Currently its not illegal for a man or women, who had a sex change or pretends to be other than their birth sex, to engage in sexual intercourse or have relationships with people without first disclosing their birth sex. I believe laws have to change to reflect the changing world, and protect people of all sexual orientation.
Yesterday at a club my friend was talking to this girl all night long. Dancing hugging etc. Only for her to later tell him, "Before we go any farther I have to tell you I'm a TS" My friend was extremely mad and we had to stop him from seriously hurting it.
Many a transsexual has been beaten up or even killed for deceiving unsuspecting people. People who have been deceived in this manner shouldn't have to take matters in their own hands they should be able to have the law fight their battles. This sort of deceit is an equivalent to rape, and the people who do it should be labeled as sex offenders.
It doesn't matter how much a person believes they are one gender or another, the other party should always have the right to know the sex, or intersex one was born with. That is not trans phobia, lying about your current or former sex should be illegal. That is all
If it is something as severe as a gender change people have a right to know. If they engage in intercourse with a straight person, that person is giving consent to what they think is a member of the opposite gender but if this is not the case and it is a 'transexual tricking them' its comparable to rape. I personally would not want to have sex with another man, therefore if someone where to trick me into thinking they were a woman, i would consider this rape because it is unconsented
Why couldn't it be a transsexual tricking a gay person? Or not even a transsexual. Some people aren't transsexuals but are transvestites, that is to say they dress up as the opposite sex occasionally but they don't think of themselves as being or wanting to be the opposite sex.
Point 2, I don't think it should be considered nearly as serious as rape, you still consented to the sex though it wasn't fair that they tricked you. Nor do I think you should have to become a registered sex offender as another suggested. Nor do I think merely flirting, dating, or even kissing should be subject to this law. It shouldn't be that serious of an offense. In fact I think it should just be a tort. You should be able to sue someone over this, and that's it.
Other sorts of deception i.e. concerning age should be considered much more serious. If someone underage tricks another person as to their age that should result in jail time and them becoming a registered sex offender.
Not disclosing your birth sex is deceiving and causes trauma on someone who has been tricked in this way. It is wrong and should be disclosed up front in any relationship. No matter how many surgeries they have had they aren't their "new" sex genetically. Laws need to be put in place to protect people who are abused in this way by others.
I think that people that are deceptive about this personal an issue should be subject to civil suits. Also, people who have STDs and do not disclose it should be subject to paying damages and medical bills. It's just rotten changing appearance to the opposite sex and going for people who are looking for natural only. If you took it as far as suing over dyed hair or wigs, that might be taking it too far. Watch the Star Trek TNG episode where they introduce the Trill for the first time. It was all about this issue. What a jerk the Trill was for not telling a woman interested in men only and family life and having children that he's really a parasite that uses humanoid bodies for romance with humans, and what an idiot Dr. Crusher was. She jumped into the sack with it as quick as she could.
Trill: "Oh, sorry, I'll be a chick now for the next 40 years. We're still good for a Friday wedding, right?"
Dr. Crusher: "No, but maybe someday I'll be cool enough to set aside all my preferences and dreams for those of an inconsiderate interloper."
I don't have much to say on the matter, as everyone can see it's a clear moral issue. If it's wrong to not disclose to a person if you have Herpes or an STD just because you used a condom, I think it would be wrong to not tell someone that you were born a whole other gender. Outside of religious beliefs, some people have real issues with subjecting their body to someone of the same sex. They are heterosexual and have no desire to engage with the same sex--not just physically, but both spiritually and emotionally. You can say "Oh, it's not their business what a gender I was born", but it is their business who they choose to have sex with and engage in any type of relationship with. If you didn't want your choice of what you do to your body to be stripped away, why would you choose to strip the choice of what another does with theirs. If you're completely comfortable with who you are, then you should get with others who are informed and comfortable with who you are as well.
Let's be honest, you cannot make an informed decision when facts or aspect are withheld. Furthermore, for the "Nay Sayers" that claim "It's not fraud, they are a girl and/or guy now" well, it doesn't negate the fact that at one point in their life they were the other gender (and born that gender as well). The kind of stance of "It's who they are now" is about as logical as a pedophile living next door and defending that they needn't register as a sex offender because "Hey, that was the past. It's not who they are now". People deserve the right to make informed decisions, plain and simple.
The victim is traumatized as if they had been raped, so the penalty should be equivalent to rape. In the absence of law, trannies think nothing of it, and some of them have been murdered as a result. A strict law against tranny tricking may have spared the victim from the mental anguish and saved the life of the tranny.
