People keep saying that Teachers are upset because they're losing money or sick days or whatever and that they are just greedy. The teachers AGREED to a wage freeze the issue that they are protesting is the government introducing LAW to take away their right to negotiate their contract. I understand that they have a good contract and they should, they are some of the most valuable members of our society who have direct impact on the future generations, but even if it's the best contract in the world they should still have the right to negotiate that contract and should not be subjected to rules unilaterally imposed on them by their employer, regardless if that employer is the government or not!
Teachers are some of the hardest working people in any profession under some of the most difficult conditions. They have every right to strike if it will improve their working conditions and pay. Otherwise we end up with dissatisfied teachers, and a high turnover among teachers. The children will ultimately suffer if teachers are not respected and treated justly.
I believe that it is ok for teachers to go on strike because being a teacher is a highly respected occupation since they educate people of every stage. If the resources they are supplied with are not enough to continue their job, they have a right to revolt and go on strike until their needs are met.
Teachers should have as a final option the right to strike. When all other methods have failed to remedy a situation, address grievances and bring about change, a strike does get results. Most teachers, along with most other workers, would prefer not to take this route and could be trusted to use it as a court of last resort. It is a dangerous precedent to deprive any group this method; too many people fought and died for this right to let it drift away!
There are so many problems in our schools today with drugs, etc. In the past giving "swats" (paddling) was seen as okay in America but now in our schools it is not allowed unless the parents say it is okay. I do not believe in a teacher striking a student with their hand opened or fisted. It should be done in front of someone else and only a couple of swats. If a child has done something bad enough to require more than this then it should be up to the parents.
Going on strike should be a desperate and final resort in negotiations between employers and unions. Teachers have a special responsibility to the students they teach, and therefore should not go on strike unless all other means of negotiations have failed. I believe there is a large enough pool of substitute teachers to handle this in a county or school district for a short time. State or Nation wide strikes could be devastating however.
It is acceptable for teachers to strike in order to exert their rights to fair compensation and benefits. A teachers job is not critical to public health and safety and no one will suffer needlessly because of a teachers strike. While it may not set with a local community when teachers strike, they are afforded the same rights as any other person attempting to make a living.
I feel that teachers should be allowed to fight for what they want and deserve. While it is important that are children are being taught. No one should be choke-holed into putting up with a bad administration. Since there is a teachers union in many places teachers now have a voice and don't have to stand for unfair practices towards them. I really feel that we should support the teachers more since they are sculpting are children.
It's ok for teachers to go on strike because that right should not be denied to anyone. I think that they have a responsibility to try to avoid it, but to deny anyone that opportunity just leaves them vulnerable to other tactics. School is important, but so are teachers' rights.
Teachers although they may need to take action to improve conditions and pay scales should not strike. There are other forms of protest that would impact their students and parents to a lesser degree while still being effective. An example would be to refuse to fulfill their many administrative responsibilities, or recruiting the support of students and parents.
Yes I believe teachers should have the right to strike if their benefits are been reduce or are been abuse at work or making less money year after year without a cost of living raise. After all, we all seem to pay more taxes every year and that is where their money comes from, and the government is just another employer, nothing special, so who is keeping that 3% I pay more in taxes every year?
Democracy is the reason that teachers should strike! How can we as Canadians allow for a government to take away the constitutional right of a group of people to negotiate their agreement? What a waste for all those before us that fought for this right and made collective bargaining what it is today! The right to strike is also legal - it's a RIGHT. Why would we take this away. The fact of the matter is that teachers are a means to take the heat off the Liberal government in answering important questions about gas plants, lost pages, and other screw ups. People who speak of wages and sick days are falling into the great trap to rid our world of UNIONS. Unions allow for a middle class to exist. I certainly do not want a world for my children where there are only two classes with no middle.
Unless teachers are deemed an essential service and allowed arbitration like firefighters and police, then they should have the right to strike. It is their only recourse to express displeasure with the government. Particularly in this situation, which is NOT about the wage freeze (that was agreed upon in APRIL) or wanting more. It IS about living in a democracy and being able to negotiate with their employers an appropriate contract with out it being stripped. It is also about fighting for the future working conditions for the children in schools right now. Watch what is happening in the States as far as Right To Work and take a look at how much less workers in the States are making vs. unionized states, and the incidence of workplace injuries (21% higher in RTW states). Do you want YOUR children do have worse working conditions than those that are currently present or better? Stop assuming that most teachers are in it for the money ... They are there because they love it (yes there are bad apples like every single other profession). Remember many teachers sacrifice time with their own families to volunteer their time to help other people's children. This is no different. They are attempting (perhaps an exercise in futility) to educate each other, the public at large and their students about standing up to bullies, for their rights with in labour laws and a democracy! Please read Bill 115 or for a condensed version, visit www.puttingstudentsfirst.org and watch a video prepared by a parent that explains some of the detriments of the bill. Educate yourself before accusing teachers yet again of just being greedy and childish.
I think they should strike. Being a mother of a child in elementary school and one that will be entering next year, I think teachers have all rights to strike. If people are going to say teachers only care about the money, well then I would like to dispute that... My son's teacher has been wonderful to me and my son. We have not been in the area long and it was difficult to adapt. But the teacher has helped us a lot. I think people take teacher for-granted... Where would we be if there was no more teachers?
How can we as Canadians allow for a government to take away the constitutional right of a group of people to negotiate their agreement? What a waste for all those before us that fought for this right and made collective bargaining what it is today! The right to strike is also legal - it's a RIGHT. Why would we take this away. The fact of the matter is that teachers are a means to take the heat off the Liberal government in answering important questions about gas plants, lost pages, and other screw ups. People who speak of wages and sick days are falling into the great trap to rid our world of UNIONS. Unions allow for a middle class to exist. I certainly do not want a world for my children where there are only two classes with no middle.
This situation has nothing to do with wages or greed of any kind. It IS about standing up to a bully who has taken away the right to discuss employment details with their employer. Educators are taking a stand for all public employees such as nurses, firefighters, police, and the list goes on. It has only begun, so the parents (I am one - and I am not a teacher), that grumble about the loss of sports, field trips, or the possibility of a one day walk out, need to look at the big picture. What society are their children going to inherit? Yes, my children are not participating in sports and they are not going on field trips, but I thank the teachers, on behalf of all public employees, because we must do whatever we have to in order to protect our democracy for our children.
