• Government is necessary

    Because without government and laws there would be people running up and down the streets killing each other. With no police officers enforcing the law or with out any laws at all, our country would be in total chaos and crisis. Also because of no taxes we wouldn't have the army so we wouldn't have any protection from an invasion.

  • Yes i think government is necessary.

    I think government is necessary because if we didn't have government then people would do anything they want. Say like if we have no laws then allot of people will be dead. And have no army then any country can just come in and take over. So thats why I think government is necessary. K. Marshall

  • Protection paying taxes laws

    For protection of warfare and if any countries try to attack us. Another thing is paying taxes so we can send our troops out there for help that we need. There are laws that people don't follow but us citizens must try to follow them. People are understood about the crisis that is going on with Obama with Russia and Syria about the war.

  • Just cause we dont agree, doesn't mean we dont need it.

    I believe that we need government. Government creates laws and are trained for the profession they are in. They help protect us from different nations coming to attack us. The citizens couldn't defend us or control what was happening. Laws also help show us our equal rights and without government there wouldn't be any laws so people would be able to run wild and our nation would fall apart. Just because we don't believe in every decision that is made, we need to realize that they are doing what they believe is best for us and our safety.
    Callista L.

  • Sometimes I hate it, but we need it.

    Even though I HATE many of the laws that government has enforced, without it the world would be an even worse place. People would be speeding while driving, causing more accidents. There would be a lot more drug use because people could do drugs right on the street or walking around town without a problem, maybe even selling hard drugs in stores to make them easier to get for other people. Without government, there would be no one to tell you what is wrong from right so everyone could make really bad decisions, there may even be more murders & kidnappings.

  • Government is crucial

    People would most likely come unhinged and if there were no laws, there would be way more violence. The world can't even act established now, and no government would be even worse. Wars brake out all of the time, and people would start killing each other. It would be brutal.

  • Human psychology makes a lack of government a horrible idea.

    Humans naturally wish to climb upwards in any sort of hierarchy. Any chance to simply kill or silence the person above them would naturally be too appealing to give up. Not to mention an ingrained hunger for power and loyalty. The only other animal with an IQ matching ours (the dolphin) go on killing sprees simply for fun.

  • Phil, Yes government

    Government Is needed. Are world with out government would be very bad. People Are use to the government. We face a kind of government at home and in the world. If there was no government the world would fall apart. Everyone would be fighting and killing each other. That is why we need government

  • Government is necessary

    Government is necessary. We as human beings are greedy, whether we believe it so or not. Without a government we would live in a state where, every person is to fend for themselves. We need order, and therefor we are able to keep this state where violence is not always necessary.

  • Human beings are always in a state of govenment

    People are in charge of themselves. Everyone has ownership of something, which puts together responsibility, which puts together self government. Sure you can't be in charge of everything like the political government is, but you are in charge of you're items in which you carry. Thus causing self ownership and government

  • We don't know what life would be like.

    Everybody says that it would be crazy and chaotic without government. Maybe they are right, but we do not know that for sure. We have not always had a government since the beginning. Man created it. So why not at least try for a non-governed country. If other countries can then why couldn't we? We don't know what it would be like. That is a fact, but I don't think that we should just assume it would be terrible. I believe that humans would be able to keep a stable environment without being governed.

  • Laws in a Stateless Society

    Government and the Initiation of Force

    Government is predicated upon the initiation of force. For example, if you were to stop paying your taxes, you would get a letter from the IRS saying you owe such and such amount. They would keep sending you these letters for a while, but eventually they would send a group of men with badges and guns to throw you in a cage for not giving this institution YOUR money.

    Laws in a Stateless Society

    Courts are often crowded because of overcriminalization (prosecuting individuals for victimless crimes) and there is no price associated with criminal cases. Cases often get plea bargained because prosecutors have an incentive to have high conviction rates, not to serve their clients since they are paid by the state. This often means that crimes that are easier to prosecute get more attention.

    Also you have the current problem where people sue each other willy nilly. This problem could be solved by simply requiring the person who brings suit to pay for the defendant's legal expenses if the defendant is proven innocent of any wrongdoing.

    Also the victim of a crime in our current system gets screwed twice. Once by the offender who perpetrated the crime, then again by the state, which confiscates his wealth in order to pay for the prosecution and housing of the criminal. Historically private law was centered around compensating the victim financially.

    In absence of a state professional judges would emerge that would make decisions based on a commonly established practices which could be codified into a law book. This would be analogous to how dictionaries codify definitions for words, you don’t need a central body to come up with new words and definitions, language emerges spontaneously. So too, law would be established in this way and in fact this is what English common law is based on, communal law that was established and accepted by the community. Similarly customs would emerge for the amount of times you can appeal, based on the crime committed.

    Private law would solve many of the above problems listed. It would eliminate overcriminalization (it would be unlikely that someone would bring suit against someone for using drugs), it would focus on restitution and lawyers would be working for the victims instead of simply working for a high conviction rate.

    For more on this read:

  • Somalia Doing Better Without a State

    Actually Somalia is Doing Better without a state (see this article: http://mises.Org/daily/5418/Anarchy-in-Somalia)

    Life expectancy, adult literacy, death rate and GDP per capita has increased in the absence of a state.

