The country was founded on Christian and other religious beliefs and that's why it says "one nation under God" . Again it is a SALUTATION AND A SIGN OF RESPECT AND LOVE FOR OUR COUNTRY. Religious beliefs does not give anyone the excuse of not reciting it. Some people say it's not mandatory, well you know what you should give respect, that is neglecting it. It is an American belief, one of the usual standards and expectations that we uphold. If it is taken away, the youth of America will grow up not having a sense of true love and respect. ( I am a 14 year old Conservative Latina girl and being my young age I know how the youth of America is because I'm part of it.) "I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all." Thirty one words in a thirty second period won't kill you. Just say it, it's not an oath, but it shows immense regard for the country. It's a sign of reverence and admiration. Like the wise Dr. Benjamin Carson said " We have got to get over this sensitivity." Thank you and I hope my opinion has showed why it is important to say the allegiance. May God bless America.
Yes, it does matter if it is eliminated. But, I don't believe it should be eliminated. People are saying that it is brainwashing our children. How? Because the Pledge is a symbol of trust, allegiance, and respect for our country? Just because it has Under God in it does not mean religion is forced upon the kids. Why should we change what was written to help what we have today? It is called AMERICA! This pledge steers children to want to make their country a better place. Because individualism is taking over our country were forgetting that! Yes, you may not believe in God, but the men who put sweat, tears, and blood into making this great nation did. Stop looking at the pledge as "its brainwashing our kids because of religion" and take a step back. It's about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It's about believing in something other than yourself. But most importantly, its saying, "ill stand by you brother/ sister of America" we can beat anything as long as we stand together.
The pledge is brainwashing. It would matter.
As far as the "under god" phrase goes; that phrase wasn't added in until some time after the original pledge was already made. Its not like getting rid of the pledge would close down churches or put duct tape on parents' mouths. The government doesn't have a responsibility to teach religion, that's the parent's choice.
If everyone is worried about kids not knowing what they are saying, then why don't YOU as parents, guardians, or advisers teach them! If you think they are being brainwashed teach them what the pledge means, and let them decide for themselves whether they want to say it or not.
When it comes down to it, it is the same robotic brainwash that Hitler used to take over Germany. It may not have as bad effects but it is the same process. We have this plegde burned into our skull so well we can repeat it in our sleep. But who actully understands the meaning? and also we don't say the orignal pledge. It was first written without any form of religon being a part of it but now WE have added "god" into the pledge. Somthing not everyone beilives.
When kids are being forced to recite the pledge they are not learning anything about it and why it was created in the first place. I think that instead of having to say the pledge everyday, kids should learn about what it means and how the pledge influences them. (if it does.)
The pledge, in my opinion, is a waste of time. No child in elementary school really understands what they are saying. It is just memorized and recited. When you are 9 years old, you have no idea, for example, how many people we have killed in Iraq or how many people have found anything but "liberty and justice" in this country. School, as already mentioned should be about educating the next generation. The level of patriotism one feels to their nation should be decided later in life, not through a pledge that feels suspiciously like brainwashing.
There is no hard proof that the Pledge of Allegiance teaches kids to be loyal to their country. Most students just recite it as a requirement by the school. If it were to be eliminated from schools, I do not think it would make much of an impact. Kids should learn loyalty towards their country, and learn about their country, through instruction in class.
No one ever tells the kids what the pledge means at that age, or what they are agreeing to. Many kids just stand up and fake the pledge, and in recent years it is optional to even say the pledge in class. The end result is that saying the Pledge of Allegiance every day is just a waste of precious time better served educating the children, which is the actual purpose of sending them to school. Public school is not about making children into devout patriots. It is supposed to teach them to the basics of reading, writing and so on.
Every time I see a group of kids reciting the pledge I am reminded of Hitler's youth. Beyond that forcing people to do something that they do not understand, and I am willing to bet that most children do not get the full meaning of the pledge, is never a good idea.
The recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance by grade school students, though a pleasant and patriotic event, is still an unnecessary one. I can recall reciting the Pledge as a child and it held no meaning for me. If you were to ask the average grade school student, "What is the point of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance?" most responses would be a look of confusion or a pre-programmed response without any meaning behind it. To eliminate the Pledge of Allegiance in grade school would have no real world effect, other than angering some old-school thinking parents.
Forcing our children to recite a line daily, without them actually understanding the meaning of the words is tantamount to brainwashing. America, land of the free, should be just that. We should have a free choice in how we choose to dedicate ourselves to this country, not have it forced down our throats, without being allowed to first comprehend and understand what it is we are being made to repeat daily, in ritualistic manner.
I think at that age, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Reciting the pledge of allegiance is out of routine, not because you really know what you're talking about. I do think it is important for them to know the pledge of allegiance, but I don't think it would really matter to much if the tradition was absent.
Kids do not comprehend the significance or meaning of it, and it is shallow and indoctrinating to force them to recite it daily. It also should not contain the words "Under God", because they were added in the 50s during the red scare. The original pledge was written by a preacher who intentionally left out any mention of God or religion. The pledge should be secular - those words have no place being there.
The pledge of Allegiance, however culturally important. is not necessary. Memorizing a line or 2 and reciting it every morining does not mean we are showing respect for anyone, nor does it increase our loyalty. I see the people around me faking it, rolling their eyes or just plain ignoring it. Many are encouraged to think "how dumb are the adults? making us do this kind of stuff?"
Unless schoolchildren recite the Pledge of Allegiance, feeling in their hearts the true meaning of it, the recitation is pretty much pointless. It is a tradition, which is good in some ways, but it has no purpose. I believe people should learn the Pledge, and maybe the countless morning repetitions in school is a way to teach it. Other than that, though, I doubt kids put any deep thought into what they are saying. It's like memorizing the spelling of words or some other mindless task.
When kids recite a couple of memorized sentences every day, they generally aren't thinking about the meaning of the words. Almost all American adults grew up reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every day, and some of us are very patriotic and some of us aren't, so obviously reciting the Pledge had no effect. I don't think it's useful or moral to force someone to say something they may or may not believe in.
So many words in our pledge are simply untrue, not even a reflection of what our country has transpired to become today, why have our children be puppet-on-a-string "patriots" brainwashed like all the adults out there? There is nothing even remotely "pro-American" in our pledge any more than the notion I'd be pro-self if I said I am the the best person in the world with no room for improvement. We are not indivisible, we are politically polarized, we are not a republic, we have become an empire which was highly against our founding fathers warnings, we do not have liberty and justice for all, only for some. We have people in prison for minor non-violent offenses like smoking pot then keep war criminals like Bush out of prison. Our kids need to be taught the truth, including about our horrific history of wars which cannot be sustained going forward, and the truth that war does not bring "peace and freedom." Enough already!
Reciting the pledge every day is pointless. To the students, its just another thing they memorize and repeat but with no meaning, when I was in middle school, I still didn't fully comprehend what the pledge meant. Its a form of brainwashing students and putting words into their mouths, and even if they did take away the pledge, the least they can do is make it optional for students to recite it or not. When the students recite the pledge, that's precious time they could be using to learn something new and vital that might actually benefit them in their future.