Teachers strike to get a better deal and level the playing field with the government. Striking is a fundamental constitutional right in our Democratic society and has been going on since the beggining of modern society. If you believe so then agree with me ; good if u don't tell me why
I believe that teachers should be able to go on strike, firstly, to voice their point of view to the politicians who think that is acceptable to make teachers pay more money each month into their pot for their pensions and get less out when it does come to withdrawing their pensions which makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion just because the government want to pay themselves out of the recession that they got us in to. Secondly, people in other public sector jobs such as the police go on strike so why can't teachers strike and the police striking is worse than teachers going on strike because they can't arrest people who are committing crimes on the day of the strike which affects everyone in the local community whereas teachers striking only affects children that go to that school, which in my opinion isn't putting the whole community at risk. Furthermore, there isn't a law against teachers going on strike therefore, this is why it should be ok for teachers to go on strike.
i think teachers sould be allowed to strike because on certain subjects it could be vital for their future. for example the recent story that has blown up in the media is the pensions. The government is taking their money as result of the governments failure, they're using the hard earned money, to pay for the debt crisis!
Even though striking is not successful in most cases, its ok for them to go on stirke if that is what is decided, its not a bad thing. We shouldn't be able to decide whether or not they should go on stirke if we are not in the sitution that they are. I AM ON THE FENCE SO HAVE CHOSEN YES SINCE I AM BEING FORCED TO CHOSE A SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!
i think that the teachers should be able to strike because if its for the students benifit they are helping the students and they are trying to bring in better equipment. if they have the day off they will lose out on pay but they wont be bothered because they they are helping the scholl out.
Everyone should have a right to strike for what is good for them and everyone else in their position, it will also effect the future and will help people down the line and wont have to deal with the problems people had before. If the strike will also benefit the education of the children, it is worth it.
I think that the American public school system is a huge failure and that teacher's unions contribute to this. I have no problem with a teacher going on strike; that is perfectly fine and it is their right. However, I do have a problem when the teacher's union steps in and says you cannot fire that teacher for going on strike. Why do I have a problem with this? I have a problem with it because the school administration has a job to do, and that job is to teach the children. If the unions interfere with this for selfish reasons, that is blood on their hands.
i think that teachers should be able to go on strike because they work long hard hours for there pay and educate children so when they leave school they will be able to contribute towards paying tax and paying off debt, without teachers no one would be educated and know anything wich goes on, we wouldnt be able to read or wright correctly. teachers should be able to go on strike ebcause its there money they loose if they dont go to work and 90% of the time there strike doesnt even get through administration
i believe that teachers should be able to go on strike, just because if there not being treated right within the school, and all the the teachers want something to change and what it there way, sometimes the only way is through the action of yes. yes children could suffer from their learning, yet if teachers are fighting for better learning conditions then a few days would be fine, as they could easily catch up with work which they haven't been able to do.
Finally, teachers have there own right, and if they want to go on strike, then they can and its not anyone elses right to tell them otherwise, its there job, there life, and there choice.
of course they have the right to strike, it is a right to speak. To be heard and striking seems to be one of the few ways to do that in this day and age. when teachers speak people need to listen just like any other career, why are they treated differently and why is this a debate?
they should be able to say what they want, other careers have the ability to strike so why shouldnt teachers, they have a right to a voice if they are not happy with their pay or resources etc. They should strike if they want to, not violently but strike to make themselves heard none the less
I think that the American public school system is a huge failure and that teacher's unions contribute to this. I have no problem with a teacher going on strike; that is perfectly fine and it is their right. However, I do have a problem when the teacher's union steps in and says you cannot fire that teacher for going on strike. Why do I have a problem with this? I have a problem with it because the school administration has a job to do, and that job is to teach the children. If the unions interfere with this for selfish reasons, that is blood on their hands.
The fact that an individual chose teaching as a profession should not mean that he or she has less rights than the balance of the American population. How can we, as a people, rationalize within our own minds that the education of our children is so important that it takes precedent over someone else's rights, especially when that "someone" is who we depend on, as a society, to educate our future leaders. We should value our teachers, just as we value the education of our children. Until then, let them strike.
Right now there is no protection for teachers salaries. regardless of what people think teachers get fired all the time.
some work in 1950's buildings with poor heat and air, exposed to asbestos. Health insurance is terrible. The state is trying to kill public school in order to make schools into private businesses. g4s Wackenhut schools.
Everyone would like teachers to noble professionals, but they want teachers to starve and their family suffer.
If everyone cared about education the question would never have to be asked. Teachers are not highly compensated and I hate to break the news but teachers are
strapped taxpayers also. They have the same mortgages, the same high interest rate credit cards pay the same rising food and gasoline. same high health insurance
Why should teachers not expect a living wage and quality of life? not to expect it would be violation of the social contract and an affront to teachers.
Strikes have commonly been employed by workers of the trucking industry, coal industry, and general government work. Teachers, being workers who are working in their industry, should have the same rights as other workers. The fact that they are teachers should make their strike much more impacting. Strikes have historically worked, and the more a society depends on the industry striking, the more impact the strike has.
That teachers always tell us to voice our opinions, and they should follow with what they say. If going on strike shows their opinion, then they are voicing their opinions. Otherwise, if they don't, their students may start to see them as hypocritical. Not promoting strikes, but if the teachers have to, than they should
Teachers got their bachelor degrees just like every other educated human being, but they are treated like unprofessional people. They have loans to pay, and everything else that comes with education and living expenses. Not even a teacher with a PHD makes the money that other PHD people do.
Teaching is not about the money, it is a selfless job which teachers know will not pay well, but when they are treated like they are 2nd class citizens and are told that they are not professionals, that is just plain wrong. Government laws have made and hurt the education system and now the same government wants to blame teachers for what is going on in schools. Teachers can't care about teaching anymore, they have to care about having their students pass "the test" (in Texas it's the TASK test), or they lose their jobs. So for people who say that teachers shouldn't be aloud to strike because it is a "child's right to get an education" and it is a "teachers responsibility to teach them," talk to your government about that.
