It's only self defense if you are actually defending yourself, not if you are going on the offensive. Even then, everyone involved needs to be punished. Otherwise, every kid that gets in a fight will claim it was "self-defense" in order to avoid punishment. Teachers and administrators have better things to do with their time than to try to determine who is telling the truth when everyone in a fight claims "self-defense".
Kids don't need to get into a fight regardless of who throws the first punch. It takes two to tango. Kids should be taught to walk away from the fight not to fight back. Teaching kids to fight back usually makes the kid more aggressive and prone to starting fights.
Some fights you can't walk away from. Sometimes contacting authorities and telling them about it does not resolve the conflict. Sometimes you need to discuss things with the person and if they start to attack, take them down with force. Get educated in the way of defensive wrestling or jiu jitsu and get them on the ground, choke them out, then tell the higher ups. Thats how I would resolve a conflict.
So when I was in junior high I guy would do things like shove me and call me a freak so one day he tries to push me in mud and I trip him on his face ( after he kicked me in the jaw and we started pushing and the teacher saw this but even though she saw him smash me in the face anyway she told the principal that we were "fighting" and my principle being the person he was said boys will be boys but I don't think all schools would act towards this the same way (like my friend at different school punched a guy once got suspended for 10 days ) and the only problem was (apparently I ruined his expensive shoes ) and got punished for that though lol 😂 funny story
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I think yes because if you get hit in the face I don't think that kids should just stand there and get hit. In my school if you are included in a fight you get either suspended or an in-school so you should just fight back, because maybe after the bully or attacker will leave you alone.
So you get suspended, have to go home. You tell your parents it was self defense. They believe you and then they let you do whatever the hell you want without punishment. You get to skip school let everyone know and not get punished! Oh ain't it heaven to lie?
If someone is physically able to punch back they are also able to walk away. If they choose to punch back instead of walk away it is not self defense. Punching back just escalates the situation and makes it worse. It does not help and should be punished as fighting.
When I was in middle school I was constantly bullied by this one kid. After multiple episodes of him throwing stuff in my face, I finally fought back. And he never harassed me again. Self-defense teaches kids self empowerment, and prevents physical confrontation in the long run. Just make sure you know how to defend yourself before getting into a fight.
I was bullied all through elementary and junior high. Called a chink, spit on, shoved, and jumped by more than one attacker. I started training at a boxing gym and eventually started picking off one bully at a time. By the time I was a senior in high school, no one dared to f*** with me. Don't tell kids not to fight back.
Most people who are suspended for "self defense" think of self defense of fighting back, and although that is a kind of self defense, people should be using the blocking punches or hits kind of self defense! There are also plenty of ways to avoid the fight but its up to you do actually avoid it and not get involved because getting involved is what is getting you suspended!
Almost every day for about 6-7 years, by the same kid. He'd follow me home, beat me up. He'd see me in public, punch me in the face. He saw me at the rink and would attack me on the ice.
One day however, it came to a head. This kid had his friends chase me around the school building and "capture" me, dragged me back to my bully in front of the entire student body for a beating. The first thing he did was slap me, then he shoved me almost enough to fall down.
I had a fist balled up inside my coat, I took it out and punched him square in the face - he threw one back, I blocked and kept punching him until he was bleeding and his friends had to pull me off.
He was a known problem to the school and before this, they had done nothing. NOTHING.
Did I deserve the suspension? Absolutely not. By today's standards, the school would be liable for a lawsuit - perhaps that should be the retaliation to unjust punishments for self defense.
Imagine this: you are walking down the street minding your own business. All of a sudden, somebody comes over and hits you in the face and starts kicking you. After a while, you can't take it anymore and you hit them back. Should you be arrested for it? I mean, you were just trying to get them to stop beating you, so you hit them back. Now imagine this with kids in schools. Kids can be very brutal, and if a kid is getting beat up, then he has every right to hit them back!
