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Is Iraq better off now than it was under Saddam Hussein?

  • The current challenges don't vindicate Hussein.

    Saying that Iraq was secular, had religious freedom, universal healthcare and was Al Qaeda free under Hussein is preposterous.

    Secularism and religious freedom is rather undermined when the governing regime commits ethnic cleansing and favours certain groups over others. "favours over others" in this case included execution, torture, unfair trials and forced displacement.

    It also undermines universal healthcare. What good is healthcare to dissidents, political opposition, religious minorities critical of the regime and ethnic groups deemed sub-human? They were all denied healthcare, along with their other basic rights. This was not an insignificant number of people.

    The power vacuum that brought fundamentalist groups into post-war Iraq is a cynical point for the anti-war movement to raise. Once the war started, a line was crossed and the coalition at least had to finish what it started. Anti-war groups ignored this. They pressured every coalition government to pull more troops out of the country, earlier and earlier. This was essentially abandoning the Iraqi people and the new democratic government. You are not entitled to complain about a power vacuum if you campaigned to cause it.

    This point is also undermined by the fact that a number of terrorists actually did hide in Iraq under Hussein, others were financed by him. That one specific group, Al Qaeda, was not among them is only relevant to people who are only interested in their own country (usually the US). There were terrorists in Baath Iraq, and if they weren't the ones that the average citizen was worried about (or even knew about) then that citizen was ignorant, not right.

    Iraq was a human rights disaster, and it's former warlord president had every intention of deliberately keeping it that way. Any similar circumstances in Iraq today take place against a backdrop of a shaky but defiant federal democracy that will as best it can prevent them.

    If I can deliberately answer a slightly different question "Will Iraq be better off than it was under Saddam?" I think yes. Had he not been removed from power a miserable Iraq would persist today with no end in sight and the body count would be mounting up and would eventually reach the same sort of levels that came about as a result of the war. As it stands, at least Iraq today has a constitution and democratic government to show for it. There will be different challenges for that government. But who cannot be more optimistic about that government than they can for Hussein? Being so for the sake of abstract pseudo intellectual armchair punditry about "influence in the region" and "stability" is dishonest and betrays a selfishness towards the interests of one's own country instead of the Iraqi people. I'm sure Iraq's future is going to be tough and many people probably are miserable, but at least the country has an opportunity to progress. That was never going to happen otherwise.

  • It's getting there

    I think that Iraq is better off now than it was under Saddam Hussein. It is not all that much better, but it is getting better. Only time will tell if the Iraqi people will be better off without Saddam Hussein. It is still too ealry to really tell if they are better off now.

  • Better off now.

    Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator who fed money and guns to people in order to oppress and torture his country. I think that, while maybe Saddam is not the worst dictator to ever exist, and Iraq is still embroiled in war, they are better off now than they were.

  • Saddam was head disciplinary master..

    He removed noisy students and kept the rest of the class in check. Now, the US, with their Creative thinking is turning the school yard into a huge playground. It's like parenting, sometimes we spare the rod and spoit the child. Who in their lives, growing up, had not been disciplined before? The difference now, is that you have so many agencies telling you not to do this or that, have patience, etc. I have children, I don't hit them, that's because my work allows me majority of the time to be spare, so that I can patiently explain to them what's right and wrong. But can you say the same for parents working to make ends meet? Normally they go for shortcuts.

  • From bad to worse

    I never believed the bullshit regarding WOMD, but neither did I belive that Saddam Hussein was nothing more than a evil shit.
    If only we had gone in removed him got the infrastructure up,and running and left the running of the country to the people of Iraq, but deep down I think that would have still led to more trouble between various parties, so now the only conclusion I can draw out of this mess is that we should never have gone in there in the first place.
    I agree with the people who say that SH was evil dictator, if we had left after removing him and there would have been a vote for a new leader i still think it would have gone the way it has.
    When you think of all those that have died and the ongoing mess in Iraq and the Middle East, it's my belief that Iraq is worse off now than before, we went in removed him then we thought " what happens now"
    What a mess, mind you Bush, Blair Cheney and a lot of others made a lot of money from all this mess

  • I served in Iraq dec 2005 to dec 2006

    I spoke with many Iraqi Interpreters and was a ground trooper. Speaking with many Iraqis, the majority said that Iraq became A warzone that could not be easily fixed. Saddam Hussein kept somewhat order within his own country, yes his children were bad and Hussein wasnt the best leader but Saddam Hussein was growing the military and education of his country.

    America literally destroyed Iraq. We killed 1.5 million Iraqis to kill a leader who killed around 25 thousand Kurds, and 60 thousand Shi'ites. But this was the Iraq war in the north and the south.

    America came in destroyes the Iraqi water system which killed 500 thousand children.

    After the government of Saddam Hussein, ruthless gangs kill, steal and rape Iraqis, there is no national defense. The IA Iraqi Army is non-existent, The Iraqi Police is a shamble corrupt group of people who doesnt help as much as they collect.

    A lot of people in Iraq were just Farmers, but a lot of people left the country because after America destabilized the Iraq/Iran powers, Iran is also infiltrating Iraq.

