Should obese people pay for two airline seats? |
Fat people should pay more
Obese people they should lose weight or pay more. It's not fair if we have to sit there slouched over, because they are too obese. It's not our fault that they are just that big, so why do they pay the same amount? Everybody should stand up, and say they need to pay more.
Posted by: AnonymousPay by weight.
I fly internationally at least once a year and it is a nightmare being seated next to an obese person who takes up half my seat squashing me into a corner. I paid for my seat so I'm entitled to use it with the same degree of comfort as the fat person using both their seat and mine.
Posted by: AnonymousAsk for waist size when buying ticket.
If your waist is of a certain size or larger you should be charged an extra seat. When you buy a ticket online there should be a part were you put your waist size in. And it should say your waist size on your ticket as well. And if you lie and say your waist is 32' and you show up to the ticket counter and your waist is actually 82' then you will be charged an extra seat or will not be allowed on at all if its already booked. They could put that into an agreement you accept when you purchase your ticket. That IS fair because you provided false information and like others have said it's unfair to the people sitting next to them. It is the fat persons fault they are that size. I have no sympathy for them. The more space you take up, the more you have to pay! Plain and simple and fair to all.
Posted by: mullinsLet's do the math.
What is heavier for the airplane to carry? A 400 pound man or a 170 pound man? Why must we pay absurd amounts for excess weight in the luggage whereas everyone pays the same price independently from their own weight? It's an outrage to both other people's comfort and other people's pocket.
Posted by: AnonymousPhysics + Safety
Physics - it requires more work for the plane (hence more fuel) to move a heavier object. So in order for airlines to make a decent profit, they need to charge more, or just have those who take up two seats, pay for two seats. Seating is limited, and when you're taking up more than one seat, you should pay for more than one seat.
Safety - I'd like to know how it's safe to be stuck next to someone who's lodged into one seat and can't get out without struggling.Posted by: AnonymousFor airlines to remain solvent, they need all seats paid. If you need two seat due to your physical size, you pay for two seats!
The heavier the airplane, the more fuel it takes to fly the airplane. Obese people weigh more so they should pay more, if the various airlines can no longer (since passenger flights were first started) pay for the heavy person to fly. If someone must have two seats due to their large size, then they need to pay for two seats since airlines can no longer "subsidize" the heavy person's size and need for 2 seats. Maybe paying more for airline tickets to go see a beloved family member or friend, will motivate them to get help in losing their weight. Obesity which usually causes type 2 diabetes is a serious health condition!
Posted by: AnonymousObese people should have to pay for two plane/movie theater tickets, or else I get only half.
An obese woman sat to my mother on an airplane. First of all, the lady took up half of my mother's chair, second the farting the whole way! What is the point in paying for a lane ticket to reserve a seat, if you are only going to get half of it? With that being said, I vote YES to making overweight people buy two plane tickets!
Posted by: AnonymousObesity is 99% preventable.
Less than one percent of the obese people can't help being fat, but the other 99% can. Why must those buying a seat on an airline who have controlled their weight be uncomfortable by being squeezed in between these obese people? Its time the obese pay for their selfish indulgence.
Posted by: AnonymousNormal seats are for normal people.
There is a standard in plane seat size, and if you are obese and therefore not standard size, you should pay for 2 seats. Or at least pay half to the one next to you, for stealing half of his space(if he agrees to that). If I pay full price for a plane ticket, I want full space.
Posted by: AnonymousEspecially if they take up another person's space.
The real key is that there are innocents - those that bought a seat and are crowded out by those that, even if the arms come down, spill over into the seat next to them forcing a person against the aisle or window. Airlines should refund their seat, which would motivate the airlines to actually charge those that are too big to fit into the airline's overly small seats.
Posted by: AnonymousObesity is a choice, plain and simple.
Unless obese people can give a reasonable explanation to why they're fat (like a genetic disorder), they don't really have an excuse. Maybe they should have thought about the expensive airline tickets when they were stuffing themselves with pies and cakes. The airline shouldn't be expected to hand out free seats to people and lose their own revenue.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, if You're Charged by Seat.
The point is not to punish fat people. It is to pay for the extra seat that could have gone to another paying customer. My unhealthy smoking or drinking in my free time does not cost the airline any money like having to give up extra unpaid for seats would.
Posted by: AnonymousI'm a Bigger gal and
I say that they make the seats bigger, because in this day and age the mass of society is a lot larger. It isn't fair for a bigger person to utilize the seat of someone sitting next to them, the regular sized person shouldn't have to pay for space bigger people are utilizing. Plain and simple. You can't ask someone to pay full price for a service then force them to use only partial of what they paid for. Id think it'd almost be a consumer affairs ordeal.
Posted by: AnonymousWe're uncomfortable too.
Everyone just says how the smaller people are uncomfortable and the big people don't care. That's so not the case. I'm a big girl and even I'm uncomfortable sitting in those cramped seats! Its not like we want to encroach on others space. So if I have to buy two so that I and the others around me are comfortable then I definitely will.
Posted by: AnonymousPassengers should have to pay for two seats if they cannot fit into one.
I believe that obese passengers should have to pay for two seats if they cannot fit into one. When people book their tickets, information should be given regarding the size of the seat and a disclaimer issued that a passenger must fit comfortably into one seat with seat belt secured and not encroach on the seats of passengers seated next to them or risk being asked to leave the flight without a refund.
It would be nice for airlines to offer wider seats for obese passengers, but if they did the number would probably be limited. With the number of obese passengers growing (pardon) those seats would book up fast, so the 2 seat purchase would no doubt have to be deployed anyway.
Perhaps it's humiliating and not nice, but most of the flights these days are full so if a person of size has booked only 1 seat, it is likely they will spill over into the seat next to them and that is totally unfair to that passenger. It's more of an injustice than charging the obese passenger more to fly.Posted by: marvinkmooneyYes, obese people should pay for two seats, because they take up more than one seat space.
Obesity is usually due to overeating and inactivity, not a medical consideration one cannot help. Sitting beside someone who takes up more than their fair share of the room is uncomfortable, and unfair to the person who also paid for one seat.
Posted by: N3vinFaceIts their fault they're overweight.
I understand that some people are obese from health reasons but they should be controlling what they eat even more. The people around them shouldn't have to suffer with them, we have our own problems we're dealing with. For most people it is already uncomfortable to fly on an airplane but to be crushed by an obese person next to you because they were too cheap to buy another ticket is ridiculous. People with small children and babies buy another seat so do some people with pets, so why do obese people deserve special treatment? They haven't done anything to deserve it.
Posted by: AnonymousHow embarrasing all-round!
I flew Trans-at, a year back. The person on the inside seat, weighed more than 350lbs. He could not get the seat belt to do up, nor could he put the armrest down. For 9+ hours, I sat on a tiny portion of my seat, whilst 80-90% of the room, was taken-up by the obese guy.
Within an hour, his body odour became increasingly overpowering! After 2 hours, it became unbearable! I barely made it to the wash-rooms 3 times, to vomit, as did many passengers in front, and behind us!
I could not use my own sea belt, as it was buried beneath my fellow passenger! I was also forced against the outside arm-rest for the flight, as staff insisted I use it, for 'safety reasons'! His sole comment, throughout the flight, was to complain to me, that "Modern aircraft, are constantly reducing the available seat-space!" No hint, that he may have been entirely at fault, due to his choice of embracing gross obesity as a life-style!
