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  • Freedom is way more important the Equality

    Equality is an idea, a belief as equality cannot happen without freedom.
    For example everyone has to have freedom for true equality to happen.
    If everyone got an equal pay like a doctor and a janitor no one would work hard in their lives because it would be all equal or the same,no matter how hard they worked or studied.
    In some cases equality isn't good.
    Everyone has the right ti have the freedom to choose, like choose who you want to marry, to choose what path you want to take for yourself, we have the right yo choose who we are and what we want to be.

  • Equal protection under the law but not "normalizing" equality... Freedom is quintessentially human

    Without freedom, without choice... No ethics are possible. Justice may prevail by enforcing equality under law but not by forcing equality by law. One caveat to freedom in reference to a civilization or a "people", the people must be good in order to be free. An unethical people cannot be free in that freedom entails trust in people doing the right thing. Often police must get involved when that fails. I love the notion of freedom and have experienced it in my lifetime. I fear my children will not under Democrat rule. I don't feel free since Obama took office.

  • Freedom is natural. Equality is unnatural.

    When we are born we are inherently born free. Freedom is something that must be taken from us. When we are free we have the freedom to have the opportunity to reach our full potential. Equality is unnatural. People will naturally have unequal abilities. Every individual will still have important roles to play, but the roles are different and will require varying levels of ability. Equality tries to artificially change that due to the envy of some that their particular abilities aren't what they perceive to be "as good" as those of others.
    Freedom expands the pie for everyone, but it often does expand the pie for people at the top at a quicker rate than people further at the bottom (although it does expand for the bottom too, but not as fast). People who value equality more would rather make $50,000 and have the top make $75,000 rather than they make $100,000 and the top make $600,000. A lot of "equality" is really about envy. Freedom is about society reaching its max potential.

  • Tis better a man be rich, a man be poor and for both to be free then for two men to be enslaved and equal

    A lot of people on this site don't see the point, economic inequality is not a bad thing, people do not need money, I can be rich and depressed and the poor can be happy without wealth. It matters not how equal you are to another man, if you would rather be free. At the end of the day though, it varies from person to person, everyone should be FREE to prefer to be equal to someone else or free depending on which they deem more valuable, but to oppress the rich and the talented at the expense of the poor and inept is simply unethical, they owe nothing to the poor.

  • Tis better a man be rich, a man be poor and for both to be free then for two men to be enslaved and equal

    A lot of people on this site don't see the point, economic inequality is not a bad thing, people do not need money, I can be rich and depressed and the poor can be happy without wealth. It matters not how equal you are to another man, if you would rather be free. At the end of the day though, it varies from person to person, everyone should be FREE to prefer to be equal to someone else or free depending on which they deem more valuable, but to oppress the rich and the talented at the expense of the poor and inept is simply unethical, they owe nothing to the poor.

  • Equality is not good.

    Freedom is the gold standard which people have frequently longed to possess, but rarely have attained.
    Equality is not only impossible, but the attempt to grant it is demoralizing and harmful. In a free country, as was the United States for many decades, the freedom protected was accompanied by equal treatment under the law. These things guaranteed people would be treated fairly, and also guaranteed people would not be equal. I am not the equal to my orthopedic surgeon, nor am I the equal to my mail carrier. But all three of us would be treated equally under this original notion of freedom in America.

  • Fabricated equality is a false equality.

    Will Durant, the author of an eleven volume set on history called the Story of Civilization, stated that human civilization exist on a continuum between freedom and equality. The more of one we have the less of the other is available. It has also been said the there are only two primary political principles, that of freedom and that of slavery. While it is clear that some form of checks and balances are necessary to ensure that those who neglect the responsibilities of their freedom, namely, the respect for the freedom of others, it is also very clear that fabricated equality and slavery march in the same direction. Equality does not exist in nature, nor should we wish it to unless we prefer homogenization and control to true diversity.

  • Fabricated equality is a false equality.

    Will Durant, the author of an eleven volume set on history called the Story of Civilization, stated that human civilization exist on a continuum between freedom and equality. The more of one we have the less of the other is available. It has also been said the there are only two primary political principles, that of freedom and that of slavery. While it is clear that some form of checks and balances are necessary to ensure that those who neglect the responsibilities of their freedom, namely, the respect for the freedom of others, it is also very clear that fabricated equality and slavery march in the same direction. Equality does not exist in nature, nor should we wish it to unless we prefer homogenization and control to true diversity.

  • The only way to enforce equality is to use force...

    The greatest atrocities of human kind were committed under the guise of "making people equal" and propagating the myth of "freedom once equal" to generation after generation. Freedom is as beautiful and ugly as humanity is. We can be jealous, kind, loving, spiteful, hateful, generous, petty, considerate, brutal, lazy, industrious as we want to be. What we choose to do with our lives and our freedom is every bit as natural as consequences of choices. Where there is no choice, there is no morality. I'll sign up for freedom and it's consequences over contrived and forced "social equality" and the brutal, ugly means to contain the human innate desire to be free any day and twice on Tuesday.

  • The only way to enforce equality is to use force...

    The greatest atrocities of human kind were committed under the guise of "making people equal" and propagating the myth of "freedom once equal" to generation after generation. Freedom is as beautiful and ugly as humanity is. We can be jealous, kind, loving, spiteful, hateful, generous, petty, considerate, brutal, lazy, industrious as we want to be. What we choose to do with our lives and our freedom is every bit as natural as consequences of choices. Where there is no choice, there is no morality. I'll sign up for freedom and it's consequences over contrived and forced "social equality" and the brutal, ugly means to contain the human innate desire to be free any day and twice on Tuesday.

