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Should incest be accepted and legalized as gay marriage is?

Asked by: PinValentine
  • Wish people would stay out of other's lives.

    Everyone on the no side needs to calm down. Incest causes birth defects after the first generation and so on. Most of the royal family are products of incest. People need to calm themselves. What gives you all the right to decide who can love who? Last time I checked, your God decided all of this. And people have no problem producing children with horrible birth defects without incest.

  • Incest definitely should be accepted and legalized.

    Incest is misunderstood.

    People should be able to fall in love with who ever they want to fall in love with. That goes for the brother who falls in love with the sister. There is nothing wrong with that.

    Incest gets a bad rap because people think that it causes birth defects in the children. That isn't true. The child will likely have the same type of health that is in your family history. If your family history, as far as babies go, is relatively healthy, then you can expect a relativity healthy child.

    There are benefits to an incest relationship. These go from security in your partners sex history relating to sexual disease, to the strong likely hood that the couple will have a stronger and more loving relationship compared to non incest relationships.

    People should be aloud to love who they fall in love with. By telling people who are in a loving, long lasting, consensual, meaningful, and romantic incest relationship that their relationship is gross, sickly and wrong, then we are doing to them what the Christians and other people do to the gay community. There is a community of incest people who feel misunderstood, hated, and discriminated against because every one, not just religions people or polotitions, tell them that they are disgusting human beings. All this when most of us are just ignorant to the facts of relationships like theirs.

    I won't tell them they are wrong. I would rather try to help them get the rights they deserve.

  • If you support gay marriage and not incest marriage, then you are a hypocrite.

    I love people who support gay marriage but are against incest marriage, especially when they use the same arguments used against gay marriage. Like for example I asked someone, who was for gay marriage but against incest marriage, on why they were against incest marriage, and they told me because it is disgusting. Well then with that logic republicans could keep gay marriage ban just because they thought it was "disgusting". Then after that they would tell me that incest would case birth defects (well ever heard of condoms/abortions?). Also, just like gay couples, family-related couples would more likely adopt children, so that would help many children who are owned by the state. Anyway, if you are against gay marriage and incest marriage, then you are against freedom and liberty.

  • It's gross, but I see no legal, constitutional reason to make it illegal

    The only issue I find is if a family becomes so insulated that underage children are raised in an environment of indoctrination to promote this sort of incestuous lifestyle.

    A tremendous difference between this issue and same sex marriage, is the aspect of choice.

    Gay people do not choose to be gay, but incestuous people choose to be partners with their family members, regardless of hetero or homosexuality.

    A heterosexual man might find his sister beautiful, but he doesn't act on that aesthetic appreciation since they share the sibling bond. However, if he chooses to act on that attraction, rather than a natural attraction to other women, he is choosing to be incestuous.

    Gay people can't choose to be heterosexual, but heterosexual people can choose not to be incestuous.

  • Equality "Just For Some" Is Not Equality

    We should not confuse categories. Most people involved in consensual incest (consanguineous) relationships are heterosexual. Some LGBT people ARE in consensual incest relationships. Other LGBT people are supportive, some neutral, and some disgusted by the idea.

    As with interracial, adult intergenerational, or gay sex/marriage, there is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consanguineous sex or marriage. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in consanguineous sex or marriage, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we?

    Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. As I noted, some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

    Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

    Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

    Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either.

  • Only, if no babies

    The only reason to not allow incestuous relationships is if there are children born from these relationships. It is not right to give anyone a congenital birth defect due to bad genetic mixing. As such if there are no babies, who cares if a brother and sister are having sex. As long as they are responsible.

  • Yes, of course

    Incest, like homosexuality, defies what some regard as natural law. These people are committing a fallacious appeal to nature. That which is natural is not always good, and that which is unnatural is not always bad. If one were to live one's life in accordance with natural law then issues such as rape, war, infanticide etc. etc. would stop being problematic. Incest, like any sexual act, which involves force, coercion etc. is wrong, if it is consensual then there is absolutely no reason for why it ought to be considered morally repugnant. This repulsion is simply how your brain is hardwired, because something like incest is not best for the future of one's species, but there is no rational basis for this repulsion.

  • Mutual desire and consent can exist within families.

    I'm not certain whether or not consensual incest is legal, and while I'd be surprised if it isn't it definitely should be. The genetic relationship between two people does not determine how they will relate to each other as people, and if they find that they both want to have sex then it is their decision.

