Currently its not illegal for a man or women, who had a sex change or pretends to be other than their birth sex, to engage in sexual intercourse or have relationships with people without first disclosing their birth sex. I believe laws have to change to reflect the changing world, and protect people of all sexual orientation.
Yesterday at a club my friend was talking to this girl all night long. Dancing hugging etc. Only for her to later tell him, "Before we go any farther I have to tell you I'm a TS" My friend was extremely mad and we had to stop him from seriously hurting it.
Many a transsexual has been beaten up or even killed for deceiving unsuspecting people. People who have been deceived in this manner shouldn't have to take matters in their own hands they should be able to have the law fight their battles. This sort of deceit is an equivalent to rape, and the people who do it should be labeled as sex offenders.
It doesn't matter how much a person believes they are one gender or another, the other party should always have the right to know the sex, or intersex one was born with. That is not trans phobia, lying about your current or former sex should be illegal. That is all
If it is something as severe as a gender change people have a right to know. If they engage in intercourse with a straight person, that person is giving consent to what they think is a member of the opposite gender but if this is not the case and it is a 'transexual tricking them' its comparable to rape. I personally would not want to have sex with another man, therefore if someone where to trick me into thinking they were a woman, i would consider this rape because it is unconsented
Why couldn't it be a transsexual tricking a gay person? Or not even a transsexual. Some people aren't transsexuals but are transvestites, that is to say they dress up as the opposite sex occasionally but they don't think of themselves as being or wanting to be the opposite sex.
Point 2, I don't think it should be considered nearly as serious as rape, you still consented to the sex though it wasn't fair that they tricked you. Nor do I think you should have to become a registered sex offender as another suggested. Nor do I think merely flirting, dating, or even kissing should be subject to this law. It shouldn't be that serious of an offense. In fact I think it should just be a tort. You should be able to sue someone over this, and that's it.
Other sorts of deception i.e. concerning age should be considered much more serious. If someone underage tricks another person as to their age that should result in jail time and them becoming a registered sex offender.
Not disclosing your birth sex is deceiving and causes trauma on someone who has been tricked in this way. It is wrong and should be disclosed up front in any relationship. No matter how many surgeries they have had they aren't their "new" sex genetically. Laws need to be put in place to protect people who are abused in this way by others.
I think that people that are deceptive about this personal an issue should be subject to civil suits. Also, people who have STDs and do not disclose it should be subject to paying damages and medical bills. It's just rotten changing appearance to the opposite sex and going for people who are looking for natural only. If you took it as far as suing over dyed hair or wigs, that might be taking it too far. Watch the Star Trek TNG episode where they introduce the Trill for the first time. It was all about this issue. What a jerk the Trill was for not telling a woman interested in men only and family life and having children that he's really a parasite that uses humanoid bodies for romance with humans, and what an idiot Dr. Crusher was. She jumped into the sack with it as quick as she could.
Trill: "Oh, sorry, I'll be a chick now for the next 40 years. We're still good for a Friday wedding, right?"
Dr. Crusher: "No, but maybe someday I'll be cool enough to set aside all my preferences and dreams for those of an inconsiderate interloper."
It may not be the same as having a disease or drugging someone but it's close and can cause emotional damage for a straight man to have sex with a transwoman not knowing she is biologically a man. (or a straight woman with a transman, or a homosexual man/woman with the biological opposite sex person) It's fraud and deceptive and akin to rape, because you are forcing someone to believe you are something you are not and then taking advantage of them. Violating them and their body.
I don't care what the sjw say. Letting a straight person know that they had sex with someone that is once make would scar them forever. I would personally never want a once man to be on my sex history. In fact I am extremely picky regarding to my sex history.
To hide what you were born as is lying. Plain and simple. You are certainly trying to trick someone the same as posing like a good neighbor and giving the kids candy while luring them closer to your house. Someone said over there-> "by telling someone what you used to be may hinder the prospects of a relationship." Yes idiot! You're right! As long as there is no law to disclose that you CHOSE to be something else, there is no law saying how it should be handled by a satisfied being born as person to beat you into the earth, call the police (non choosers) and have them assist in beating you some f-ing more.
1) Demanding that people be willing to date transsexuals and trying to guilt them into doing so with accusations of "transphobia" is tantamount to abuse, coercion, and rape. It's horrifying that a group can cry about discrimination and a violation of human rights because some people are uncomfortable having sex with them. 2) Lying about sexual history is dangerous. Transwomen have different potential for STIs than cis women do, and transmen have different STIs than cis men do. Partners need to be aware of this. 3) Even though being trans is a sociosis now, it's considered a mental illness in most of the world. Most trans people have comorbid mental illnesses (medically proven fact) and people have a right to know if their partner is potentially unstable. I say this as a person with depression issues who always tells dating partners up front. 4) Sexual assault exists, and sexual assault by trans people exists. If someone has a history of being abused by a trans individual, having another one "trick" them is especially traumatic and cruel. 5) Most people ultimately want children of their own, they want families. Trans people can not fulfill this. And no, this is nothing like dating a cis person who discovers they are barren or sterile. 6) Finally, as someone who used to identify as agender wanted to transition as male before I realized that I was simply suffering from misogyny and that pretending to be a man and undergoing irreversible medical changes would only contribute to my problem, I have discovered that the trans community is a very uncomfortable place, rife with self-loathing, misogyny, peer pressure, and abuse.