Curiously, prior to boarding, I was charged for overweight baggage? (2 kilos) One assumes, he paid nothing, for the two-person weight, he carried aboard!
The staff ensured, my complaints had scorn poured on me, for daring to complain about my situation! I was told in no uncertain terms, I should have much more understanding and sympathy, for a 'disabled' person!!Posted by: AnonymousAirlines need to keep a close eye on the weight their planes carry for safety reasons; if a person weighs the equivalent of two people, they need to pay for that.
Obesity is a serious problem in the US. There are natural consequences that occur as a result. Airlines need to pay strict attention to the weight of their planes to prevent accidents or problems, so no matter what the weight is made up of - be it packaging, overhead baggage or people - the total amount of weight must be taken into consideration. If a person's weight makes up enough for 2 typical seats, they need to pay the price.
Posted by: Ramon Griffith"The Simpsons" TV show comes to life
Sorry, morbid obesity from overeating is not a handicap. For it to be a handicap, the burden of proof should be with the obese person to show it is a glandular problem and nothing could have been done, as opposed to just eating and no exercise. I remember watching "The Simpsons" where Bart eats and eats to be over 300 pounds to get government paychecks and not have to work. At the time it was a comedy show, now its no longer funny as it is becoming real life. Republicans are no better as governor John Casick gave an overeating 450 lb obese murderer (deliberately gained 200 lbs in prison) clemency, and let him serve his time in a hospital at a cost of 6 million dollars and rising to the Ohio taxpayers. What about the rest of us responsible people who are unfairly encroached upon by sweaty flab? Everything's a disability now, including being a criminal, and I'm paying for it in tax dollars and higher fees. Now a days, it is us normal people who are being marginalized. I will look for the airline that has a policy. The airline which measures and weighs passengers will get my business, because they are looking out for me and other normal people.
Posted by: AnonymousYES
I think if there are empty seats available, then a heavy person should be accomodated. However, if it is a full flight and the heavy person is going to be infringing on someone elses paid space, then yes, I think they should have to either purchase a second seat, or at the very least offer to pay a portion of the persons airfare who is being squished out of their space. More than personal space issues, my concern is more about total weight the aircraft can safely carry. I think if each passenger has the same weight limit....personal weight plus luggage, then safety of the plane is assured
Posted by: AnonymousTwo seats, twice the price
If someone of a larger mass is going to take up two seats, they should pay for the two seats. It's not fair for the airline to have to pay or boot off "normal" sized people because an obese person feels they have the right to two seats for the price of one.
Posted by: Anonymoustotally agree they should
The fuel cost of harboring a obese person is extreme. For a 10 hour flight it cost 3000 dollars per kg. This helps minor airlines to strive and earn profit. And it is very uncomfortable to be in a 10 hr flight sitting next to a obese so that's why I think charging them extra is right.
Posted by: AnonymousBecause of their size and weight.
Me and my wife do not weigh 18 stone between us and when we got charged £40 for the extra weight of three bottles of vodka I saw in the next queue three very large people bound for the same plane - two adults who were around 20 stone each, and their daughter who looked about 10 yrs old was around 12 stone. When I pointed this out it seemed discriminating.
Posted by: AnonymousMakes sense
While I wouldn't want someone to feel discriminated against, it only makes sense we all have to pay for the weight incurred by our person and our baggage (and the person in your baggage). The only other fair option would be to seat all the obese people in the same section to prevent us skinny guys from spending our flights leaning into the aisle.
Posted by: AnonymousBe respectful of the fact there are people sitting around you.
On a 10 or more hour flight, it would be horrible for the people sitting beside an obese person. The uncomfortable sitting positions are just a start. It would be extremely difficult for the people around you to have a comfortable flight. I honestly don't care if you're obese, but not at the cost of affecting the people sitting beside you.
Posted by: AnonymousObese people should have to pay for an extra seat on a plane, it will help make everyone more comfortable.
It is not right for people who do take care of themselves to be stuck or smashed in the window seat of a plane because someone that does not take care of their body is right next to them. Making obese people purchase an extra seat will make the ride much more comfortable for everyone on board and possibly make them realize that they may need help with their obesity issue.
Posted by: 53r3n3IsaacYes I do
Believe that obese people should pay more. If an obese person takes up two seats they should pay for two seats. The airplane can only hold so many people and so much fuel. An obese person will take up more seats then they should have to pay for more fuel to carry them to their destination.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, fat is controllable.
If you choose to not loose weight and be healthy like all of those who do, you need to pay for the amount of space you use. If I bring a bag to big to fit in the overhead bin, I have to check it in and I pay extra for that bag rather than make it uncomfortable trying to fit it in the overhead bin. You people that talk about disabilities comparing obese to a disability. Yes, there are some obese people that are like that because of a medical issue, those are the exceptions. However, most people are fat because they won't put the fork down and they just keep on eating and not working it off. So if you choose to not loose weight, then you should pay for the amount of tickets you need for space.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's just Logical.
You can't force airline companies to pay more just to accommodate them. Wider seats? Then that would mean less space and less people available. Wider planes? Nope, because airplanes have standards to follow and they might not be able to fit on the runway. The other passengers? We're not paying to be uncomfortable because someone else didn't want the discomfort of eating less or exercising.
If it pisses you off that you actually paid for 2 plane tickets, I suggest using that money for gym or some professional help if you have physical or mental problems (like depression). For me, the only exception is if they have glandular problems or something similar that makes it very hard or impossible to lose weight.Posted by: AnonymousIf you don't fit in a seat, the person next to you should not have to give up there space they paid for.
Fat people should be charged. How is it fair that I pay more for my over 50lbs suitcase but the 300 pound person flowing into my seat has to pay nothing extra. I paid for my seat and it pisses me off when a fat person takes up my space. If fat people don't like it they can rent a car or diet.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, I think if obese people cannot show their obesity is related to any medical condition they should pay for two tickets.
Obesity without any underlying medical condition is the result of plain laziness and greed on the individual's part. Just like if I decide to have a child it means I am willing to pay for his/her seat, so if you have decided to be obese, you should be ready to pay the price of any number of seats that you need to fly.
Posted by: Wolfe66I agree that an obese person who cannot fit into one seat should have to pay for two to protect the comfort of other people.
Since airplanes are designed to hold "regular" size people than an obese person who cannot comfortably or safely sit in a "regular" seat should have to pay for two. Until the day comes when there are specially designed seats or sections on planes to accommodate obese people then they should have to pay for two seats.
Posted by: SlayrKalleYes they should!
Most obese people take up MORE THAN 1 seat, thus lifting up the armrest and letting themselves roll on over to the next seat. Not fair to a passenger buying a seat for themselves, they didn't buy it to share with someone. From actual experience from this it makes your flight uncomfortable and unpleasant having no "bubble" room for yourself. Obese people must pay more.
Posted by: AnonymousI agree that obese people should pay for two seats if they cannot fit into one seat.
Obese people should be required to purchase two seats if they cannot fit into one seat without overlap into the passenger seats next to them. The reason for my belief is that it can be extremely uncomfortable to sit next to an obese person if they overlap into your seat.
