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  • Theft = to take from someone who didnt want you to take from them

    Robbery is to intimidate someone to hand over their stuff, after you receive it you are also stealing too. Robbery is a form of theft. Gov robs, and it steals, it will steal your house/car/bank deposits if you dont pay. Everone has the right to keep the fruits of their own labor. Gov is a paracite.

  • Yes but it is necessary

    The alternative is either a plutocratic government funded by wealthy donors or an anarchy run by a bunch of fighting mobs. It is taking against a person's will so yes it is theft. And we should not mince words, we should be blunt and recognize things for what they are. But at the same time we have to realize that it's better than the alternatives.

  • Theft is taking from others against their will

    The government uses the police to forcefully collect taxes. The government is not exempt from morality; it must be held to the same standards as you or me. If I were to rob you, no matter the intention behind the action, whether for charity or infrastructure or selfishness, it is still immoral. I violated your rights and took from you against your will. Just because the government does it and not an individuals does not mean it is stealing.

  • Yes and no.

    Theft is the taking of property without the owner's consent. Taxation is the taking of property from everyone who makes enough money through "legal" channels. Since many of the people who pay taxes do not consent, taxing them is theft. The only exception is when people who support taxation are taxed.

  • Coercion is theft

    Theft is the forcibly removal of capital. You cannot opt out of taxation. Thus, taxation is a legalized form of theft.

    Our ancestors held wars over a tax on tea and now we allow the government to get away with income tax. People need to understand that you don't need the government to watch over you like a parent. If public service actually needs to be done it can be done privately.

  • Tax is theft, otherwise it would be called charity!

    If you want to be the best group of thieves in any area, then you need to convince people within that area theft is wrong, immoral and unjust. You don't believe this obviously because you are thieves after all, but it's important for you to get others believing it. Then you call your group 'the government' and you claim moral validity over the people in the name of virtue, morality, freedom and justice. You then explain that your theft is actually something else, something different to theft. You explain it away as 'taxation' a food or fuel of sorts for the governments very existence. You then invent the social contract, a tool to bind people into paying: it's unilateral government to citizen and implicit, unsigned and not formal, but you can then claim the right to use force against the people under the guise of morality and justice through the social contract but you will need to give them a vote to change their government leader from time to time, this is only to give the impression that people have a choice, but obviously we know they have no choice but to pay their taxes, which is are main objective after all. Then you teach people that without the government to support them they would be destroyed by 'the enemy', that without the government there would be no jobs, without the government there would be no police, laws, army, schools, hospitals, roads, food, money, no infrastructure and no future for you or your children. You get the point, you make them so reliant on the government that they believe their greatest fears will come true unless the government is strong, healthy and well fed on taxes, so that the government can grow and provide more for the people but you are actually taking from the people. You make them believe in this system so much and so strongly that you end up with an unquestioned monopoly on taxation and a supportive populous agreeing on mass that taxes are moral and for the greater good. Then the people will be so propagandised and conflicted by this system of taxation that they will have debates on different media forums, as to whether tax is actually theft and whether it's good or bad. At this point it doesn't matter, you have all the weapons, technology and man power working for you. That's when you know that you've conquered the people's minds and hearts. That's when you know you've made it, you are now a tax Baron, just as a dairy farmer has cows you have tax cattle.

  • Lost My Federal Unemployment In NC Because NC Governor Changed The Rules And Feds Stopped Our Unemployment Here Starting JULY 1, 2013

    I paid my taxes to this country and to my state all my working life. They have stolen federal unemployment from us here in NC. They have eliminated all the 4 Tiers starting 7/1/13. NC state unemployment has been reduced to 20 weeks from 26 weeks. Please read my article and see what precedent is being set in NC by Gov. McCrory. He should be tried for theft just as I would go to jail for not paying NC taxes. In this case the governor is worse because he is denying all NC citizens the right to Federal Unemployment that we all paid into doing our working lives.

    Http://renovatingyourmind.Com/2013/06/07/renovating-your-mind-is-seeing-the-vaporization-of-middle-class-america-together-we-can-rehydrate-our-economic-status/

    Thank you all very much.
    RJK

  • Theft is Theft PERIOD

    Whether the money is used for health care or war is irrelevant. Forcing someone with the threat of violence to give them money is theft. It doesn't matter if it is given to someone else it is still and always will be THEFT. If a government fails to punish those who defend themselves enough to not pay taxes more people would stop paying. As long as people continue to feel they have a moral obligation to be robbed and resistance is futile, they will obediently continue to pay sometimes forgetting that the government is ready to use deadly force to ensure compliance.

  • Theft is Theft period.

    It doesn't matter whether the money is used for good or not. Forcing someone with the threat of violence to give them money is THEFT. Doesn't matter if it is given to someone else it is still and always will be THEFT. As long as people continue to feel they have a moral obligation to be robbed and resistance is futile they will obediently continue to pay sometimes forgetting that the government is ready to use deadly force to insure compliance.

  • Benefits no longer outweighed by costs

    Just how much is enough? I would say taxation becomes legalized theft when the amount taken is frivolous, wasteful, and no longer equals the value of the benefits provided back to the individual, and yes, larger society. The tax holiday is practically half way iinto the year. That means a tax paying citizen will pay about half of what he or she has in earnings to satisfy taxes. Income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, all together equal working half the year just to feed the government. I'm sorry, but for what the government provides in the way of services/infrastructure/protection does not equal what is being taken from us. And that, is theft.