I would never again willingly date a trans person (I have. It was a bad experience where I spent half the time listening to them complain about oppression and the other half of the time being made to feel bad for being a woman, because they hated being AFAB and wanted to make sure I always knew how much being a girl sucked), and find it horrifying that trans people out there feel like they have a RIGHT to lie to people. Whatever they want to believe, a transwoman is not the same as a woman, and a transman is not the same as a man. Sexual orientation is not about feelings. It's not about medical interference. It's cruel to drag an unknowing individual into one's own mire of gender & sex confusion.
Seriously? Who, aside from characters in sitcoms, has this been an issue for? Transsexual are not out "tricking" people. This is just some fear thing. Its like bathrooms. What is the fear everyone has with transsexual using bathrooms? What are you all doing in the bathroom that makes you fear another person using a stall?
But when a transgender/transexual person is in a romantic relationship they arent trying to trick you. For one its very difficult to break that news to a potential romantic partener for fear if their reaction.
Another thing: If fir example a transgender/sexual woman wants go date you and tells you she is a woman or you just assume that, she insnt lying or tricking you. She is a woman. She is telling the truth.
It's not tricking. Shes a woman now. Maybe you should ask beforehand, however if you have a DNA fetish instead of a sexual or emotional attraction then maybe you are the one at fault and not the trans person. I do not understand what the big deal is with this.
Transsexual people don't intend to 'trick' people into thinking they are one sex or another because they are both. I think it's a personal topic and a person doesn't have to be open about them being transsexual unless they are comfortable telling someone they are trans. They are not tricking society. Besides, the question states 'Should it be illegal for a transsexual to trick a straight person' I see two flaws with the question as they are not 'tricking' people and the second flaw would be using the words 'straight person'. Transsexual people don't just 'trick' straight people, they can 'trick' homosexual or asexual people as well. Besides, using the word 'trick' isn't right in context as they aren't trying to confuse people, they were probably confused themselves at one point in their life. I believe it is their choice to tell people about their gender.
It's always been considered wise to get to know and be personal with the person you're sleeping with. Those who choose not to do so are taking more risk than just sleeping with the same sex. Few transsexuals are even attempting to "trick" those they encounter, they don't owe anyone an explanation for why they are who they are.
I don't think it should be illegal. People should get to know someone before they engage in sexual intercourse. Granted, you probably won't know this when you meet someone at the bar so this leads into someone's "religion and morals" comment. If you sleep with someone the first time you meet them then you are more than likely breaking your religious beliefs by have sex outside of wedlock and you morals are pretty low to be sleeping with some RANDOM person that you just met. Therefor that makes you no better than the person that tricked you.
You should take a look before she has your ankles in the air saying this won't hurt. Maybe your bias and think it is ok to get head but not give it, that's ok I'm the same way. But to make it illegal is as dumb as the person that thinks they got "tricked". Personally I don't tongue a girl unless my fingers get wet.
It does not matter how old you are or what you think you know; you can't always have your own way. People just need to learn to stop bragging, and respect people. Priests should only marry a man and woman, not same sex couples or transsexuals. Is this not obvious?
Anyone who goes to great lengths to deceive and gets a thrill out of it is an abuser. In the case of transgender. This should be required to disclose to allow the other party to choose. If this is taken from that person sexually. IT IS SEXUAL ABUSE! Bottom line. Yes this constitutes a Sexual Abuse Case! Another deception is statue of limitations. This is BULL! There is no Statue. States may TRY to claim it with false law. This leaves them to wide open for a law suit against the state. There is NO statue on ANY SEXUAL ABUSE CASE. This is due to the proven long term effects of this horrendous kind of abuse.
It should not be illegal.
But I don't think deception is ok. Some people here are so desperate to prove how accepting they are that they reduce all counter arguments to "DNA fetish". This is a thoroughly wrong and close-minded way of looking at this complex matter.
Trans people deserve acceptance, basic rights, and respect just like cis people. Now, some people are attracted to trans people, some people are not. You can't force someone to say they are attracted to trans people to prove how accepting they are. Acceptance and attraction are two very different things.
And please don't pretend like there isn't a difference between a trans female and a cis female. There is a reason we have two different terms for it.
For me, If someone was born with a penis, that makes me uncomfortable having sex with them. I accept them for who they are and I wish them luck in finding a significant other. I just don't want to have sex with them. End of story. I shouldn't have to go have sex with a transsexual person to prove how open-minded I am.