  • It should be a civil matter; not a criminal matter.

    !T's just a taboo. According to the Bible (Torah), people who enjoy partaking in a lobster meal on occasion are committing an abomination. For some reason, most Americans are more comfortable with the idea of two family members committing non consensual acts such as murder/abortion or physical abuse on one another than if two consenting family members were involved in a mutually beneficial non-platonic consanguineous relationship.

    There is an interesting case of a brother and sister in Massachusetts, one of the first states to legally recognize same-sex marriage, who claimed they were having sex as an alibi when they were accused of attempting to steal a big-screen television from a restaurant restroom. In Massachusetts, incest is punishable with up to twenty years of imprisonment whereas with theft, the maximum sentence is up to four years (check for accuracy). Of the two offenses, which one is victimless and should go unpunished in a criminal court proceeding?

    Things like this happen and are highly publicized and not prosecuted in some parts of the world. Eg. A brother-sister couple in Spain parented and conceived two healthy children together and have been living in a spousal relationship for over 30 years; however, they are not legally recognized as husband and wife. The brother just received legal recognition as father of their two children.

    I suppose all of the stigma behind consensual incest and sibling marriage is based on ignorance and bigotry. People have an irrational prejudice to consenting adults practicing incest. There is a stereotype that people who practice incest are mostly from the US states of Alabama and West Virginia. Because of this stereotype they will also believe it is legal in these states as well, which is untrue. However, in the states and countries where incest is actually legal, people seldom comment about the incestuous sexual practices and and the adverse effects of inbreeding of people from these places. With reliable birth control and eugenic counseling, reproduction is hardly an issue. Besides, all of us are products of incest at one point in history. According to Judeo-Christian beliefs, civilization began through incest and Charles Darwin, the man who developed the theory of evolution and natural selection was married to a biological family member.

    Also, incest is legal and/or decriminalized for consenting adults in many EU countries. I find it ironic that people in the USA are more comfortable talking about, and accepting woman's right to have an abortion - something that compromises a human life much too young for consent, than talk about and accept one's right to have sex or marry any consenting adult they choose. Of the two options, which act is victimless? Which is more harmful and infringes on one's right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? Why shouldn't consenting adults be allowed to marry anyone they chose regardless of consanguinity? You decide.

  • People should be free to do so.

    I think that people should have the freedom to do as they want. Granted incest is a little gross, but it is ultimately a matter of choice. So long as it is between two consensual adults, it isn't harming anyone else, and therefore has no reason to be a law.

    And to those who argue "But what about the children who are born as a result of incest.", answer this for me, what would you rather: To have been born slightly disfigured, or to never be born at all. When you see inbred children it isn't a matter of "If there parents hadn't inbred they wouldn't be like that" its a matter of "If there parents hadn't inbred they wouldn't be born in the first place."

  • Incest is abnormal and wrong, as is homosexuality.

    Homosexuality is not really universally accepted, and I believe that the person who asked this question is well aware of this. A society is made up of many different opinions, and the majority of opinions around the world are, in fact, pro-family, not pro-sodomy. 70% of Americans are Christian. In fact it is the "progressive" (read: dictatorial) liberals who try to ram their agendas down the throats of the electorate. Gay marriage has just been passed in my nation of New Zealand, regardless of the fact that 60% of the populace is against it. The fascist "progressives" got around this by holding "Select Committees" who hear and review public submissions to try and get snapshots of public opinion, as opposed to a binding referendum. However, if these people believe that the public is behind them, then what are they so afraid of? Why won't they hold a referendum? The answer is, because they do not care about the public. They think they are smarter, and more "enlightened". Yes, these "progressives" are dragging us back to the 19th century views of many arrogant politicians that they "just know better". Progressive my ass. Also, interestingly, somehow these people decided that it would be appropriate to have 3 homosexuals on this "committee". Yes, my friends, that's right: Democracy is finished in New Zealand.

    Moving on, incest IS a vile and disgusting practice. And yes, contrary to what another user on this site said about the issue, it does in fact cause abnormalities in the descendants of people who indulge in this sickening practice. Maybe no in the first, or even second generation, but it is an extremely widely known fact that incest does cause abnormalities. It's called inbreeding. Look it up.