It is not any mistake of God what gender you are born. Nor is it any natural cause for one to be attracted to their own sex. It is sin and reprobate mind that chooses to partake in such a change or such a lifestyle. Furthermore, It is deplorable that one would take matters in to their own hands and have an unnatural surgery to make them become an unnatural being. Did you not know,
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind(homosexuality), Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Whether or not we lived in a system that was governed by a Christian theocracy, it is more than a travesty for one to lie about their natural birth, and what they have unnaturally become. Doing such to manifest unnatural lust for the same sex, or even, a different sex in an altered body is evil in it's purest sense. This in turn can break the victim, yes victim, down when they come to find the truth. In no way should anyone have the right to do this to someone without truth and permission first!
Seriously? Who, aside from characters in sitcoms, has this been an issue for? Transsexual are not out "tricking" people. This is just some fear thing. Its like bathrooms. What is the fear everyone has with transsexual using bathrooms? What are you all doing in the bathroom that makes you fear another person using a stall?
But when a transgender/transexual person is in a romantic relationship they arent trying to trick you. For one its very difficult to break that news to a potential romantic partener for fear if their reaction.
Another thing: If fir example a transgender/sexual woman wants go date you and tells you she is a woman or you just assume that, she insnt lying or tricking you. She is a woman. She is telling the truth.
It's not tricking. Shes a woman now. Maybe you should ask beforehand, however if you have a DNA fetish instead of a sexual or emotional attraction then maybe you are the one at fault and not the trans person. I do not understand what the big deal is with this.
Transsexual people don't intend to 'trick' people into thinking they are one sex or another because they are both. I think it's a personal topic and a person doesn't have to be open about them being transsexual unless they are comfortable telling someone they are trans. They are not tricking society. Besides, the question states 'Should it be illegal for a transsexual to trick a straight person' I see two flaws with the question as they are not 'tricking' people and the second flaw would be using the words 'straight person'. Transsexual people don't just 'trick' straight people, they can 'trick' homosexual or asexual people as well. Besides, using the word 'trick' isn't right in context as they aren't trying to confuse people, they were probably confused themselves at one point in their life. I believe it is their choice to tell people about their gender.
It's always been considered wise to get to know and be personal with the person you're sleeping with. Those who choose not to do so are taking more risk than just sleeping with the same sex. Few transsexuals are even attempting to "trick" those they encounter, they don't owe anyone an explanation for why they are who they are.
I don't think it should be illegal. People should get to know someone before they engage in sexual intercourse. Granted, you probably won't know this when you meet someone at the bar so this leads into someone's "religion and morals" comment. If you sleep with someone the first time you meet them then you are more than likely breaking your religious beliefs by have sex outside of wedlock and you morals are pretty low to be sleeping with some RANDOM person that you just met. Therefor that makes you no better than the person that tricked you.
You should take a look before she has your ankles in the air saying this won't hurt. Maybe your bias and think it is ok to get head but not give it, that's ok I'm the same way. But to make it illegal is as dumb as the person that thinks they got "tricked". Personally I don't tongue a girl unless my fingers get wet.
It does not matter how old you are or what you think you know; you can't always have your own way. People just need to learn to stop bragging, and respect people. Priests should only marry a man and woman, not same sex couples or transsexuals. Is this not obvious?
Anyone who goes to great lengths to deceive and gets a thrill out of it is an abuser. In the case of transgender. This should be required to disclose to allow the other party to choose. If this is taken from that person sexually. IT IS SEXUAL ABUSE! Bottom line. Yes this constitutes a Sexual Abuse Case! Another deception is statue of limitations. This is BULL! There is no Statue. States may TRY to claim it with false law. This leaves them to wide open for a law suit against the state. There is NO statue on ANY SEXUAL ABUSE CASE. This is due to the proven long term effects of this horrendous kind of abuse.
It should not be illegal.
But I don't think deception is ok. Some people here are so desperate to prove how accepting they are that they reduce all counter arguments to "DNA fetish". This is a thoroughly wrong and close-minded way of looking at this complex matter.
Trans people deserve acceptance, basic rights, and respect just like cis people. Now, some people are attracted to trans people, some people are not. You can't force someone to say they are attracted to trans people to prove how accepting they are. Acceptance and attraction are two very different things.
And please don't pretend like there isn't a difference between a trans female and a cis female. There is a reason we have two different terms for it.
For me, If someone was born with a penis, that makes me uncomfortable having sex with them. I accept them for who they are and I wish them luck in finding a significant other. I just don't want to have sex with them. End of story. I shouldn't have to go have sex with a transsexual person to prove how open-minded I am.