Posted by: tadaoantonioIt's only fair
This is not discrimination nor a punishment. If you take up more than one seat, then you should pay for more than one seat. It's that simple. I know that being morbidly overweight can be extremely difficult, my own father is. But if he flies, he should buy two seats too. It's not fair to the person next to you. They should be allowed the full seat they paid for; when someone spills over into that seat, it is very uncomfortable. Especially on long flights. Many argue "why should the obsese be penalized?" Well why should a normal sized person lose half of his/her seat - isn't that penalizing them?
Posted by: AnonymousYes, obese people should pay for two airline seats.
This would encourage them to loose weight in order not to pay extra. Once one knows that they are about to travel, then they will embark on a weight loss regime before their plans. This will benefit the individual, the airline and other passengers for comfort. I am not criticizing but just discussing.
Posted by: AnonymousIf you can't fit into one, you need to pay for two.
If a fat person can't fit into one seat and they take up two seats, they should have to pay for it. They are USING two seats, so they need to PAY for two seats. Yes, I agree, it's humiliating, but it's not fair to other people if they can't get a seat because a fat person is using it.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's common sense.
If you use twice as much of a resource, then you should pay twice as much. I don't care if you can't help your weight either - it may not be something you can help, but I sure as hell shouldn't have to suffer because of your problem. It's the hand you were dealt, so take responsibility and do what needs to be done.
Posted by: AnonymousBe respectful of the fact there are people sitting around you.
A 10 or more hour flight is horrible for the people sitting beside an obese person. The uncomfortable sitting positions are just a start. It is extremely difficult for the people around you to have a comfortable flight. I honestly don't care if you're obese, but not at the cost of affecting the people sitting beside you.
Posted by: AnonymousObese people should pay for two seats if they need extra room.
I don't think this is a discrimination issue because essentially by asking obese people to pay for two tickets if they take up the space of two people, you are just requiring them to pay for the level of service they require. It is the same as charging for two plates of food (as long as it isn't an all you can eat buffet!) Thus, it is not a matter of prejudice or unfair treatment.
Posted by: Th4FireMost definitely
If they cannot fit in just one seat they should have to pay for the ones they are spilling over into. I am no small person myself but I don't take up 2 seats anywhere I go. If they are that big to take up two seats, paying for both should give them some incentive to lose weight.
Posted by: acschaeferI do agree that obese people should have to pay for two airline seats.
With the weight limits on airplanes it is only expected that someone that weighs much more then the average person should have to pay for two tickets. If the plane is not able to take as many passengers with an obese passenger then they should somehow be compensated. Otherwise the airlines would just have to raise the price of the tickets for everyone to make sure there cost were covered just in case an obese passenger was booked for that flight.
Posted by: w00tboycomicbuy 2 seats!
I just flew from NY to CA. About 5 1/2 hours wedged into my window seat by the enormous body next to me and overflowing into 1/2 my seat. As well this person was perspiring heavily and oderous. Getting up for bathroom or to stretch my legs was a 10 minute ordeal each time as this person struggled and heaved to get up to let me by. There was no other seat for me. It was miserable and uncomfortable. The obese need to buy however many seats they needvor dont fly. Your fat is not my problem to endure.
.Posted by: AnonymousThe truth
They should have to pay for two seats because it is not fair to the people next to them who are crushed and uncomfortable for the whole flight. They take up someone else's spot. It is NOT discrimination. With today's technology there are so many ways for someone to loose weight.
Posted by: AnonymousIf the obese people take up two seats, they should pay for two seats.. Period
While I agree it will be difficult to accurately define who is "obese" and who isn't, I believe something should change. I would not classify it as discrimination in regards to the definition most people use. The question of should an obese person be charged for two seats isn't an attack aimed at their body size, but more at the simple fact that they take up more room than the average person who is not overweight. If they take up two seats and there is nobody next to them, then that's not as big of a deal. The problem arises when their body spills over to take up part of the persons seat next to them. That person had paid for one seat to themselves, it is not fair for part of that seat to be taken up by somebody else. Just as it is not fair for some random person to eat part of that sandwich you paid for, or someone to take part of your hotel reservation away from you. We live in a such a world today that money dictates a lot of things (I do not agree with it, but this is how it is) and for people today, what you pay for is what you get. So for those of you saying no, it isn't fair for someone who doesn't fit to have to buy another ticket, why is fair for someone else to have to deal with the fact that part of their seat is being stolen by the person next to them for sometimes hours of flight time. In closing, I don't believe this is solely an issue with overweight people, but more an issue with those who do not fit in their seats, be it overweight or otherwise.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, in a sense
While I agree it will be difficult to accurately define who is "obese" and who isnt, i believe something should change. I would not classify it as discrimination in regards to the definition most people use. The question of should an obese person be charged for two seats isnt an attack aimed at their body size, but more at the simple fact that they take up more room than the average person who is not overweight. If they take up two seats and there is nobody next to them, then thats not as big of a deal. The problem arises when their body spills over to take up part of the persons seat next to them. That person had paid for one seat to themselves, it is not fair for part of that seat to be taken up by somebody else. Just as it is not fair for some random person to eat part of that sandwich you paid for, or someone to take part of your hotel reservation away from you. We live in a such a world today that money dictates a lot of things (I do not agree with it, but this is how it is) and for people today, what you pay for is what you get. So for those of you saying no, it isnt fair for someone who doesnt fit to have to buy another ticket, why is is fair for someone else to have to deal with the fact that part of their seat is being stolen by the person next to them for sometimes hours of flight time. In closing, I dont believe this is solely an issue with overweight people, but more an issue with those who do not fit in their seats, be it overweight or otherwise.
Posted by: AnonymousEveryone is entitled to 100% of the seat for which they PAID.
Severely obese people spill over to the next seat that is to be occupied the person that purchased the ticket to that seat. I sat next to a 400-450 lb young man who took up 1/3-1/2 of my seat space. Why should I be more cramped and imposed upon? I go to the gym, eat right and address any medical issues that may make me obese by following the recommendations of my doctors. I am entitled to 100% of the space I purchased. If any person takes up more than one seats' space, they must purchase the additional space they require. Period.
Posted by: AnonymousPound for Pound
I've been on airplanes that have been delayed because they were above their weight limit. They had to pay someone to postpone their flight. It isn't hard for a plane to become to heavy to fly. If everybody had to pay the same no matter the weight, issues like would be more common. Also, what if two massive people had to sit next to each other, each of them taking up 1 and a half seats. They wouldn't fit. If someone takes up two seats, they should have to buy two seats. That is how it is and should be. Airlines sell tickets by the seat, not the person. It is not discriminating against fat people. Would you call it discriminating if a sports car was too small to fit into? Or if you couldn't sit in that chair from Wal-Mart because it has a weight limit of 200 lbs? It is impossible to make everybody happy.
Posted by: TheBloodyScotYes measure for measure.
I am not overweight but have often found myself sitting next to someone not just obese but very obese on a flight, which makes my flight the more uncomfortable because the overweight person needs lots of elbow room, thus decreasing mine. We pay the same price for a flight and I think this unfair. Often I have very light weight baggage too. I have seen overweight people taking maximum baggage on their flight. Can we not have a pricing system based on total weight of passenger and baggage? This would seem fairer to me.
Posted by: AnonymousIt is necessary that obese people should pay for two airline seats.
It is necessary that obese people should pay for two airline seats.
Not only for their safety but also for other passengers' comfort.