Hell teachers wouldn't have to strike if they were treated and paid like day cares. Think about it, day cares charge about $300.00 to $600.00 a month per child. Hell let's take the lowest price of $300.00 a month and multiply that by half of an average teachers classroom. An average teacher has about 24 students, so we will multiply $300.00 x 12 = $3600.00 them multiply that by 12 months = $43200 per/year. Most teachers don't even make half that and they have an average of 24 students per 1 teacher. So does a teacher have the right to strike, hell yes!!! They are blamed for everything, they don't make enough money to even pay their own bills, they deal with kids who don't fall far from the tree of their parents, they have to pay their student loans like everyone else, and they have to fight for their jobs every time the government tries to impede in something they know nothing about. Not to mention that the government makes money off of the tests that they impose on your kids (most people don't know that.) So teachers....STRIKE AWAY!!!
If a school district attacks the livelihoods of those who educate children, then teachers have both a right and an obligation to make their communities aware of what is happening. And if their communities ignore their grievances, rebuff their arguments, and treat them as less important than maintaining a low tax bill, then it is certainly their prerogative to stop doing the job that has been devalued. All people deserve a living wage for noble work, and the noblest deserve commensurate recognition.
If teachers feel they are not being treated fairly then I think they should be allowed to strike. It may cause some problems with students but that is not the fault of the teachers. They should not be forced to work somewhere when they are trying to resolve issues with their employer.
If they are not given what is needed to give the education they are supposed to, then they are not able to do their jobs. If we comply, then our education system would be better. Teachers need to be appreciated and given the resources needed to provide the education that students deserve and need.
Yes, they look after our children day in and day out. If it weren't for them then our children wouldn't have an education and where would we be? Out on the streets complining and striking demanding to know why they weren't here. Teachers have a stressful life too and they deserve basic rights and a pension after everything they do!
All workers can withdraw their labour if they disagree with what's happening in the workplace - it's just that non-unionised workers don't have the mechanism to do so - and that's their fault. Get better organised and don't make us all slaves to our employers - we're people not cattle.
As with many careers, including my own, the newspapers are not telling you the whole story. The politicians all try to set the ordinary working people against each other. I have learned, since marrying a teacher, that they are overworked just like so many of the rest of us. Instead of having a competition about who is suffering the most from cutbacks, why don't we all stand up and say, "It isn't acceptable that we are getting poorer and more overworked, while you get richer?"
They do have the holidays but they really are working every evening and at least a day of their weekend. They also have to deal with appalling behaviour from pupils but have no power to be able to address it.
Day in, day out, teachers are told they are not working hard enough, or they need to do more. This is on top of a 12 hour day shift, get home,feed your own kids and then get back to work marking and planning until midnight, ready for the next day of criticism. Why not have a go yourself if you think it's easy?
... That does not mean that teachers should accept an assault on their working conditions and pay.
Teachers have already seen an increase in bureaucracy and an increase in paperwork as well as increased classroom observations as part recent drives to improved standards further.
All the teachers I know already work from 7.30 am, well into the evening and at least one day at the weekend. Yes there are other jobs where people work this hard but this should not be the case and all people who work in jobs where this is the case should be joining teachers to demand a better work -life balance in our supposedly civilised society.
Teachers are already scrutinised closely by management and any teaching below the minimum of a 'good' grading results in action being taken against the teacher involved.
Striking is the last available option when nothing else has worked.
Learning support staff are increasing being asked to cover classes for hours every week, with classes of 30 children being left with support staff who are supposed to be there to support the learning alongside the teacher and not instead of the teacher. This has lead to increased absence as support staff feel that they are being taken advantage of and teachers feel that their teaching qualifications and experience are not valued.
Teachers are the back bone of the country, they are the reason the next generation of kids will be successful. If no one taught Alan sugar he wouldn't be as successful as he is. It is a disgrace the teachers are being under paid for no reason at all it's stupid
It is the law of the land to allow such action, and until this changes, anyone who is entitled shoul;d be allowed to strike.
But here is the thing. A schoolteacher is contracted for the whole of a school year, so why cannot they strike during the school closures for holidays. How much respect would they gain from the public for taking such an action when the impact on the children is zero, and those parents who work is zero? Why do they not do this?
Alternatively, all teachers could give up a days pay (the cost an employer is legally entitled to deduct when industrial action takes place) and give it to charity. This would be a deemed strike day, with sacrifice from the teachers, but the teachers actually work the day as well. How much more respect would they get for a selfless act promoting their no doubt legitimate concerns?
Low wages and the repression from the Mexican government against unions are the the principle reason the teachers in Mexico are on strike. Behind the protest to avoid the evaluation there are other reason that Mexican professor are fighting for , such as better wages and the right to be part of a union.
Any profession (other than emergency services) has the right to strike. Teachers have been employing "Action short of Strike Action" since December 2011 with no inconvenience caused to the public at large, however this means that the public are, on the whole, ignorant that this has been happening. Strike action is never taken lightly in any profession, it really is the last resort, but teachers have reached this point. As a profession we have been battered for years, it's time to stand up and say enough is enough. As an award winning teacher, who left the profession as it was impossible to have a life and do the job, I know how hard it is. If you want high quality, dedicated teachers teaching YOUR kids, something has to change. Support your teachers!
Teachers should have the right to go on strike when there is no other option. Not all strikes are about money, some are about layoffs and supporting certain rights. If teachers were not important and necessary and anyone could do the job then they wouldn't be in such high demand and need to fight for their rights. If you want your children learning from inexperienced employees of the government then you pay them for their inexperience, if you want high quality education then the rights of the high quality teachers needs to be protected and if a strike is how they fight for it then they should. If not for the teachers who basically run a quality childcare program for less then a normal childcare provider would get paid for the same amount of hours, so they need to fight for the benefits.
Teachers should have the right to go on strike for our voices to be heard. There are a lot of things going on in the schools and classrooms that shouldn't be. Teachers are intimidated by principals, districts and the system and we are forced to close our mouths otherwise our jobs are at risk and this is not right. Politicians most of the time don't have a clue of what should be done in our schools. We need more teachers at the state and federal congress who can speak for us. We are not going to be able to change the system until we have the right to strike and let our voices heard. There are a lot of things that need to be change that are not working like promoting students to a higher grade based on age. We should have an alternative for irresponsible, careless and disrespectful students. Teachers are doing extra work and the system or local districts and principals are demanding more and more from us and don't make parents and students accountable for their actions. It is time to do something! Parents should be accountable for their children behavior and performance.