  • No, equality is more important.

    Freedom is an abstract concept and so we can say that everyone in our society is free, but what does that mean? It doesn't mean we have equal access to opportunity. If equality was the standard by which we judged our society then we could say that everyone has the same starting position to express their own freedom. People could rise to whatever level they wanted to obtain because their base needs would be met as well as everyone else's. It makes no sense to say that someone is free when they are shackled by constraints that others do not have. The notion of freedom when it is placed above that of equality is just an excuse to support the situation that some people have more than others. In other words, it is an excuse for inequality.

  • No, without equality freedom is not feasible for many.

    While some may prosper and benefit from freedom, the vast majority of individuals will not be able to benefit from the opportunities this freedom provides. Without equality, there is not freedom since an individual will be very limited due to economic or racist constraints. Freedom should only be attempted once society reaches a level of equality, only then is it sustainable.

  • Freedom for all will follow equality, not vice versa.

    Freedom to do as we please sounds good, but one must have restraint on that freedom. What good is freedom if it creates a world where 'there is always a bigger fish', and a hostile world where people do what they please, when they please, to get what they want? Rights are not gained or protected by freedom, but rather equality. I would say that equality means equal restriction/leeway on 'freedom' so that one cannot go overboard with it.

    One has the freedom to acquire a gun, but only after one passes a test for gun safety. Those who do not pass that test but have a gun can be legally charged- for not taking the test that was equally provided for everyone who filed to have a gun.

    Shooting a gun at people is also an example equality restricts freedom for rights. The shooter would have been exercising his/her freedom to shoot people, which in turn violates the peoples right to remain in safety. The shooter has violated a right that is distributed equally among citizens, which shows that he has no regard for equality whatsoever. Hence, he is arrested and put into jail. Not for violating a freedom, but for violating a right, which was supported by equality.

    Equality creates a fence in which people can move about freely. Although the fence might seem a little too enclosed at times, one must remember to stay within its boundaries or risk messing with other people's lives. Because I appreciate other people not messing with my rights, I will settle for the limited freedom, hence I will say that equality is more important than freedom.

  • Freedom without equality Is not freedom at all - Richard Allen

    How can people have freedom if they are struggling to feed their children forcing them to have multiple jobs and to work 50 hours per week (or even more)?
    How can people have freedom if they cannot have a good quality health care?
    How can people have freedom with a low quality public education system?

  • Equality is freedom

    If there is no equality there could be no freedom. How could there be freedom if people think racism exists? Racism is a delusion that people have and it is a man made concept and does not really exist and therefore should not exist and until it does not, there will be no real freedom.

  • No, Nope, Nah

    I'm right, you're wrong. Just accept it, that's all there is to say. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

  • Individual power versus Societal progress

    People, especially in America, tend to value freedom over equality. Part of it has to do with the idea of the power of the individual. If a person has the freedom to become rich and has enough individual man power, than that person can fulfill that dream. Americans like to believe anyone can do anything as long as they work hard enough, but that's not the reality of the situation. There is a chance we could become rich if we have the freedom to do so, but it is a very small chance. Not everyone has the same opportunities or circumstances. And there are plenty of hard lower-class workers that won't be able to become rich.
    For the most part, people stay in the class they were born in, even if there is the freedom to move up. There's a reason poverty hasn't been solved yet and that's because there's an endless cycle of it, not because the working class doesn't work hard enough.
    If we focus on equality than we focus less on the few individuals who "make it" in this world, and focus more on our progress as a society, and this is beneficial to everyone. However, this does not sound appealing to the majority because it conflicts with their own self-interests.

  • Equality, that's what the world needs.

    Without equal justice, freedom is pits. Without having a voice for every community, gender, what's freedom.
    Constitutionally it shall have no meaning, the word freedom. Freedom will not be absolute. Equality helps rise the voices unheard and the voices that need to exist in the real world. Not an abyss.

  • Not everyone gets to enjoy freedom.

    The problem is that poor people and eventually the middle class don't get to enjoy economic (and personnal) freedom as much as the higher classes do. If you don't provide the marginalized of society with the needs of human beings (nutrition, shelter, decent instruction and adequate healthcare) with the belief that economic liberty will compensate for it, you are heading towards a disease-ridden society. The plague that infests this society is none other than wealth and social inequality. This society will finally become a society in which the elites greedily hold on to their priveleges and the lower classes start trying to obtain a more equal status in society. To achieve this, violence is most probably going to be used. This is what led to the Jacobinist Republic in France and the rise of Marxism in Russia and in China. The correct way to prevent this is the New Deal programs after the Great Depression (of which growing social and wealth inequality in the "Roaring 20's was one of the main causes) and other programs of redistribution in Europe which limit inequality and help the poor meet both ends. This helps get rid if the vicious circle of povrety from which many people everywhere have tried to escape by working hard but ultumately failed. However, we need to keep liberty as one of the main principles under which we are governed. Promote personal freedom and to a certain degree economic freedom. He objective is to prevent being France (I'm French) and Greece in which wealthy people are discouraged to do business which creates huge wealth. The examples are Germany, he Nordic Countries and the UK.
    Conclusion: Equality and liberty (freedom) are as important along with the right to safety and private property.

  • Without equality, there is no freedom for those in society who suffer the most.

    In a society in which the marginalized don't get the basic needs of man (food, clothes, basic shelter, decent education and adequate healthcare), only the haves are really free. What is freedom of the press for the hungry? And yes, freedom is one of the basic principles of society, but all equality proceeds from freedom and all freedom proceeds from equality.


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