If you provide the seat that passenger can't suit for, and then they can do nothing but take other passengers' seat so that cause other passengers who pay the money but space be extruded. It is real unfair not only for obese people but also other passenger. Moreover, it is not safe if they don't buy two seats,because the weight that aircraft can carry is limited. And if you can't sit well, how do you fasten your seat belts? If you can't fasten your seat belt well, your safety will has loophole. Therefore, I think the obese people should pay for two airline seats.Posted by: isu10076019AIt costs more to transport bigger people.
Simple as that. No this?rimination involved. Is it this?rimination to ask someone who had two plates of food to pay for both plates? Affirmative actions for obese people can be considered reverse this?rimination for non-obese people. If obese people can have two seats for the price of one, and non-obese people have to pay for extra room, then aren't non-obese people being discriminated against?
Posted by: AnonymousWhat about the person sitting next to them?
It is not fair that their fat takes part of the other passengers seat. They paid the same price for an airline seat but now they are only getting half a seat at the full price. It is unfair to them. If they do not buy an extra seat they should be forced to take a less full flight.
Posted by: AnonymousIt`s fair.
I fit into one seat. Now I don't want someone who is obese taking over both mine and their own space. It would be an uncomfortable ride for me and unfair. I'm not the one who let myself get that big. Stop whining and pay the extra ticket. Don't like it, walk!
Posted by: AnonymousOf course
Why not, it is there choice to be over-weight and its ridiculous that other people have to accommodate. It isn't something people have to live with like a disability or disease. This introduces a whole other topic of the other people that also are riding the plane and are willing to pay for their own seat yet an over-weight person can take to and it's alright? Ridiculous!
Posted by: sadmomentThe should pay for the second seat, but maybe not full price.
If an obese person books a seat on a full airplane, yet they don't fit, another person who paid for a vacation/visit shouldn't have to accommodate them by moving away from family members, or even getting kicked off the plane. On the other hand, two seats can get expensive. Perhaps the airline could offer a reasonable discount for a necessary second seat.
Posted by: AnonymousYES!
All passengers should pay for as many seats as they require so that all passengers can be seated comfortably and enjoy the space that they have paid for. I don't understand how anybody can think it's fine for an obese person to take up a portion of the somebody else's seat if they both have paid the same price. Another alternative is that if the obese person takes up 50% of the seat next to them then they should reimburse the passenger occupying that seat.
Posted by: AnonymousFit in the seat
I have flown many many times- on many different airlines... Often times very uncomfortably! Not due to myself, unfortunately. I am a very small woman and I have been crowded out by overweight people. I have even seen people lift the armrest to take up more of my seat! No joke! Just because someone is large does not give them the right to force others next to them to be uncomfortable. I have yet to get an armrest! Those are assumed to be given to overweight people.
Posted by: AnonymousYes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!!
Hey, this should be a benefit for the airlines because its more money. I don't think its fair for the obese person to not be eligible to fly on an airplane just because of there weight. Don't make them feel bad and and say "oh you cant fly cause your too big or you wont fit" not cool just let them sit on the airplane and enjoy there flight an don't be mean cause what if that was you will be upset. So for all you obese people out there don't be afraid to buy two seats knock your self out!!!! :P
Posted by: AnonymousYes this is simple economics, whether charged for 2 seats or charged for total weight, the costs should be passed onto the individuals who use the services.
This is a simple case of economics. Airplanes use fuel to transport their cargo. FedEx transports packages via airplanes and charges by weight. Heavier packages going to the same destination are charged more. Why? Because it is a math equation. More weight equals more fuel equals more cost. We have supported a inequitable arrangement for too many years. In fairness to the airline industry, 30 years ago we did not have the obesity problem we have today. If you weighed between 130 and 200 pounds you were part of the majority. People who weighed 250 or 350 or 400 pounds were a small minority. Today much of the population weighs in excess of 250. The airline industry needs to make these changes to remain competitive. This is not a question of fairness. While I agree that I should be entitled to my own space in my own seat without the interference of your flab folded across my armrest, the issue to the airlines is not fairness but economics. As far as I am concerned it is time we begin to pass on the costs to everyone who chooses lifestyles that pass undue costs onto the shoulders of others. If you chose to smoke, any costs related to smoking should be born by the smoker including higher insurance premiums due to increased risk, higher costs for tobacco, etc. The suggestion that one should not pay for what they consume on an airplane (in the form of fuel) would be like suggesting one could go to a restaurant, order two meals and complain that they were charged double. I do realize that the argument made is that these fat folks have a disability, they have a disease, they have a whatever. I get that. I am back to the restaurant logic. It would be ridiculous to expect one could go to a restaurant and order two entrée but only be charged for one regardless of disease you suffer from. Why are we outraged when the airlines attempt to make the same case? And if we are unwilling to accept this reasonable position as a society then would it not make sense to offer discounts to the minority who don't fall into the obese category? I think that would be perceived as discriminatory if a preference was offered to below average weight folks. No, I believe that the most sensible business model would be to put a person on a scale along with their luggage and charge according to the total weight. If you carry on more, you pay more regardless of whether you are carrying it under your shirt or in your suitcase.
Posted by: AnonymousYES
Obese people sitting in a single seat can become a serious safety issue. He or she will seriously squeeze the passengers beside them, leading discomfort and cause a struggle to get out of the seats to the toilets. Who would want a obese person sitting right next to you, squishing and taking more than your space for the whole entire flight? No one would want that to happen, therefore, obese people should buy two seats to enable more space and comfort for both them and the passengers. Obese people will block up the isles, and have to squish their way through, causing discomfort and annoyance to many people. However, if the obese person is extremely fat, it might be a concern to the balance of the aircraft, causing the pilot more troubles on balancing the plane and possibly tip the aircraft to one side. Another point is, if we are charged to pay more even if our luggage is slightly overweight, then why don’t make the obese people pay another seat? They are seriously overweight, and as the same as the luggage, they should pay more than normal. Therefore, obese people should seriously buy two seats in an aircraft.
Posted by: AnonymousIt IS fair for fat people to pay for two seats
For those with the "its not fair" argument:
Discrimination? The only people who say NO argue it's "ALL ABOUT THEM." What about OTHER people?
* How is it fair to the person who is not overweight whose personal space is being invaded?
* Fat people CAN lose weight, and if it is a problem they should do something about it.
As for HEALTH problems... It is a very SMALL percent and they should still have to pay because it is still invading other people's space!
* Wording/description: If a passenger cannot fit in an aeroplane seat without significantly making the passenger next to them uncomfortable, then they need to buy two seats.
* Airlines should accommodate more people - THEY DO> and IT COSTS!!!
Airlines do offer larger seats already - business/first class... Where you PAY MORE for MORE SPACE. So if you are fat and need the space - pay up!
* Comparison to handicapped/disabled: they don't CHOOSE to be that way. Not losing weight is choosing to be fat.
IF you are skinny and a fat person has their arm/leg/stomach over their seat, then perhaps people who are not fat should allowed to just have their pillow/bag hanging over the fat person's seat - see how they feel about that.
* Embarrassment: LOSE WEIGHT.Posted by: AnonymousIt truly is only fair
Let me start off by saying I spent the first 19 years of my life overweight because my body simply seemed to be hefty regardless of diet and exercise. I later on kicked it up a few notches and now have what most would consider to be a desirable athletic physique. To the people who say they can't help it, that is total BS. You're lazy and making excuses. End of story.