    When we compare a stateless society to a society with a state we need to compare apples to apples, ie Somalia with a state vs. Somalia without a state or countries similar to Somalia. It wouldn't make sense to compare Somalia with the US because Somalia is a “developing nation” and wouldn't have a standard of living comparable to the US even if it had a state.

  • Police in a Stateless Society

    Police in a Stateless Society

    It is an illusion that police keep us safe in our current society. They are typically not proactive and usually respond after a crime has already taken place. Also if the police were so good at their jobs why do businesses find it necessary to hire security guards, buy security systems, cameras, alarm systems, safes, and complex locks. Why are their private investigators, forensic labs, etc?

    The reason these things exist is precisely because police don’t actually deter crime. In fact they have no incentive too. Instead of relying on consumers to demonstrate demand for security services, police are forced on the public and often, since they have a monopoly on the use of force are often abusive towards their “customers” instead of serving and protecting them. If a police officer assaults an individual people automatically assume that the officer is justified and there is no recourse for the victim. If an alarm service company sent out one of its officers to your home and he assaulted you, you would likely stop patronizing that company, sue the company as well as the individual, and write a nasty review of the company on Angie’s list. Unfortunately you can’t stop patronizing your local police station if one of its officers assaults you, you will usually be assumed to be in the wrong unless you record the incident and you will usually be the one who gets into trouble.

    In the absence of a state security firms, alarm companies, private investigators, and private forensic labs would proliferate and provide the services that police currently do, only much cheaper and much better.

    For more on this read:


    Consider the article above: 80% of high school graduates in New York City coming into community college failed the entry test and had to relearn basic skills. The reason our education system is so poor is precisely because the government does such a poor job educating children.

    The schools that perform poorly are rewarded with more money (this is reminiscent of the wall street bailouts). This practice creates moral hazard. If education was privatized the schools would have to compete for parent’s dollars. The schools that receive the most patronage are those that would provided the best education for the cheapest price and competition would drive prices down and education quality up. Also if you care about the poor being educated wouldn’t you voluntarily donate to schools that educate the poor? If not, then you are a hypocrite, if so then there is no need for government to be involved in education anyway.


    I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here so this is just a brief expose on why we don’t need government. For more on how we can have order in absence of a state see my links above as well as below.

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  • Government is only necessary for those who will not self govern

    We've been convinced that government is necessary for our entire lives, mainly by governments. In fact, governments cause more problems than they prevent. Prior to a UN requirement that Somalia have a formal government, Somalia was a nation without leadership. Things were peaceful there. With the UN requirement that a government be instituted came the power hungry. That's just a single case.

  • Government is inherently immoral

    Why are supermarkets orderly? Are there police officers negotiating the traffic? No. People voluntarily create implicit rules among themselves because it's beneficial to do so. No government is needed. Government is the most violent institution that has ever existed. Millions killed by government in the past century. Look at the US in the middle east having killed over 100K in the past decade alone. Government is a monopoly on socially sanctioned violence in a given geographic area. It is not needed and it is mostly harmful and a complete disgrace.

  • Was slavery necessary?

    It's immaterial whether it's necessary or not. It's immoral and must therefor be abolished. The same issue surrounded the abolishment of slavery - which had existed for thousands of years beforehand (and still does in many places). People screamed and complained, that the sky would fall, the economy would collapse without slavery. Yet, no such thing happened. Government is the same. It is based on and funded by the immoral involuntary expropriation of funds by an occupying force of armed men. Taxation is only enforceable at the point of a gun, and is therefor theft. Moreover, many of the stolen funds are used for nefarious ends such as the development, production AND USE (!!!) of nuclear weapons, something unlikely to have occured without the wealth extractive power of the centralised state. Wake up - it's the kings and queens living in pomp and funding their armies - just as in the old days

  • I dont see the need for it

    Look what the government has done so far they have raised taxes sent troops to a war that we have been fighting for what? An assumption. I believe a government-less society would be a more civil and relaxed and we would live by the free will that god put us on thus earth for.

  • Government is never a requirement

    I'm talking terms of survival. When I say government, I say state (not self government). Under these terms, government is NOT necessary. This is why: do animals need a central government to survive? No. Do plants need a centralized Government to survive? No. Any instance to claim rules of society is NOT government, it is morality and societal norms. Government causes famine, death, unjustified hatred, blind politics, greed, and hunger. We know this because of history. What do we know about the absence of government? Nothing. Because we've never tried it long enough to see how it works. Don't assume it's bad because you don't know about it.

  • Society can deal with it's problems without a government.

    Society could live without a government. We don't need government plow trucks to plow a road, we don't need government controlled health-care. Say there is a society without a government, and a crazed lunatic kills a few people. Then the community will put them down. Say the society has no roads, then they will make their own. Say there are no hospitals, then someone with medical experience will treat people. If there was no government currency, people would barter with others with things the others might want. Besides, all the essentials of a household are all controlled by non-government companies. Electricity is not controlled by the government. Food, water, housing, television, clothes, and medicine are all made by private companies. Society has lived without government many times before and still can.

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Quan says2013-06-18T16:36:49.263
Limited government is necessary.