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Is modern day feminism counterproductive to western society?

  • Sexism towards men exists to, but i don't hear feminists talking about that

    If feminism were behaving correctly, then no, it would not be counterproductive. However, this is not the way it is. The modern feminist movement seems to think that this "equality" they are "fighting" for, only means that good things would happen for women. Equality is a double edged sword. Women continuously convey the fact that the work place is an area of inequality for them. This is true, i will give that to them. Women should not be payed less than men for undergoing the same job. Equal pay is not the only part to equality though. I don't see any women fighting to be garbage men, or janitors. They only want the jobs that seem good to them, like doctors and lawyers. Leave it to the men to do the things that need done. That is sexist and is not the equality they are supposedly searching for. Also, it is only sexist when a man does it. If a man were to hit a women, he would be called a monster, no matter the circumstances. If a woman were to hit a man, she would be considered a heroine. If women really want to fight for this "equality" that they don't think they already have, then they need to understand that some things will get harder for them as well.

  • Yes, absolutely

    Feminism is a bit of a misnomer as feminists generally do not appreciate the traditional feminine roles of remaining at home to raise children. Feminism's goal is not to make men and women equal but to make women into men. It encourages women to leave the home, put off marriage and family formation, and focus more on career. In the long run this does not make either women or men happy.

  • A good apple turned bad.

    I as a male can say, that once apon a time feminism was a worthy and healthy cause. Now it's just a cause for women to gain power, by crying inequality. The issue facing feminism now is that so many men and women are waking up to it. Things like women against feminism, are now prevalent, where in the past they were scorned apon. I as a male often feel suppressed, as anything seen as stereotypically manly is bad and suppressive! But how is say example riding a harley suppressing women because it may scare them?

    It's not. It's just a certain group of people see it as manly and therefore bad, so it shouldn't be done. (Not that women can ride aswell!).

    Not all feminist are bad, but like extremist Muslim groups, these sour apples taint a once good cause.

  • Completely agree with this.

    The whole argument of feminism is a waste of time, by arguing that you are not at an equal standpoint with men, and by continuing to do so, you are placing yourselves in the position of being a "victim". We have focused so much on becoming equal, that we have become unequal.

  • Feminists purport sexism

    Modern Feminism in it's current guise is counter productive to modern society because it purports sexism and quashes equality. The largest majority of Feminists seem to believe in the concept of positive sexism. There is nothing positive about any kind of sexism or racism. Positive sexism only creates a culture that condones sexist behavior. It does not matter whether is men being sexist to women or women being sexist to men. Any kind of sexism is detrimental to society. What is most detrimental is Feminist Women claiming a moral high ground while behaving in the exact manner toward men that the feminist women claim is detrimental for women. When Feminist Women act out their accusations it only crates distrust form the women they are supposed to be representing. In western society less than 10 percent of women will claim to support the modern Feminist movement while any researcher will be hard pressed to find a woman who will not claim support women's rights. As long as the modern feminist movement continues to have in a sexist manner toward men the overwhelming majority of women will fail to support them.

  • Feminists aren't even feminists anymore

    First and second wave feminism make perfect sense: women deserve the right to vote and to be equally paid. Unfortunately modern feminism is third wave feminism, And it isn't even real feminism! The dictionary definition for a feminist is someone who believes in equal rights for men AND women, But current third wave feminism can be incredibly sexist towards men, Saying that they are basically the cause of all the world's problems. Yes, A majority of rape victims are female, But that does not mean that men aren't raped! Third wave feminism wants to coat society in PC rubbish, Which is useless and doesn't help with the much bigger world issues such as global warming. Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I don't hate feminism. I identify as a feminist, But third wave feminism is not real feminism, It is just sexism in disguise as feminism.

  • It's a pointless waste of time, no different than a dog chasing it's own tail

    The problem with feminism, is that there is no real definitive form of it, it's as disjointed as reinterpretations of biblical scriptures. Feminism is nothing but a bandaid solution to a larger problem. If you want equality, stop buying into these stupid feminist activists who sell you books and tell you how to win their war, do your own thing to be a respected woman. Don't buy into it. I can't stress that enough.

  • What exactly is your point?

    Go live in any middle east country for just one day then come back and you'll probably appreciate usa a lot more. Go live in any middle east country for just one day then come back and you'll probably appreciate usa a lot more. Go live in any middle east country for just one day then come back and you'll probably appreciate usa a lot more.

  • It Promotes Delusion and Fails to Solve Anything.

    All the area of study does is highlight with supporting evidence that the world isn't fair and never has been fair. The emphasis is mostly on how it was unfair for women and that it still seemingly is; it spends too much time agonizing over this instead of teaching girls how to succeed in it. Instead of teaching girls how to compete with their male counterparts in common areas and professions of interest, they are teaching them numerous ways to complain about it and that any man (and even woman) that doesn't agree with the ideology is a bigot, an incompetant or an oppressor. The area of study is ultimately producing countless delusional women and men that think forcing the ideology onto other people that don't agree with it will make them righteous heroes instead of pursuing careers that involve immediately rendering assistance to people in danger or need such social work, law enforcement or the medical field. Radicals in this field of study are not capable of understanding or accepting that people will never all agree on all of the same subjects whether it is belief, politics or even pop culture which would be the only way to make their absurd ideas of creating an "global equality" work. Even if it did, there would still be no way to make every person equal as not everybody is financially stable or born to wealthy parents, not everybody has the same talents, and certainly not everybody wants the same things. Instead of teaching people that the world could be something that it never could be, teach how it actually is so nobody wastes their time screaming and crying about it and instead learn how to play the individual hands they have been dealt and even how to make their own luck.