Now to the issue at hand, it's a fact that average weight has caused airfare to increase because greater mass consumes a greater amount of fuel. If someone has to pay extra because they decided to pack too much, then passengers should have to pay the cost of choosing to be heavier (whether it's gaining muscle mass over a certain amount, or fat, the fact remain you weigh more). Even for the very few who have some sort of condition that truly does make them large and or overweight, the fact remains that each person pays for their individual seating room. If you take up more than your allotted space for ANY REASON AT ALL, you should have to buy more space. End of story. If you think that isn't fair, how fair would it be for someone who paid for a seat to be discomforted and in some extreme cases, barely be able to sit down because of another persons's negligence?Posted by: AnonymousYou aren't Disabled
Just because you live an unhealthy lifestyle, doesn't give you a special privilege over the rest of society. You should have to pay for two seats if you want to be comfortable. Disabled people are allowed to receive a seat for free because they are disabled. This should not apply to obese people.
Posted by: AnonymousYes it seems pretty obvious to me.
My son is 6' 5" tall and he always pays for extra leg room on flights, so a person who is overweight should pay extra for taking up more space. I cannot imagine why anyone who is overweight should expect to pay the same price as someone half their size.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's a weighty issue.
Fuel consumption is directly related to the weight of an aircraft. Heavy baggage directly translates into increased costs. Excess baggage can be stored in the cargo bay but an oversized person needs to be seated and in many cases may infringe on the space of others. They need wider seats.
Posted by: AnonymousSpace
You pay for space used. Simple as that. They could charge by weight, which I'm sure most people big or small would not like. It could be to your advantage if you were an average female with a large heavy suitcase compared to an average man, but that's not the case. They restrict your luggage, not your size. If you need more room, than pay for it.
Posted by: AnonymousYes two seats, who wants to sit next to someone hugely obese.
Look do you want to sit next to a 600 pound person? What if it's a 16 hour flight? They must have to get two seats! Also if you're fat, you're fat. People have to face the facts. I can't have me be bottled off the plane because a fat person is sitting next to me!
Posted by: AnonymousPlain and simple logic.
If I am paying extra just for taking 3 kilo extra load, why shouldn't someone pay for his/her extra load? Every time I travel outside, I tend to bring memoirs from that place for me and my family and naturally every time I pay extra. Last time there was this short lady who had at least 10 times extra weight than my extra luggage and simply walked through the gate, gave real pain to the guy she sat with without paying any extra.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's only fair
If you are too big for the seat, you have to buy two. Just like if you want a second pizza, you must pay for it. It's really uncomfortable to sit next to an obese person touching you the entire flight with their legs, stomach and arms. Obese people should buy two seats out of common decency!
Posted by: AnonymousWe all technically pay for space on an airplane. You need more space? You pay more.
Everyone technically pays for space on an airplane, and when a large person uses more than that allowed amount of space, and worse, impinges on the space of the person next to them, they should pay more. The person in the seat next to them should get a partial refund, as they are getting less than the amount of space they paid for. That is the only fair way to solve this. Yes, this is a tragic/sad subject. I feel bad for overweight people, but we all pay more to mail a heavy package, we pay more for larger size clothes, etc; it's just common sense that a larger person should have to pay more for an airline seat.
Another thing to think about is that it costs more in fuel to carry heavy passengers (this is not an insignificant cost, we are talking many millions of dollars per year), so even as it is, obese people are getting subsidized by thin people for the cost of the ticket.
That's three ways overweight folks are not paying their fare share. They take up more space and take away space from their fellow passenger, and they use more fuel.Posted by: AnonymousPay the real price.
Not unreasonably we have to pay for speedy check in, priority boarding, extra leg room, so why not extra width? Incremental units can, at this stage, only be per seat and therefore for whatever reason you want or need extra width then it should be paid for. The problem will be deciding who needs extra width.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's my chair!
Personally I feel that I have paid for the chair, I use it, I haven't paid for my neighbours as well. Why should I have to share. In the UK we don't normally have the problem of the chairs being too small and it is only the minority that complain. Most of the time being fat is a choice, so maybe if you dot fit in a chair think about your problems first, not the airlines. They are providing a service and you are just being greedy. If you don't like it don't fly, but don't take it out on others. Sorry to the people who have no choice whether you are fat. But for the ones that eat excessive amounts of food, think over your eating arrangements before your seating arrangements.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, if you cannot fit in one seat.
Regardless of seat sizing, etc., it costs money to move things from one place to another. As it turns out, people who are bigger take up more real estate on the inside of a plane, and therefore cost more to move. Your feelings do not count for anything in business theory and economics.
Posted by: AnonymousNot fair to them? How about not fair to ME!
Yes, I feel quite bad for the obese people. It has to be embarrassing to be so morbidly large. However, that's not my fault! I'm not the one who is obese, and shouldn't be punished for it. The only logical answer to me is to either have the larger person pay double the price, or me to pay half. Based on those two options I think we can agree one which one is more realistic...
Posted by: AnonymousIf they take up 2 seats, then yes.
Not only do Obese people take up 2 seats, they can sometimes weigh in at the weight of two or more people. From a pilots perspective that weight has to be accounted for. I wouldn't be surprised if ticket prices were based on weight sometime in the future, much like shipping a package.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, the reality of the situation is stark
The fact of the matter is, whatever your personal opinions or views on fat people are, if you physically weigh SIGNIFICANTLY more than the average airline customer, think about how that affects people . No, one or two obese people isn't going to bring the plane down. 5 to 6 people who are overweight or obese sat on one side of the aircraft WILL affect how it flies, and WILL cause weight balance problems.
If you have enough mass that your body does not stay in your allocated space, you are affecting someone next to you. Its not like people/airlines/anyone want to discriminate. It's not that they want to have these issues, but the reality of it is, If you are fitting that criteria, you are the problem.
So why not go for a different solution, where a fat (2-seat fat) person could have the option to pay reduced fare, in exchange for being lower on the flight priority list for the plane they want to be on? Let everyone who can fit on the plane first, fit on there, then you get on, and at even cheaper prices! Won't even need to pay for an extra ticket unless you wanted to take the priority away from people who will comfortably fit into the sardine can in uniform rows
Changing the argument by saying "but you wouldn't apply these standards to black/Asian/smoker/white/blind/tattooed/bald/deaf people", none of these things are the same, so to dismiss the reality that you put people through by taking up the extra space and assign yourself into an entirely different criteria of person, is burying the issue.Posted by: AnonymousIt's not fair to those sitting next to larger people.
It's not discrimination. it's for the convenience of both the customers. if i were the obese person smushing someone else into the window on the plane, I would be mortified as well as uncomfortable. And as for the other passenger, he paid for his seat so he should get the WHOLE seat, not just half of it of 3/4 of it. Since the obese person TAKES UP 2 whole seats, its not fair if he only pays for one. Just like if the healthier person takes up only 1/2 the seat, he shouldn't be paying for a whole ticket. it's just not fair, the seats should be bigger i suppose, or there should be a weight limit for seats, i don't know...