1. Before I got out of school, the most common thing I heard the staff say was "just walk away". Obviously they didn't take two seconds to think about this because it's simply not an option. If someone wants to hit you they aren't going to stop just because you start walking the other way. They'll just shove you against a wall and keep hitting you.
2.Other kids usually don't help either. One day I walked by two kids fighting in the hall (granted this was a fight not bullying) and all of the other students just formed a ring and watched. I'm willing to bet the same thing would happen in the case of bullying.
3. "Go and tell a teacher" also wouldn't work. My first argument also applies here. Besides that, unless you're right next to a room that a teacher is in, you're going to have to find one first. Bullies are actually smart enough not to bully right in front of a teacher, so you would have to turn around, run to the nearest room, and hope the teacher isn't out making some copies.
4. Doing anything other than defending yourself would just encourage the bully. If you tell a teacher, you make him mad. If a friend helps you out, they'll come back when your friend isn't around. If you run away, your a wuss and he picks on you for that.
My point is, defending yourself is the only way it's going to stop, so why should you be punished for solving the problem that the school won't or can't do anything about?
We even have "stand your ground" laws (which may be a little extreme at times). Why does a student lose the constitutional right to defend themself? If you don't ever stop the bullying, it will continue -- sometimes until it causes the victim to commit suicide, as has often happened.
I will put a disclaimer that as a U.S. Marine i may have a biased opinion on fighting in general. With that being said, in the context of the question I whole heatedly believe if you are defending your preservation of life or well being then you most absolutely have the right to fight back to stop the aggressor. That is where it ends though if you can successfully defend yourself and get away from situation and not go on the offensive then you should. For kids picking on each other the way they do today with cyber attacks and knock out games. If you can honestly say you would get attacked and just curl up into a ball and let your butt get beat then you should reflect of your life worth and find something to live for. Everyone's body is their own temple and the second you invade my space with extreme hostility i am going to send you to the nurse with a broken nose. That is not a threat but simply a promise. I do not Tolerate Bullying and if I witness it i would defiantly step in and help the victim.
If somebody punches you or tries to start a fight are u going to just stand around and let them. No. If somebody swung at you then you'd try to stop it. It's called reflexes. The rule in my family is if somebody starts it then you defend yourself and if they continue then you finish it. You shouldn't just stand around and let them beat you up because you don't want to get in trouble! Yes you can try going to a teacher but what if one isn't close enough before they try to get to you again? Run? Maybe. And if they catch you? Then What? Should the schools really suspend you for fighting back if it's the only option at the moment?
Here is a situation, where I again fail to see old wisdom. In this case, it's the age old idea that it doesn't matter who started it. Obviously it does matter, since if nobody ever started it, the confrontation wouldn't exist.
What's worse, is that this way of thinking has evolved into the idea that the victim MUST have instigated the fight, else why would they fight? This way of thinking is far worse, because it means that the victim, even if they didn't fight back whatsoever, and just took the beating, still gets punished.
It won't stop until u stand ur ground and fight back.
School is about learning so why can't we learn how to defend our-selfs from bullies and in the future from criminals.
What else are we supposed to do just stand there and let them hit us.
I have tried going to a teacher, and principle, and nobody did anything. So my dad say take it into ur own hands. Show them u shouldn't be pushed around and that u are not going to deal with there crap anymore.
Don't keep on hitting if the other person yields first. Don't chase after them punching them if they back off if you do then you are seen as the attacker. If they constantly keep persisting on following you then tell them to back off. If they don't then you fight.
All of you say that you should just walk away but, it isn’t that easy anymore. You can’t just simply walk away. How can you walk away when someone is throwing punches at you left and right? And on top of that, kids are taught to walk away and contact the nearest adult, so what? When they are ADULTS and they get assaulted are they supposed to walk away and tell an adult? No it’s stupid. I’m not saying we should teach kids how to fight I’m saying that it’s not logical to punish a kid for defending themselves.