  • We need to pay taxes to support infrastructure.

    Theft is the act of taking property from someone against their permission, with the additional stipend that it must also be illegal to do so.
    For example, towing the vehicle of a man who lost his license would be against his permission possibly, but is not theft because it is authorised by the state to do so.
    Taxes might be against the consent or permission of the people, but it is mandated (authorised) by the state and so cannot be theft.

  • No, taxation is necessary to secure public services.

    Taxation, in its proper form, is not legalized theft. Without taxation it would be impossible to receive many of the services that people cherish and need. For instance, schools, emergency services and sanitation services are all paid for with tax dollars. As such taxation is not a form of legalized theft.

  • You benefit from civilization, so you pay into it.

    Tax dollars gave you:
    -The internet
    -The microprocessor
    -The GPS
    -Tap water
    -Fire fighters
    -Public school
    -Roads
    etc.
    You benefit from these things, so you pay into it. I always hear conservatives complain about "moochers", but if you don't pay taxes, then you're the epitome of a moocher. If taxes were made optional, it would be a disaster since very few understand the good of taxes. Say goodbye to social security, medicare, medicaid, and so on.

  • How is this even debatable?

    Taxation is the right of the state and the responsibility of the citizen, as part of the social contract that we are all born into. It goes towards the construction and maintenance of roads, ensuring the water we drink is clean, to government anti-poverty programs and Social Security which relieves Americans of the crushing burden and financial responsibility of looking after their grandparents, their parents, and their children looking after them and has been remarkably effective in reducing poverty amongst the elderly. Yes there is wasteful spending, but waste and some forms of inefficiency are inherent in all systems.
    Taxation also serves as a useful tool in maintaining social stability, through such forms of taxation as the estate tax, at least lessening the ability of the richest to accrue more and more wealth through generational inheritance.
    The truly amazing part is, that most people that argue that taxation is a form of theft, usually advocate a relatively far more restricted government and the increased use of the private sector to fulfill certain needs and obligations, not realizing they advocate absolute tyranny by private forces with zero responsibility and even less accountability than the government.

  • Don't be stupid

    It's only theft if the US Government demanded money at gunpoint from citizens of Canada, or from the man who lives on the moon. As it is, anyone who lives in the US has benefited from the goods, services and socio-economic climate that has been created, sustained and continues to exist within the borders of the United States. You can't, unfortuntately, opt out although you are welcome to join the democratic debate to argue for a change of funding priorities - or for the dismantling of the entire United States and a return to nature.

  • Not always.

    It is possible for taxation to become legalized theft if the government starts taking a bunch of 'taxes' from you and then fails to provide you with anything in return. As it currently stands, taxation is more along the lines of legalized coercion into the purchase of certain services over which the government has a monopoly.

  • Taxation is not theft

    The market is an amoral and unthinking distributor of capital. Taxes are conscious redistribution to balance out the randomness of the market within a capitalist structure which tends to concentrate wealth very disproportionately. Civilizations are made of many people acting in roles of consumers,workers and miscellaneous other roles to form cohesive societies and money is sort of like blood that needs to be circulated to all parts of the body. When it is concentrated in one place the other parts wither and the overall "body" becomes unhealthy and there are problems and suffering.

  • Taxes are for your own good.

    Yes, it may seem like the government is taking money in the form of "taxes", but a lot of government services come from taxes. In Canada, it pays for the free health care. If it weren't for the taxes however, someone in an emergency must pay for his or her health care, but what is he or she was in a coma? That would mean that he or she must pay for treatment during an unconscious state or someone else would have to pay for the bill. Another thing is, if the government does not give any services such as free health care, the government is "paid" with the tax money, and technically the government is protecting the country's rights.

  • Taxes are for your own good.

    Yes, it may seem like the government is taking money in the form of "taxes", but a lot of government services come from taxes. In Canada, it pays for the free health care. If it weren't for the taxes however, someone in an emergency must pay for his or her health care, but what is he or she was in a coma? That would mean that he or she must pay for treatment during an unconscious state or someone else would have to pay for the bill. Another thing is, if the government does not give any services such as free health care, the government is "paid" with the tax money, and technically the government is protecting the country's rights.

  • Taxes not theft

    Taxes are not theft, they are a just and necessary form of regulation and not any more coercive than any other law that is backed by force.
    The market is an amoral and unthinking distributor of capital. Taxes are conscious redistribution to balance out the randomness of the market within a capitalist structure which tends to concentrate wealth very disproportionately. Civilizations are made of many people acting in roles of consumers,workers and miscellaneous other roles to form cohesive societies and money is sort of like blood that needs to be circulated to all parts of the body. When it is concentrated in one place the other parts wither and the overall "body" becomes unhealthy and there are problems and suffering.
    People are not completely independent economic entities, they require a society to function within that is an intermeshed relationship among people. Capitalism is a construct with imperfect rules that do not match needs of a society.
    If you want to be rich you need to have a society to create the apparatus that makes that wealth possible, and that apparatus requires a certain level of maintenance that meets the needs of people within that society to be happy and thrive and that requires a distribution of abundance that cannot be attained by allowing the market to appropriate wealth.


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