Posted by: AnonymousFace the facts
As much as it pains me to say, this isn't really this?rimination. When you discriminate against someone for something, it is based on an opinion without objective truth: e.g. "black people are all untrustworthy criminals so I won't hire the?" Is an opinion that has no factual basis (you cannot prove every single black person is a criminal, so you cannot deny a black person a job based on their skin colour). In this example however, it is completely obvious if someone is taking up more room than the accommothated seat space. The arguments on the no camp completely fail to take into account the rights of the other paying-passenger that no longer has seating space, and is expected to squash themselves against someone. Whether they should pay for another seat? If there are spare seats then I don't see why they should have to: after all, the airline is already getting $0 for those vacant seats. If it is a full flight then sorry, the airline should not have to take a loss on someone when that additional seat could have been covered. Is it fair? I think it is. Is life fair? No, and never will be. That's the real difference, and you should never forget it.
Posted by: AnonymousHow about they pay the person next to them for half the fare that person paid?
Last night I got into a minor altercation with a fat person sitting next to me. She said "Young man, please stop elbowing me, I am trying to sleep!" I said "We have a fundamental problem- I take up 3/4 of a seat, you take up a seat and a half, so there is going to be overlap and there is nothing I can do about it." At least the guy on my other side thought it was very funny... Made for one miserable flight, luckily it was a pretty short one. Obesity is at least partially a choice, genetics play a role but anyone who maintains a reasonably healthy lifestyle might not be super thin but they won't be so large that they take up a seat and a half- for this reason it is a very different case than a handicapped person, for example, who has no power to not be handicapped.
Posted by: AnonymousYes I've sat next to obese people who needed two seats.
I'm sorry but if you are causing discomfort to the person next to you who paid the same amount, shouldn't you take responsibility in some form or another? You can start by losing weight, or have a signed and proves doctor's note saying you are genetically obese and losing weight isn't an option for you.
They're not even charging for the price of 2 full tickets--they are only charging 1.4-1.5 seats. That's a good deal to lessen the discomforts of others, act as a motivator to be healthier, and save the airline gas money. Killing three birds with one stone. I don't see why there's any debate at all.Posted by: AnonymousOf course they should, it is only logical.
You have to pay more to ship heavier packages via air mail, it's only logical to charge obese people more. Especially when they take up large portion of a row of seats and their presence makes it uncomfortable for other passengers sitting beside them, who are also paying customers. .
Posted by: AnonymousNo more fat
It is not comfortable to sit next to a fat person because they don`t fit properly in their seat and take one more half from the seat next to them. They are also so slow when it they stand up or get down from stairs so they take off from other people's time.
Posted by: Anonymousthey arent hurting the obese they are helping
PLEASE BUY TWO SEATS! i spent a 9 hour trip next to an obese man who was bassically spilling into my seat! and really they arent trying to make people feel bad they are trying to help everone be more comfortable! and yes, you can take track of your weight so dont blame everything on medical condidtions IT WAS YOUR FAULT
Posted by: AnonymousYour lifestyle choice not my cost
Most fatsos CHOOSE to be fat. I choose not to pay in discomfort to warehouse their excess flesh. Some FEW poor folks have weight problems because of log term prescribed steroid use, etc. They should be accommodated somehow. The rest choose the instant gratification of multiple bags of potato chips, beer, an ice cream, on the couch and remote in hand. Why should the rest of us pay in discomfort or pass along increased costs to subsidize poor lifestyle choices.
In case you get the idea that I am proverbially thin, think again. I was obese 63 yrs old, diabetic, could not fit in my clothes, lacked energy. Call me starnge,. But, some months ago I decided that not only did I not want to be uncomfortable on trains and planes. I also did not want to graduate from oral meds to insulin injections, and diabetic complications.
t was a change in lifestyle choices for me. I chose diet and exercise over my life threatening instant gratification. It is not easy. But, it is doable. just not overnight. So, if you want to just buy 1 seat, and be comfortable choose a new you. I'm sorry but, you can't choose part of "me."Posted by: redhand32Obese people should pay way more for a whole airplane
Obese people should by all means have to pay for an extra seat in an airplane. It is not fair for people to be crammed by the overly obese, 400 pound man next to them. The slender man next to them payed the exact same amount of money to fly to the same exact place. So really, if they want to fly instead of walking or driving, then go lose some major weight or get out of the airplane.
Posted by: AnonymousIf you need more room, yes.
If one needs more than a single seat, then they should pay for that additional seat. It shouldn't be based necessarily on weight, but rather waist size or how wide you are. Why should somebody who paid the same price as a wider person be forced to have less room? How can you say it is unfair? If they are wider and need more room, they should pay for it just like everyone else did. Somebody in first class pays for more room and so should wider people. It is discrimination in the sense that you are making a distinction between people, but discrimination for a reason. Even if they are like this for a medical reason, they should pay for it because they are using it.
Posted by: AnonymousYes they should have to pay for two seats.
You guys that think they shouldn't have to have obviously have not sat next to a fat person. They slouch over and intrude on your space. It's wrong. All fat people are capable of losing weight if they have the will power to do so. Fat people should be required to pay for two seats if that is the space they are taking up. Treat fat people that take up two seats like two people, not just a fat person that only takes up one.
Posted by: AnonymousYour taking up more space, which means more money!
The extra seat your taking up is an extra seat the theatre could have sold to someone else. They shouldn't have to lose money because you don't know how to diet and are the size of 2+ people. If you don't want to be looked at differently then everybody else.. then maybe you should take care of yourself and people wouldn't be forced to make you pay extra for taking up extra space.
Posted by: AnonymousThis topic isn't meant to discriminate
I have read through a lot of the comments on this topic and many people who voted "no" rant about thin people? Come on now- this isn't against obese or thin people. Airplanes are trying to make a comfortable environment for everyone and it is VERY uncomfortable to sit next to a person that interferes with your personal space. Sometimes obese people take up their seat and half of yours. It would be more comfortable for both parties obese/thin if their space on a place was respected.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, I had to get off a plane because the woman next to me was so large that the crew said I couldn't 'safely' sit.
On a sold-out flight, I was given a seat next to an obese woman who was so large that I actually couldn't fit next to her (I'm a short woman, neither skinny nor overweight, ~130 lbs). I had to spend an extra night (and extra $$) and take a plane the next day because the crew was too afraid to ask her to do so. I eventually got a 'refund' in the form an airline credit (that was less than what I paid for the one-way flight). Unacceptable. I did not get the service I paid for because of that woman!
Posted by: AnonymousYes, but they should not to have to pay more per seat
An obese person who is large enough to not fit comfortably in one seat should pay for a second adjoining seat. HOWEVER, current practices that limit that passenger to have to pay for a higher class seat (in economy class) is unfair. To book 2 seats for an overseas flight costs 2 people $1,300. To book 2 seats for 1 passenger costs $1,600. when flying any Star Alliance route and cannot be booked at lower internet fares. Tthe airlines have a lower net cost but discriminate against these people.
Posted by: AnonymousSolution for people who are obese due to medical problems
If an obese person has a legit medical problem that make them unable to lose weight, have a doctor examine them, then they can have the extra seat paid by medical insurance. Simple. That'll root out anyone who 'claims' they have a BS problem caused by low metabolism or genes.
Posted by: AnonymousYes, if you take up more than the accommodation you are paying for you should have to pay for more.