The very fact people are arguing both sides very strongly means that strike action, rightly or wrongly, does get noticed. It is more or less mandatory to join a Union (certainly in the UK) therefore if the members agree to strike then you have to strike! The risks of not joining a union are that you get sued, undefended in accusations or abused by management. There are of course many positive benefits as well.
As a trainee teacher (almost finished!) I am coming into this profession with a fresh pair of eyes. If you think teaching is easy, try it. Anyone who has taught/is teaching will laugh at you. However, there are benefits as well as drawbacks just like any other profession. What is unacceptable is the way the entire system is being manipulated by power hungry politicians. I am now seriously considering not entering the profession. The main complaint is that the system is now changing AFTER the event. This is like signing up to a mortgage, reading all the small print then making the monthly payments. THEN the bank decides it will suddenly take more money out of your account whenever it likes and change the terms and conditions. If you complain they try and take your house away. If anyone thinks this is whinging would those seem like fair circumstances? This is why there are more qualified teachers NOT teaching than in teaching (in part).
So, do you want the people who are too scared to fight for what they deserve teaching your kids, the people who aren't good enough to do well in other professions and be actually rewarded for the high levels of effort they put in? Or paid professionals doing the best they can under difficult circumstances and high pressure, every day.
Poorly paid, and work long hours often playing mentor, babysitter, and social advisor fora variety of reasons. Some are in schools that have no funding for anything but the basics. While a few are poor, and some are worthless, those are exceptions rather than the rule. And these are the people who are shaping the citizens of our future society, a society you want to live in. To you want them poorly paid, and scraping? Or do you want them well paid and able to contribute fully to their students? I want the latter.
I could write a post doc thesis on this but unless you have worked within the education system you would not have a clue. I don't tell doctors how to do their jobs, just because I have been in the surgery, or a dentist, policeman, judge, solicitor, etc. We are a babysitting service so that you can go to work. If you truly want what is better for your children you will support us and not the idiot politicians. We only want what is best for the children, do you?
Teachers are over worked and underpaid. The work hard - most evenings, weekends and during their holidays. People who think they get 6 weeks off swanning around has never been a teacher. Why should they get so little pensions, why are they constantly put under so much pressure to achieve high grades, why are they not allowed to stand up for what they deserve.
Most people do not have the slightest respect for teachers. Lawyers, Physicians, Doctors and the like make enough money to be able to afford a comfortable lifestyle for their FAMILIES. Most teachers can not do that. And while Mrs. A is with your bratty little Johnny, her own little Jimmy at home does not see his mom all that often.
Teachers should be paid more.
Michael Gove is determined to reduce the bill for teachers pay. He doesn't care what he does to the profession to achieve this. If he gets his way it is difficult to see how teaching can be maintained as a graduate profession.
Once the existing pay scales are replaced with a maximum and minimum amount a teacher can be paid, it stands to reason that Headteachers, who are facing year on year shortfalls in their budgets will be forced to keep pay low. Newly qualified teachers currently start on about £21,000 a year.
If the current pay scales disappear there will be no obligation for a Headteacher to increase this amount. Teachers could be on this rate for years.
Qualifying as a teacher is now very expensive and many people will leave university with tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt. It is difficult to see how the profession can survive in the face of pay reductions and the government's growing contempt for teachers and education.
Mr. Gove is not listening to the opinions of teachers and in light of this he has left teachers with no choice but to strike. Teachers are fighting for the very survival of the profession!
According to the first amendment in the constitution, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Therefore, it is presently illegal to prevent any teacher doing so as long as he/she respects rights and freedoms of others.
Beginning teachers often start with $30,000+ paychecks for only 9 months of work... Despite what they tell you, they don't have to work doing summer. When they go on strike it holds thousands of students hostage... It's screws THEM over and hurts their education. Excellent pay, great benefits, 3 months a vacation, and often free college (every couple of years, the school will pay to up the teachers education) teachers are in no position to pay... Most teachers retire with $70,000+ paychecks.
Come and spend a week in my shoes. Four weeks holiday a year, no pay raise in 7 years and no pension. You really don't know you have been born and striking really quite offends a good proportion of the population.
I think there is a place for strikes, but only if you really feel you are being treated unfairly. Step back and see yourselves in context with the rest of us. All in it together?...Apparently not the teachers.
But its ok, because when you all strike, I will use one of my days holiday (yes those four weeks I get) to cover it, so thanks for that.
Is it any wonder that if I could go into teaching I would do it tomorrow? I would bite your arm off to go and do a teaching job. In fact, you come and work with criminals like I do, and I will swap with you and work with young people.
If you walk one day in my shoes you will see how lucky you all really are.
Too many people want the privilege of being a teacher and these teachers don't understand how lucky. I personally want to be a teacher and would volunteer for that privilege! Obviously, these teachers have to much time to think up "woe is me" problems with every weekend off , every holiday off and summers.. And two sick days a month! I think they've become to used to being pampered in a job that is highly wanted.. If you don't like it, find a new career because obviously, they aren't in it to educate children they are in it for the benefits and money.. So unfortunate for the children who are missing out.
A wage restraint over the next 2-3 years is not a big deal. The government provides funding for the school board, therefore the government has the right to freeze wages. Unions were created to prevent unfair and/or dangerous working environments. Is that a problem now? No, now they are just being selfish; cutting off public services and walking out on the job to get more money when they’re already overpaid as it is. Not to mention all the benefits and holidays they receive that other professions do not have. And yet they still want more. The strike negatively affects our lives. We pay taxes that go towards their salary, but they are walking out on their job. The education system is unorganized, and it delays our education.
Professionals do not strike. Physicians, lawyers, engineers, and scientists are distinguished by dedication to their profession. Teaching should be a profession as well. If a professional is unhappy with his work situation his ultimate recourse is to resign and go elsewhere. Public employees in general ought not to have a right to strike. A union may be useful for presenting grievances, but cutting off public services to get more money is unacceptable. If the pay is unacceptable, they should seek employment elsewhere. I strongly oppose to teachers going on strike to put forth their demands. They can use other means of protest but going on a strike is simply not acceptable for noble professionals like teachers. Students learn from their teachers and often idealize them. Such behaviour from teachers can have a negative impact on them and someday even they would do the same thing. Moreover, it is extremely unfair to waste the precious time of students which otherwise could be used for learning lessons. Teachers are paid more per hour than most professions, $25.03 per hour on average, far more than the $16 per hour nationally. They also get summers off and far more holidays than most workers. They receive government benefits, such as healthcare, that are typically better than most workers. And it is extremely difficult to fire a teacher, even the bad ones, even some who were found guilty of sex with students. Why, then, would teachers ever go on strike? Well, for more money, more benefits, and more protections ... one can always ask. But to strike is to demand. And unlike still production lines, which hurt only management, teachers' strikes empty the classrooms. Then thousands of students (or more) and their parents find themselves lacking childcare and their children without education. The greed of the teachers hurts the children, their parents, and their community. Teachers may complain, write letters, and even stop all extracurricular activities. But to risk Johnny not learning to read and Juan not learning English because teachers refuse to jobs for which they are already highly compensated is not just a travesty - it is also a violation of the social contract and an affront to strapped tax payers who have paid that high compensation for years.