  • It Promotes Delusion and Fails to Solve Anything.

    All the area of study does is highlight with supporting evidence that the world isn't fair and never has been fair. The emphasis is mostly on how it was unfair for women and that it still seemingly is; it spends too much time agonizing over this instead of teaching girls how to succeed in it. Instead of teaching girls how to compete with their male counterparts in common areas and professions of interest, they are teaching them numerous ways to complain about it and that any man (and even woman) that doesn't agree with the ideology is a bigot, an incompetant or an oppressor. The area of study is ultimately producing countless delusional women and men that think forcing the ideology onto other people that don't agree with it will make them righteous heroes instead of pursuing careers that involve immediately rendering assistance to people in danger or need such social work, law enforcement or the medical field. Radicals in this field of study are not capable of understanding or accepting that people will never all agree on all of the same subjects whether it is belief, politics or even pop culture which would be the only way to make their absurd ideas of creating an "global equality" work. Even if it did, there would still be no way to make every person equal as not everybody is financially stable or born to wealthy parents, not everybody has the same talents, and certainly not everybody wants the same things. Instead of teaching people that the world could be something that it never could be, teach how it actually is so nobody wastes their time screaming and crying about it and instead learn how to play the individual hands they have been dealt and even how to make their own luck.

  • I think Absolutely NOT!

    Modern day women are showing time and time again that their voices need to be heard. Whether it be Hilary Clinton, Sandra Fluke, or even Elizabeth Warren, they prove time and time again that their ideas are needed to keep our country moving in the right direction. We need more of these voices and less of the Todd Aikin's of this Western World.

  • No, it is still relevant and useful.

    My understanding of the feminist position is that it supports the rights of all people to have equal opportunity. Our society today practically requires women to be more engaged in the world than in days past, and for men to be more engaged in family. Things have actually changed in a way that families can be flexible in regard to changes in their circumstances. It is more important than ever that people be flexible enough to move out of traditional roles if they need to. The ongoing dialog between men and women and their expectations of each other is a healthy thing to continue.

  • No Of Course Not

    There is still so much work to be done for women that disregarding feminism is what is counterproductive. We still live in a rape culture, women still don't receive equal pay, they are still objectified and culturally conditioned to see themselves as less than men. So no, modern feminism is not counterproductive to western society.

  • You are actually incredibly ignorant if you think that the answer is yes

    FEMINISM means gender EQUALITY BOTH WAYS, yes, society is often sexist to men stating that they shouldn't experience emotion or should be the main income provider etc etc, BUT FEMINISTS ARE LARGELY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THESE DOUBLE STANDARDS AND ALLOW MEN TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN EXPERIENCE EMOTION OR NOT FEEL WEAK IF THEIR FEMALE PARTNER EARNS MORE THAN THEM ETC AND TO TRY AND HELP MALE SUICIDE RATES DECREASE, so if you think that feminism is counterproductive for men, you couldn't be more wrong.

  • Literally, go back to 1803 because we don't need you conflagrating this wonderful movement.

    Feminism's goal is complete and total equality. User UnIgnorant claims women don't want the dirty jobs? Well why should they? It isn't like it's fun cleaning up after everyone, and as people they should have the choice to decide what to do with the rest of their lives. Nothing is going to get harder for us. In fact, from here on out it's a roller coaster that only goes up. You think women have it easy? Think again! I have never heard of cis, white, hetero dude-bros walking down the street at night clenching their car keys as makeshift daggers. Nor have I heard of them staring their drinks down at bars as if their life depends on it. I haven't heard of them being turned down work because they were traditionally 'not fit' for the job. Men run the world, effectively creating a society that runs on whether your genitalia faces inward or outward. The world does not, and should not revolve this way. As people you should be at the liberty of doing with your life what you see fit; be that forgoing traditional female roles or embracing them. Feminism is a fight for equality.
    We fight for the men and women who don't feel comfortable in their own skin because they're too "feminine" or "masculine" or lack such qualities altogether and instead opt to ignore such titles. We rally for those who have been abused and maltreated regardless of gender, sex, orientation or circumstance. To say that feminism is counterproductive to western society means to imply that (other)gendered individuals should be denied their basic human rights. And, debate dot org, let me remind all of you, human rights violations are always looked back at as grossly misinformed and disgusting. Was not the US founded on the principles of promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of liberty? How does treating people as second class citizens coincide with these ideals?

    All in favor of saying feminism doesn't fit western society's 'ideals' is ridiculously misinformed and is in need of an unbiased re-education in terms of feminism and what 'western society' stands for.


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