If you take up two hotel rooms, you pay for two hotel rooms. If you take up more luggage than you are allowed, you pay for that. If you take up more parking spaces at a parking meter, you pay for that. No ones being singling out, its not part of your rights and there's nothing wrong with it. What you pay for is one seat, if you need more than that you pay for that.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's only fair!
If someone is going to take up two seats, it's only fair that they pay for two seats. Wouldn't be irritating to Pay for a whole seat only to realize that all you get is half an armrest because the person next to you is spilling into your space? If they can't fit into one seat, they need to purchase another.
Posted by: AnonymousIf I was 7' tall I would pay for more leg room so I would be comfortable, and the same should be true for the obese.
I am 5'1" and weigh 100lbs. This is my natural size without dieting or crazy amounts of exercise. I do not think I am better than people who are overweight in anyway. But I also don't think it is fair that on a plane I must share my seat with someone who doesn't fit into their own. It makes me feel uncomfortable and slightly claustrophobic for the whole trip. If I was 7' tall I would pay for more leg room so I would be comfortable. It wouldn't be the airline's responsibility to provide for my extra height. It just makes sense. If you need more room you should pay for extra space. It should not be a debate about why the person is overweight - that is no-one's business - it is just a matter of "You get what you pay for". I pay for a whole seat and would like the occupy all of it myself. I can't think of any other situation where I pay a lot of money to be unwillingly pressed against a complete stranger for 8 hours.
Posted by: Anonymous
It is humiliating to make an obese person pay for two seats.
I think it is so sad to make an obese person pay for two airline seats. They are most certainly already embarrassed, and to make them take up two seats is inhumane. Airlines should make more of an effort to offer larger seats. It would provide comfort to smaller people and allow bigger people to easily fit.
Posted by: M0r3InteriorBusinesses should be accommodating towards everyone.
No, it seems pretty unclassy. Businesses should be accommodating towards everyone, regardless of their size. This isn't so much an argument of fat vs thin or anything, but I just think it's a rude and a bad business policy. Regardless of what you think about people with extra weight, there is no need to make them feel uncomfortable.
Posted by: AnonymousWhy should they pay for two airline tickets when they are one person?
Airline tickets are sold per individual, not per pound. And, the fact that this has been an ongoing debate, for so long, exemplifies the fact that there is a need for the airlines to address this issue. People should not be penalized because of their weight. This smells of discrimination. The airlines are a customer driven society and they should do what they can to make their present, and potential, customers happy. Would it really be putting the airlines out too much to accommodate their larger customers?
Posted by: MohaI0v35There's no difference.
The companies should just build bigger seats for those obese people. If a guy is fat, or chinese, or European, there is no reason to be differentiated financially amongst others. Overweight people should not have to buy two tickets. The companies must subsidise the costs of providing large chairs on planes with no additional payment.
Posted by: AnonymousI'm opposed to an obese person paying two full fares for airline travel as airlines should accommodate a wide variety of travelers.
Handicapped people don't pay for special considerations and neither should the obese. I do however support a larger seat section at a slightly increased fare but we all know the world isn't a one size fits all place and the obese shouldn't be penalized for it.
Posted by: Gri5Helpfulits not right
I believe that it is wrong to make obese people buy two plane tickets. I think that airline companies should just build bigger seats in anticipation that obese people will be riding. It is not right its unconstitutional and unfair, just because people are overweight doesn't mean that they aren't human and don't have feelings.
Posted by: AnonymousCanadian Standard
Since 2008 it is the law in Canada - one person - one ticket - zero discrimination. And guess what - We are making profits on our airlines! On another site I saw people compare the shipping of boxes to passengers who are large.. declaring that heavy boxes mean you pay more.
Good grief - how cold is that. And just an fyi - I weigh 112 pounds so this is not something I personally benefit from.Posted by: AnonymousNo, it is against our rights.
So just because a person is bigger than another they have to pay more? This means that you are singling people out. So basically you are saying that because you are heavy you can't travel? The airports should just make bigger seats. And maybe the heavier people cant lose weight, maybe there is something wrong with them that they are not able to lose the weight, or maybe they are busy. They could be a single parent and have to work to feed their families and have no free time to hit the gym. So personally I believe that airports should accommodate their passengers. Just like when the passengers wanted food, bathroom, and extra leg room, they got it. So why not make a row or two of seats a little bigger?
Posted by: AnonymousNo no no no no this is pure discrimination!
It's embarrassing enough please don't do that to us. I would love to be skinny but can't I've tried every way possible. I think the airlines should do some thing like providing bigger seats they make enough money out of us. I am sick of thin people thinking they are better than us!!!!!
Posted by: AnonymousYES
Why People Should Have the Right to Eat as they Please
Did you know that according to a recent Washington Post article, legislatures in at least 25 states are currently debating more than 140 bills aimed at curbing obesity. That is taking our rights away as Americans. I do not think you can just tax away this problem.
New state laws currently under consideration would restrict the sale of soda and candy in public schools, require fast-food chains to post fat and sugar content directly on all menu boards, and even attempt to tax the fat away. Restricting the sale of soda and candy in public schools would cause some students to have a withdraw of sugar and hence causing students to become jittery and jumpy. Posting the fat and sugar content of items on the menus at fast food would drive away customers, in some way, fixing the problem, but then hurting the business and then that leads to layoffs. It's an individual responsibility issue, not a government issue.
Also the government is thinking of placing laws that make it so a company can not advertise unhealthy foods to children on television. Many smaller businesses advertise to a younger audience and without this audience to advertise to, Many small businesses would go out of business, hence hurting the economy.
Ideas are being thrown around that suggest that people that are obese should have to pay a higher income tax. This is a terrible idea, the people that had fathers and grandfathers that were obese and had to inherit that are paying for something in witch it is impossible for them to control.
Also it is keeping unemployment up by the fact that some employers refuse to hire people that are obese. This is hurting the economy and the unemployment rate. Unless it is a job in witch one would have to be very physically fit and active (such as a fire fighter) It makes almost no sense to discriminate against an obese person and not hire them other than the issue of heath care. The heath care reform has made it so there is no problem with hiring obese persons unless it is a physically demanding job.
If people do not want to take responsibility for their actions and how they eat, that is nobodies problem but theirs, not the governments, not the heath organizations, just theirs. Richard Berman, executive director of the Center for Consumer Freedom in the Washington Post article. "If I'm going to shorten my own life by eating too much or being too sedentary, that may not be much different than shortening my life by riding a motorcycle without a helmet on." And that is your American god given right to do so.
Ideas have been proposed that if and obese person loses weight then they should be rewarded by not having to pay as much income tax as they usually would. The only problem with that is, who would be there to police that and make sure they actually lost that weight and not just said they did.
If what you are doing does not hurt anybody but yourself and it is not proven addictive then there should not be a law to outlaw said thing. Also if there are laws placed ( like in New York and San Francisco) where they outlaw drink that are more than 16oz, people could just buy more cups of the 10oz drink which makes the law useless and corrupt.
Some airlines are charging more to obese people to ride their planes. This is probably the high point of discrimination of obese people. The airlines excuse for this is that carrying the obese uses more fuel than just carrying people that are not obesePosted by: AnonymousYes, I have a big personality, larger than life attitude and wide hips; but still I am one person and I pay for one seat!