Striking negatively effects people's lives, jobs, and can cause huge inconvenience. By striking, it not only effects the students by missing one or several days of education it will effect the society, this is because if children are not in school they will most likely be out in the streets. Striking is most likely to be a waste of time as the majority of times striking happens, no change is made. Also, when striking you do not necessarily gain anything from it and you do not get paid.
While teachers are striking, kids are losing their education which is unfair. Teachers are public servants and they need to take full responsibility for their students. They sign up to be a teacher, knowing their working conditions. And if they don't like their conditions, maybe the job is not made for them. Yes they should have the right to voice their opinion, but it should be on their own time. As a stated before innocent children are lacking their education while teachers are striking.
By going on strike you are not only putting yourselves at risk from you r job, but the childrens education and there parents priorities. By going on strike you are no going to solve anything, but cause more havoc to the world. In a way, kids love these days as an excuse for a day off, but this day could effect there future of education just for an act that had no garanteed solution, but an trastic reaction on the day.
As a student of the Kansas City School District from 1975 till 1979, the constant strikes caused my education to suffer. As I walked past the teachers that claimed to care about me, I remember looking up at them, at my young age, and wondering what I did to make them mad at me. Then, we got into class and the school staff (secretaries etc.) would hand us coloring paper and puzzles to work on. The longer the strike lasted, the further my education suffered. Finally in 1979 we moved to the Liberty School District. I didn't realize how much I was behind till the teacher pointed to the board and asked me to find the "noun". I said, "What's a noun?" Then the teacher held up flash cards for the multiplication tables and I had no idea what that even was. It took me years of hard work to catch up. However, my sister was so defeated by all of this, she just gave up and didn't end up graduating from school. Don't get me wrong, I agree that teachers are valuable. But we all CHOOSE our professions. What makes one person more deserving of a higher salary than another? Don't we all deserve to be paid well for what we do? Most people enjoy being waited on at restaurants and yet treat the servers terrible. Doesn't that hard working mom or student deserve a good salary and to be treated fair and deserve healthcare? Why is it, we always claim teachers don't get paid enough? There are plenty of people that went to college and are only making minimum wage. There are plenty of people who worked hard a job all their lives and got laid off and can't even find a job. There are plenty of people who live in countries where no education or job is avaibable to them and work really hard just to live daily. Be thankful for what you do have.
Teachers are paid more per hour than most professions, $25.03 per hour on average, far more than the $16 per hour nationally. They also get summers off and far more holidays than most workers. They receive government benefits, such as healthcare, that are typically better than most workers. And it is extremely difficult to fire a teacher, even the bad ones, even some who were found guilty of sex with students. Why, then, would teachers ever go on strike? Well, for more money, more benefits, more protections ... one can always ask. But to strike is to demand. And unlike still production lines, which hurt only management, teachers' strikes empty the classrooms. Then thousands of students (or more) and their parents find themselves lacking childcare and their children without education. The greed of the teachers hurts the children, their parents, and their community. Teachers may complain, write letters, and even stop all extracurricular activities. But to risk Johnny not learning to read and Juan not learning English because teachers refuse to jobs for which they are already highly compensated is not just a travesty - it is also a violation of the social contract and an affront to strapped tax payers who have paid that high compensation for years.
When professional athletes strike, it is an inconvenience to the fans of the sport. When airline pilots strike, it is a nuisance for travelers to switch airlines. When teachers strike, it is disruptive to the lives of busy parents, and damaging to the students for the days of education they miss. Schools are an integral institution, and taxpayers are entitled to them being open as scheduled.
In contrast with private employees, public employees work for the people and are entrusted with providing absolutely necessary services. This is why teachers or other public employees should not strike, but instead look to other methods to get their point across. They should choose methods that do not threaten the education of children.
Most of the teachers don't care about the children, they just want their pockets lined with money. They shouldnt take away the students sports teams and then complain that the kids don't get enough physical activity! The teachers are being selfish, they get summers off, weekends off, hollidays off, they pretty much only need to take care of kids 4 hours a day, they get something like 12 sick days every year! And make 50 to 70,000 dollars a year. So why are they complaining! there just useing the students to say that their doing it for the kids, and then they pressure the children and make it unfair so that the kids will go home and complain to their parents and then the parents will go to the local municables and ask them to give the teachers what they want, when the parents taxes are what pays the teachers! The government isn't giving them what they want because ontarios economy and municiple is doing quit bad. Overall the teachers are just playing a game and the students are in the middle of it.
They claim to have the kids best interest at heart yet they deny them education whenever they don't get what they want by striking! They knew what the job entailed when they went to school for it!
It is common sense that if teachers strike, ultimately, students pay the cost since it disrupts their education. It also sends a message to them that teachers care more about money and benefits than they do about their students.
I strongly oppose to teachers going on strike to put forth their demands. They can use other means of protest but going on a strike is simply not acceptable for noble professionals like teachers.
Students learn from their teachers and often idealize them. Such behavior from teachers can have a negative impact on them and some day even they would do the same thing.
Moreover, it is extremely unfair to waste the precious time of students which otherwise could be used for learning lessons.
It is my belief that going on strike should not be a viable option for teachers to pursue changes to their employment status. As education is such an essential service this is almost paramount to blackmailing the educational facilities in order to obtain your preferred salary or benefits. Children do not need to be denied regular access to education for any period of time due to employment related issues. That is simply not the solution to the issue and should not be used as a club to beat the school systems with. It gives unfair advantage to the teachers and everyone else suffers as a result.