    Iran will take over Iraq soon. Meaning even more people will die.

  • ISIS Says: Thank you America!! Couldn't have done it without you!

    Saddam was an Evil man - as were his sons. But Iraq today is FUBAR!

    For a mostly Muslim country, Iraq was one of the most westernized. Women wore regular clothes - no burqa required. They went to school, and work - without a male escort. Shiites, Sunnis and Christians lived, worked and worshipped next to one another - without killing each other. Oh yeah - there was not a single Suicide Bombing in Iraq before our Invasion and Occupation.

    If the rest of the world was really so concerned with the fate of the Iraqi people, then the International community should have come up with a REAL PLAN to put Saddam in check or bolster the Iraqi people so that they could take control of their country and oust Saddam.

    Instead, we punished the Iraqi people with sanctions for a decade followed by the War of Lies. Iraq is now a living hell for EVERYONE! Suicide Bombings on a Daily Basis (Republicans call this Success). Close to a million Iraqi people killed directly or indirectly. Guess we were competing with Saddam on body count.

    And the CIA's newest Boogeyman creation ISIS is thriving thanks to US Taxpayers and our good friends the Head Chopping Saudi's. (Weapons, Funding and Training).

    But not to worry - we are working hard on turning Syria, Iran, Libya, Yemen and Ukraine among others into their own living Hell! Spread the wealth right?

    One thing is Guaranteed: If the American government is involved - Death and Destruction are sure to follow!

    From an American Christian to the rest of the world: I am sorry! Please remember that not all of us support the Narcissistic Nuts and their plan to Conquer the World.

  • ISIS says: Thank You America - couldn't have done it without you!!

    Saddam was an Evil man - as were his sons. But Iraq today is FUBAR!

    For a mostly Muslim country, Iraq was one of the most westernized. Women wore regular clothes - no burqa required. They went to school, and work - without a male escort. Shiites, Sunnis and Christians lived, worked and worshipped next to one another - without killing each other. Oh yeah - there was not a single Suicide Bombing in Iraq before our Invasion and Occupation.

    If the rest of the world was really so concerned with the fate of the Iraqi people, then the International community should have come up with a REAL PLAN to put Saddam in check or bolster the Iraqi people so that they could take control of their country and oust Saddam.

    Instead, we punished the Iraqi people with sanctions for a decade followed by the War of Lies. Iraq is now a living hell for EVERYONE! Suicide Bombings on a Daily Basis (Republicans call this Success). Close to a million Iraqi people killed directly or indirectly. Guess we were competing with Saddam on body count.

    And the CIA's newest Boogeyman creation ISIS is thriving thanks to US Taxpayers and our good friends the Head Chopping Saudi's. (Weapons, Funding and Training).

    But not to worry - we are working hard on turning Syria, Iran, Libya, Yemen and Ukraine among others into their own living Hell! Spread the wealth right?

    One thing is Guaranteed: If the American government is involved - Death and Destruction are sure to follow!

    From an American Christian to the rest of the world: I am sorry! Please remember that not all of us support the Narcissistic Nuts and their plan to Conquer the World.

  • Terrible under Saddam, but even worse now.

    Yes yes, Iraq under the Saddam Regime was terrible. The people were tortured by their government, many were deported, mass murder, similar to North Korea.

    However, the government was secular and more religious freedom. There were few conflicts between the Sunnis and Shiites.

    There was universal health care and universal education. Everybody had a fair shot to educate themselves. No one starved to death either.

    Also, the reason why Al Qaeda is in Iraq now is because Saddam is gone. He opposed their actions and would have shut them down. Now that he's gone, many radical militia groups were able to take control of Iraq, including ISIS.

  • US "killed" Iraq.

    Wake up, the problem is not about who is the leader, is that US has killed Iraqis sense of "self", to then, Iraqe is dead, thats why their military won't fight for their country, its every man for themselves now, there is no hardware can fill up that void in there hard, back in the old time, at least ISIS won't get to do what they are doing now in Iraq...

  • There was no valid reason for us to go there and we totally misunderstood the realities of the country and the region.

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
    It was evident shortly before we attacked that Sadam was bluffing and had no WMDs.
    That region has been under sectarian struggle for centuries and we either overlooked it or did not understand what it would take to give the country stability.
    Democracy only works when the people understand it and are committed to it, clearly not the case in Iraq with so much internal struggle and infighting.
    All we did is help the country break apart and make the life of their people more miserable, since now they have to be afraid of many crazy extremists coming into power instead of just one.

  • No, probably not.

    From everything I can tell, the country was a place of hellish behaviors under Saddam Hussein, but it is still like that now. It is a bombed out place where all sorts of discrimination still happens and where terrorists prevail. And now it is made worse by the threat of bombings and bombed out facilities.

  • Only the names of the leaders has changed.

    From a human rights standpoint, Iraq is probably the same as it was under Saddam Hussein, still horribly abusive. From an infrastructure standpoint, they're probably worse off today than they were back then. It will take decades for Iraq to recover from the war started under false pretenses by George W. Bush.


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