    In conclusion;
    Incest is wrong.
    Homosexuality is wrong.
    They are both sexual perversions, and both equally repugnant. However, note that I said the practices are repugnant, NOT the people. Therefore there are no grounds to call me a "hateful bigot" or any other demonising, trendy liberal buzzword that liberals love to throw at people who don't agree with them. And these people call themselves "tolerant". Ha.

  • I don't agree with

    Gay marriage nor incest but it did happen in the Bible...Http://www.Gotquestions.Org/incest-in-the-Bible. But note that God commanded against it after there were enough families to reproduce without 'marrying' (having sex) with your siblings. It was called a sin, (a wrong doing) after there were enough people on earth. Three more words

  • Allowing marriage but perhaps restricting procreation is the best option

    Personally, I feel like two consenting adults should have the right to marry no matter what. However, there is significant evidence to support children created through incest have a much higher risk of birth defects and also less immune function/coverage. Males actually actually produce a hormone called andosterone which can be smelled in their sweat. Sweat also smells differently depending on what bacteria inhabits a person's body which is referred to as MHC ( major histocompatibility complex). Females are naturally attracted to the smell of men who have very different MHCs from them and are very unattractive to the smells of MHCs that are the same. This is thought to be to prevent incest in early humans. When you combine two sets of genes that are very similar you have create a less well rounded human and it's ultimately not advantageous for our species.
    Not to say two incestuous people could not be great and loving parents. And not all incestuous relationships need result in a biological child i.e. two people of the same sex
    It seems unfair to limit incestuous people in their right to have children but I feel like it's the only way to debunk almost every actual criticism against incest at this point.

  • Incest is wrong.

    God burned the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah for being perverted.
    Everyone deserves the right to not be taken advantage of. In today's society, everything is becoming more and more perverted. In order to stop this perversion we as the whole human race must say No to laws supporting perverted people.

  • Why is this a debate!

    How can you even tie the two subjects together? Not to mention issues that relate to consent, power and control within the incestious relationship!
    Incest creates birth defects, and let's face it, if you can't find a mate outside your own gene pool, then you probably need to be extinct!

  • Why is this even a question...?

    Let's just start with the evolutionary side to this issue. In this article: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201210/the-problem-incest we are told that both animals and plants have evolved in some way or another to deter the act of incest. It also goes on to say that we as humans have developed psychological and social mechanisms to also avoid incest.

    On top of that, there's the obvious problem on the physical side of things. Incest creates serious birth defects. The chart in the above link shows this to be a very obvious and very problematic effect. Children conceived from this act have a 50% chance of developing autosomal recessive disorder, congenital physical malformations, or severe intellectual disorders. Is it really any wonder why animals, plants, and, every human culture try to avoid incest?

    As time carries on, we should be learning how to grow intellectually, but it seems some of us are so wrapped up in feeding every one of our various baser pleasures that we would allow ourselves to move backward. This needs to end.

  • I don't agree with

    Gay marriage nor incest but it did happen in the Bible...Http://www.Gotquestions.Org/incest-in-the-Bible. But note that God commanded against it after there were enough families to reproduce without 'marrying' (having sex) with your siblings. It was called a sin, (a wrong doing) after there were enough people on earth. Three more words

  • No, it's not the same.

    The reasons for making sex between relatives illegal is because of the potential birth defects, and to prevent abuses of trust in family relationships.

    Whilst I agree that no one can control who they love, there are rational arguments for the illegality of incest, whilst there are none for criminalising homosexuality,

  • No no no

    You are BLOOD related!! Family!! There are so many things wrong with that and I'm not saying this because I'm of a certain religion but because it is ridiculous! Love whoever you want but there are various types of love for various people!! Not only is this dangerous especially if it leads to pregnancies, etc. but it's socially damaging!! Imagine the rest of the families pain they'd suffer from I mean god forbid I ever have a intimate relationship with anyone in my family!

  • Well YOU aren't we'll versed on the subject

    Incest does cause both defects I don't know who told you it doesn't I'm sure if you were to ask someone who has a degree in genetics or medicine they would tell you what incest does . Whomever told you incest is good lied only to further thier political agenda because you were dumb enough to fall for it.


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Ragnar says2014-06-23T17:01:06.693
If it should be or not, does not connect it to gay marriage any more than it connects it to inter-racial marriage. It stands as its own issue.
Formerland1 says2014-06-23T22:45:54.300
Maybe we should make a debate for this one its getting pretty intense