Teachers should never go on strike because their students would suffer as a result. Baseball players or television screenwriters going on strike is one thing, because it really affects is the entertainment industry and fans; but teachers going on strike directly affects the welfare of our children. Our kids need to learn no matter what, so teachers need to find another means of making their needs heard.
Teachers, like firefighters and police officers, provide an invaluable service to their community. If either firefighters or police officers were to go on strike and shirk their duties, it could cause loss of public order, damage through fires, or even loss of life. Similarly, teachers provide a service in educating our children and if they go on strike, the children are the ones harmed.
I'm all for the right to strike. I just don't think teachers should be able to strike during the school year. In effect they hold our children hostage. They sign a contract at the start of the school year. They should honor their agreement. If they wish to strike they should do it during the summer.
I agree that teachers should not strike because their profession is vital to our children's education. When teachers decided to strike it does not just effect them it effects the whole entire community like a domino effect. For instance, did our teachers ever consider a hungry child that may need to go to school because those hours may be the only hours they eat. Did they every consider the abused child that is relived that they are at school away from the abusive situation that child may be in. There are so many different variables that I could go on about but my last question is did our teachers think anything about the students that would be affected by this situation? My answer would be no.
Few people will disagree that a teacher's worth is incalcuable. However, when one compares similar salaries between public vs. private servants, public employees are paid approx. 40% more. In the "yes" column, somone was making a comparison between day care providers compensation and used an example of being paid $300/month, by 12 students, arriving at $43,200/yr. The consistent error in this equation is using 12 months. There are virtually no school districts in this country that have 12 month contracts, and if so, are compensated for it. When one looks at the fact that it is 3/4 year contract but so many wish to make comparisons to other industries/professions that are 12 month careers, there is not a realistic comparison. Factor in the shortened days for weather in the northern parts of the country (often, they are out of school by noon and it is calculated as a "full" day of school. Where is the lack of time with the students made up here? It is not.), in-service days (many people get their continuing ed. on their own time, not the tax-payers), and all the winter- breaks and spring breaks, and extra compensation for virtually any task, i.e. ticket-taking at ball-games, the rate/hour is not as diminished as proprosed by many. I still believe, strongly, that public servants should not be allowed to unionize. When a private enterprise fails, then the union also fails. However, this is not the case in the public sector and the taxpayers are held hostage. It has often been said that benefits were extremely generous because of the low wages in the public sector, historically. This is not the case anymore, where the wages and benefits generally far outshine those in the private sector. This is simply wrong. When one looks at what the strike is about - it is about what is benefiting the teachers: increased wages, transfers, etc. Seldom are the issues about wanting new, up-to-date textbooks for the students, more class-room time to teach the students, etc. It is just dis-enheartening to see where the teaching profession has come from since the 1930's, 1940's when a teacher did EVERYTHING - brought wood to heat the school, cleaned, etc. to what is happening today with these union strikes. This is most definitely only about the teachers and not about the students.
Striking gets them no where in the short term the only way a strike will work for teachers is if they go on a long strike and that simplily cant happen because it would sacrfiice the students education too much. Also it is just not fair on the students they shouldnt have to suffer with a bad education or unhappy teachers because of something that cannot be changed or effected by them.
i think this becasue teacehrs will go on strike for a day which means students will miss a day of education whih could be improtant to them. Also they will loose a pay day from getting nothing out of there stike. The stike does not change anyones mind and it a watse a time and makes people miss out on alot.
In an age where reasonable paying jobs are leaving for China, Mexico, India, Indonesia...etc, it is time to say thank-you for what you have. No matter what the public opinion is, corporations will want to make as much money as possible. Look at what all the CAW/UAW strikes got them...fewer jobs, and lower pay. For all the social programs that are supported, you need a taxable base of income earners to support the pool of money. So what makes more sense, 5% unemployment with people earning and average of 28K per year (based on $15 per hour) or 10% unemployment with an average of 56K per year. If you take the employable population of Canada, and work out the statistics, you'll see that the very poor will have received a notable improvement on annual income (Some work + Social Programs) and the rest of the workforce in the Lower middle to Upper middle class will have no notable change to current Annual income based on adjustments (Less income + Better job stability + Less unemployment = Less taxes). So Teachers need to realize that their skills are not in demand, we have large number of 'would be' teachers willing to come in and do the job for less money. I say lock them out until a good chunk of the provincial deficit is paid down, I will educate my kids on my own for the time being, and run their sports programs, then when the teachers are ready to accept what the taxpayers are willing to pay, we'll re-open the schools. In addition to the new rules, pension will be self directed, and never again topped up by taxpayers. There will be provisions for some teachers to be grandfathered into the existing pension plan, and then leave options for the teachers with fewer years to bridge the gap with their own funds. Once this is completed then the teachers can opt to be in the union or not, and again, if they choose to be in the union they forfeit their vote. Then after we have the teachers settled, we then work on the MP's and MPP's Councillors and Mayors.
It seems so many people in this column don't get the importance of the democratic right to strike. You all talk about wages etc, but the point is that once one group of people have there rights removed the rest will follow. In the UK there has been a 3 year public pay freeze, there is new legislation going through that removes any obligation from employers to provide a SAFE environment for their staff, and they are also removing legal aid for employment related disputes. This is the way things are going. I salute the teachers for standing up for their rights, and I believe it is a valuable lesson for the kids, they are learning about democracy and the NEED at times to question authority, that is what a democracy allows right?
Aren't we all in the same boat? Teachers strike for reasons they firmly believe in are true and worth striking for, which I myself respect, as every person has the right to let their voice be heard and in fairness towards them, there are some genuine concerns for them as people and their future. However is it not the same for the pupil they teach everyday who is facing the toughest fight for employment on record. Is it also not an equally tough time for the person in charge of finding solutions to the issues related with the strike? My point is that it isn't hard for the teacher only, it is hard for everybody. Better still could we not all work together, meaning teachers take the issues and persevere through tough times, building trust in the people in charge of their issues. Could the person in charge of thinking up solutions allow teachers to have their say and work together on a solution that doesn't mean a strike day that causes such bad effects, but build a positive working relationship? Could we as pupils not honour our teachers for the extraordinary work they do for us and our futures? Or is all this too hard for the generation we live in? I have the faith that this could be a changing generation...
I believe that professionals that involve the community should not be able to strike. This is their fight not ours. What would happen if our police officers , the fire department, nurses, and doctors walked out of their jobs for the day. I do understand that it is hard to have things taken away, but in the long run it is us the tax payers paying for all that they have. If they only new how little rights the majority have in the working world.
The teachers in Ontario work 9 months out of the year and receive a very generous pension. The fact that they are upset because the gravy train has stopped is not a good reason to punish the children. The age of accumulating sick days so that you can retire weeks if not months early is long gone. Provincial police in Ontario are given six paid sick days and are not allowed to carry over any. Now that the sick days cannot be carried over, I can bet that all teachers will be sick ten days this year. Come on and stop being childish and get back to work.
If it is really about putting our children first, they would be staying in the classrooms teaching our children, not standing on a picket line. It's time that the union realizes that one day rotating strikes is not going to solve anything, but leaves a lot of angry parents, and confused children.
As any entity that is paid via taxes, they need to be aware that the owe service to the taxpayers. There are many private sector teaching jobs available if they do not want to carry that responsibility. The problem with the private sector is that they pay substantially less than those in the public sector and attempts to strike for higher wages, better pensions, more sick days, more PA days or any other perk is quickly quashed with replacement for someone wanting to do the job.
Yes, teachers are very important. However, I believe teachers should negotiate with their employers, not go on strike when so many young minds rely on them. It is understandable for teachers to want to go on strike, but there are other professions who hold just as important of a responsibility to the community that cannot go on strike.
I can't believe they're moaning again, they should be grateful they have a job. They say they need thirteen weeks to 'plan'. The curriculum hasn't changed in my children's school for years, they do the same thing year in year out. The public are losing patience with teachers, nobody supports this strike except teachers. If you can't handle the pressure, move over and allow the better man or woman to do the job. No other profession comes with the perks of this job!
Employ other means. The right of the teachers to strike should never trample the rights of the children to free and uninterrupted education. Teachers' strikes divide communities, hinder education, and do nothing to increase the reputation of the teaching profession. The tactics of every teachers' union leading up to and during a strike are unprofessional and leave them with a loss of respect.
At the end of the year, all good teachers will have done their very best to get all their students through their assessments, and off to their next challenges... So what's the point in handing a day's pay back to management (plus a day's pension contributions)? There are other ways to object to the continuing erosion of teachers and lecturers' pay and status, but to strike does nothing good for the teacher... Or the student.
Children are not responsible for the adults acting out about money and benefits. We as educators
must remain true to ourselves. We educate not for the money of it. We educate because we love teaching. Teachers should not strike. They should get rid of the people making the laws. This will cause a change in the way education and educators are respected in this Country. One note is that teachers/educators need to be the professional and dress professional in order to be perceived and paid as professionals.
Teachers would benefit from gaining experience out of teaching. This would enable them to place their working conditions in context, compared to other professions, and see how fortunate they are.
In addition, when discussing the issues, the unions fail to adopt a measured tone. This reflects badly on the profession and does not encourage tbe public's support. Our children deserve better.
A number of my friends are teachers who feel harassed and bullied, not by the government but instead by their unions. Not the low voter turnout. These individuals did not feel able to vote against strike action and so decided instead not to vote. This left the result in the hands of the militant minority within the teaching community. This minority are the bullies of the story who vocally ostracize those who believe in a vocational commitment to teaching the children in their charge. They knew the wage packages when the joined and whilst they would love to be paid more, and I feel they should be, they do not feel a one size fits all approach works. Some school and some teachers are considerably better than others.
I don't understand why teachers think they deserve better than the rest of us regarding pay rises and pensions? Few private sector workers are lucky enough to have a work pension and have to pay into a private pension with no help at all from their employer. And, what is so wrong with being expected to work till you're 68? Everyone else will need to! Are they so concerned about performance-related pay-rises because they know they're not actually up to the job? Well, that can only be a good thing, as now the less capable teachers will have nowhere to hide and it will reward the decent teachers. It beggars belief that presently they receive pay-rises just for being in the job year upon year!
I completely understand how difficult a job teaching is, coming from a family of teachers. However, the days of gold plated pensions are long gone and the sooner the teachers wake up to this the better. Most of the private sector are on 4 weeks holiday a year with a pension that in no way compares to the teaching pensions,. The benefits teachers get are still way above the average private sector worker. What I find completely unacceptable is that last week all parents at my son's primary school received a letter to say that if we take children out of school during term time we will be fined, as we all know good attendance is linked to good grades etc. This week I receive a letter to say that the most of the teachers are striking and to expect the school to be closed for the day. Unbelievable! Such double standards really are not easy to stomach. Most private sector workers are unable to go on strike, we can't afford it. We all are working harder/longer hours etc for less - join the club!
Pupils suffer, schools reputation suffers, working parents have to fork out money to pay for children who need a nanny for the day; money which is not re-reimbursed by the NUT. Children are expected to be at school every day of term; teacher should be leading by example. If you (the striking teacher) are unhappy with the pension, speak to a financial adviser and get a private one or join the wide world of the private sector and see how bad some pensions can really be (if you even have one).
My wife is a teacher and believes all the hype from the NASUWT. She fails to understand that her holidays, pension and other benefits associated with her employment are significantly greater than the average worker. When will unions learn that their action solves nothing in the long term and creates significant financial and social disruption in the short leading no one to benefit individually?
Teachers should not go on strike as it would mean that students would be losing a day of learning, which could be important for them. Also, striking doesn't always make any difference, especialy if it is only for a day and teachers don't get paid for striking, so they should go about it a different way.
They get their summers off and more holidays than most other professions. There students are in school for less than 8 hours a day. There is plenty of time to get work done. They do not need more time off. If teachers participate in extra cirricular activities then perhaps they should just consider the fact that they get all kinds of extra time off over xmas, march break and summer to cover those 'extra' hours.
i belive that there is no point in teachers striking as nothing will come from it as it is for there own selfish needs so the goverment will not listen. and it will jepordise students learning. i do think there is a good reason for them to vote as the goverment is wrong to use there pension to pay off ther debt but striking for a day or to will do nothing it will just affect the progress of students in the schools.
no i do not think teachers should be able to strike because the students will be losing out on valuable learning time. also striking should not be allowed because it does not have no effect and the teachers are just losing out on a days wage for nothing. also the government are losing money because less tax is being paid
i believe that they should not be able to go on strike as studens like us are losing out on education. Dependent on how long the strike is on for. Another reason is that a strike simply doesn't work who ever strikes will loose out on a days wage. Also a 1 day strike will not affect any , but a long tearm strike will effect the students dramatically
I think teachers should not strike because if they was to strike they would have no pay and wouldnt be able to support their families and then the students would miss a day without education.Also, what would happen if the strike didnt work then the day of strike would be for nothing.
Depends on what their salary already are, but generally, no, the government shouldn't have to put up with strikes.
Teaching should be like any other job. It should be a supply and demand thing. If the job market is already flooded, then I'd have no problem firing the teachers who dare to go on strike.
Teachers should just quit if they don't like it and somebody else can take their place. If instead, there's a shortage of teachers, then the government should do something about it.
Unless you're working for pennies a day, striking is a very naive thing to do. Unions were created early in the last century for legit reasons, because workplace conditions were really that horrible.
It's the 21st century and this is a developed country. Quit complaining. There's no excuse for a strike.
Although it's within their rights to be allowed to do whatever they want to a certain extent, is their reputation at stake? A teachers job obviously involves teaching, that's what they should be doing, not going on strike all because they disagree with the tiniest thing. Their job isn't to go on strike all because they feel the need to have a tiny tantrum. It's inconvenient for children at the school, they should be at school in a working environment as school is crucial, not having the day off because their teachers haven't bothered turning up. From this, is also inconveniences the parents as their child should be at school, instead they're having to worry about their well being/what they'll do instead of being at school which I personally find ridiculous as no one should have to be put in that position voluntarily. Finally, it gives the teachers themselves and the school a bad reputation due to striking.
It's extortion. It's completely self serving and puts children last. The fact that teachers can hold parents and children hostage, when they are the ones paying their salary, through threats and intimidation is wrong. Furthermore, teachers have guarantees and time off not available in the private sector. They are just greedy.
Teachers strike for reasons they firmly believe in are true and worth striking for, which I myself respect, as every person has the right to let their voice be heard and in fairness towards them, there are some genuine concerns for them as people and their future. However is it not the same for the pupil they teach everyday who is facing the toughest fight for employment on record. Is it also not an equally tough time for the person in charge of finding solutions to the issues related with the strike? My point is that it isn't hard for the teacher only, it is hard for everybody. Better still could we not all work together, meaning teachers take the issues and persevere through tough times, building trust in the people in charge of their issues. Could the person in charge of thinking up solutions allow teachers to have their say and work together on a solution that doesn't mean a strike day that causes such bad effects, but build a positive working relationship? Could we as pupils not honour our teachers for the extraordinary work they do for us and our futures? Or is all this too hard for the generation we live in? I have the faith that this could be a changing generation...
i dont think that the teachers should be allowed to strike as they have to teach the kids they have to do this and the school provide the nessesary equipment to teach, they get paided for doing there job and they should be pleased that they got the job and that they have a basic learning enviroment. stefan williams
Teachers will not be able to have their pay and will lose out on money to help their families and lives move on. Also the teachers will not be able to teach young kids at school so they will go a day without education and have to catch up on the learning. Finally there is no real point in the strikes as there are no real results in the strike action, nothing really happens!!!
I think they should not go on strike because there is very little effect on anyone and in the long term nothing is resolved. Children lose education and the whole point of it is to influence parents to provide an inconvenience However, not many parents complain the Government is not moved by it. Also, it is ineffective because Striking decision s are made by post which nowadays no-one use and the method should be updated to make it more effective as only a small fraction of teachers actually bother posting there opinions. Overall, I think that the method should be updated and improved to ensure more teachers will get involved and only this way it will have an effect on the original point of strike.
it's not very effective for short periods of time and it's not really worth it for the money they loose for going on the strike in the first place. students loose a day of learning because of this and so they certainly don't benefit from this, even if they do get a day off school.
When teachers strike they are effecting the students who go there school because they lose out on education time.
also strikes are proven ineffective like when teachers strike about the pensions, nothing has happened due to the strike action so it was a waste of teachers pay and a waste of student education time.
strike action has no major affect on a large scale it doesnt make a difference in one day it would take a longer period of time to fix the economy. If people want a larger pension they shouldnt waste there own time and students, they should make a petition or if they strike they should be saked
Now kids won't be able to get reports in do extra circulars or anything. Teachers are supposed to help kids and now they're just hurting them. It's not fair for kids to take the punishment for something that teachers need to work out. I know for fact that was me in the position I'd be scared.
Professionals do not strike. Physicians, lawyers, engineers, and scientists are distinguished by dedication to their profession. Teaching should be a profession as well. If a professional is unhappy with his work situation his ultimate recourse is to resign and go elsewhere. Public employees in general ought not to have a right to strike. A union may be useful for presenting grievances, but cutting off public services to get more money is unacceptable. If the pay is unacceptable, they should seek employment elsewhere.
I strongly oppose to teachers going on strike to put forth their demands. They can use other means of protest but going on a strike is simply not acceptable for noble professionals like teachers. Students learn from their teachers and often idealize them. Such behaviour from teachers can have a negative impact on them and someday even they would do the same thing. Moreover, it is extremely unfair to waste the precious time of students which otherwise could be used for learning lessons.
Teachers are paid more per hour than most professions, $25.03 per hour on average, far more than the $16 per hour nationally. They also get summers off and far more holidays than most workers. They receive government benefits, such as healthcare, that are typically better than most workers. And it is extremely difficult to fire a teacher, even the bad ones, even some who were found guilty of sex with students. Why, then, would teachers ever go on strike? Well, for more money, more benefits, and more protections ... one can always ask. But to strike is to demand. And unlike still production lines, which hurt only management, teachers' strikes empty the classrooms. Then thousands of students (or more) and their parents find themselves lacking childcare and their children without education. The greed of the teachers hurts the children, their parents, and their community. Teachers may complain, write letters, and even stop all extracurricular activities. But to risk Johnny not learning to read and Juan not learning English because teachers refuse to jobs for which they are already highly compensated is not just a travesty - it is also a violation of the social contract and an affront to strapped tax payers who have paid that high compensation for years.
Physicians, lawyers, engineers, and scientists are distinguished by dedication to their profession. Teaching should be a profession as well. If a professional is unhappy with his work situation his ultimate recourse is to resign and go elsewhere. Public employees in general ought not have a right to strike. A union may be useful for presenting grievances, but cutting off public services to get more money is unacceptable. If the pay is unacceptable, they should seek employment elsewhere.