Thin, disrespectful people: get over yourselves. You judge us for what problems you THINK we have. I don't judge you for being sickly thin, for popping feel good pills, for your many failed relationships, for your mental illnesses--and the list goes on and on. Some of you are the most unhealthiest people I know. And yet, you think you are qualified to judge--get your life!!
Please don't flatter yourselves--not all large people are humiliated, ashamed and embarrassed. Many of us live well productive, successful lives.' As a matter of fact, I graduated in the top of my class from a pretty well known university. I am successful in my business ventures and I make positive contributions to my community. I have great friendships and relationships. My husband adores me. I have been offered a new position based on my qualifications, skills, talents and wonderful personality. People love and respect me for my swag--not my size!!
Airlines: businesses market/adjust to their customers, never do we expect the customer to adjust to our business--otherwise we would not profit. You make bigger seats, for bigger wallets. You need to start making bigger seats, for bigger hips.
Potential business owners: there is obviously a niche/market in the travel industry geared to the larger population. I would love to see you take my idea and run with it. All I ask is that I (along with my fellow thick men/chics) get to travel with peace of mind and excellent customer service!!
Supporters of The Living Large: I love you for standing up for what you believe in and accepting the concept that I(and other big people) are human and should be treated as such!! Thanks for keeping your humanity.
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A Big Beautiful WomanPosted by: AnonymousHelp the obese
They have it hard already. What type of country is this if we are not fair. If These people cant fly fairly nobody should. It may cost more for fuel so they should divide the cost between all of the people aboard the plain and make it a least fair
Posted by: AnonymousI am apauled
I think that obeased people should not have to pay for 2 airline seats. That is the most unehicle thing I have ever heard! It is sad enough that overweight people have to deal with life. Now they might have to pay extra for personal problems, NOT COOL. F.Y.I. I'm 12 and i have more maturity than the shalow, self absoarbed jerks that answerd yes in my tibia than in their entire bodies combined.
Posted by: AnonymousNo partly due to vague wording
What does one mean when they say obese? Are you using the medical term (which as far as I'm aware deals with %fat and stuff), looks (like that person looks extremely overweight), or weight (that person weighs 300 lbs)? If you use the medical term, then you are descriminating people by a medical condition. If you go by looks, then it is all opinion based; anyone could be obese. If you are going by weight, there are too many varables. Mussle, for example, weighs more then fat but we don't see body builders having to pay for two seats. If you go by weight, then skinny/annorexic people should pay less because they weigh less.
Posted by: AnonymousIt would be unfair.
Overweight people should not have to buy two tickets. It would be unfair to them because they are being discriminated. It hurts overweight people's feelings for them to be told to either buy another ticket or leave the plane. They should make larger airline seats. Imagine how you would feel if you were them.
Posted by: AnonymousIt is a very cruel thing to do.
These larger passengers should not be financially differenced because of how much you weigh. The person next to you might feel uncomfortable, but if you are large, you're still a human being. Do we tell people who are European, Chinese, or Asian that they have to buy an extra seat because they aren't American? NO. So, what is the difference? It is very cruel to a person to say they are fat by making them buy an extra plane ticket.
Posted by: AnonymousWhy should fat people pay for two airline seats?
Does fat people wants to be fat? no, almost of them try to lose their weight, but they can't because of their constitution. Also, When I go to airplane, almost of them had some empty seats! they don't have to pay for two seats.
Posted by: AnonymousNO WAY
One person one seat they should not have to pay for two they just have to book on less crowded planes its unfair to everybody. Everybody is all shapes and sizes they all are different you can't make fun of them. One person should not have to pay for two seats.
Posted by: AnonymousNo, not fair!
I am very skinny, but I still think it is not fair that "bigger" people have to pay for two or more seats. Maybe they should pay a little more, but not the price of a full second ticket. Or is the case that planes need bigger seats for bigger people! It's expensive enough for one ticket, imagine paying for a family trip of four people and having to pay double for an obese family! I am totally against this.
Posted by: AnonymousIt's not fair!
You must have a heart of stone to ask someone for more money just because they are overweight. How would you like it if you were obese and had to pay more money to fly? Just because you may be bigger than everyone else on the plane doesn't make you are inhuman or that you should be treated differently. Some people have health problems and can't help being overweight. I am 13, and I am disgusted that people have actually considered doing that.
Posted by: AnonymousI don't think it's fair for an obese person to pay for two airline seats as it's unnecessary and embarrassing to them.
I am a very slim person myself but I have some family members who are slightly overweight (but not obese), and I would be mortified for them if they were told they would have to pay for an extra seat. What if someone had bad breath or gas? These people should be left to enjoy their flight in peace.
Posted by: R053NeddyI oppose the need for obese people to pay for two airline seats.
Whether obese or not, its only one person, and its fair that it pays for just one seat. It is also just fair that it uses just one seat, so the airlines companies should provides seats not only for obese people, but for tall people too. Or maybe provide adjustable seats. What is not fair is the company charge those people more, only because of their situation, sometimes even not controllable, like when in cases of diseases.
Posted by: IandbardeImy three reasons for a persuasive essay
I also agree with everything you guys say, but another reason is because they'll need a lot of money. What if it's a family of obese people? If it has to be at least fifty words, it's also not fair because mine was really short. Anyways, if obese people travel a lot, and they have to pay for 2 plane tickets, they might get bankrupt.
Posted by: HayeongIt is called embarrasment!
I am a fat person, and I would NOT like to have to pay extra and buy TWO seats on airliners! First off, I'm a kid! Why do I have to buy TWO seats just because I'm FAT!
That is humiliating citizens who are already humiliated.Posted by: AnonymousNo
Judging someone who is obese is the same as judging someone who has horrible body odor. You can have an healthy person sitting on a plane, but what if that healthy person has an odor that is uncomfortable for people to have to smell. Do we charge that person extra for making it uncomfortable for others. Like all these things are considered discrimination regardless. So lets grow up shall we and think of a way to help instead of ridicule and insult.
Posted by: AnonymousThough uncomfortable for others, there is no clear way to draw the line where fat becomes "too fat,"
Everyone with an open seat next to them prays the seat next to them will be empty and cringe when an extra large person walks down the aisle, hoping that person will not sit next to them. Though it makes it uncomfortable for both the large person and those sitting around them, there is no defined, objective means to determine who needs to purchase the extra ticket. As an alternative, airlines should offer larger seats at an extra cost for those too heavy to fit in a standard seat. This alternative would take the discomfort out of flying for those that may just be giant people by nature, including tall and muscular, not just the obese.
Posted by: Pur3E2raWhy are people HYPOCRITES?
Why are skinny people who complain about fat people are a bunch of hypocrites? Are these people the same people who are alcoholics? Or problem gamblers? Or smokers? I remember the old days when smoking was allowed in planes, I am a non-smoker and every time I wanted a non-smoking ticket, it was taken! Then when I'm in the plane, you see the imbecile smokers come from the non-smoking section to smoke in the smoking section! That really peed me off and just shows how people are a bunch of hypocrites! Why don't the airlines just make bigger seats for bigger people, they do make bigger seats for people with bigger and fatter wallets! It's called first class and business class. Also sugar is a drug, an addictive one too! Now for all those people who say to fat people to stop eating and go on a diet, why don't you stop smoking? Or stop gambling? Or stop drinking? Oh yeah, that's right, its hard, isn't it?
Posted by: AnonymousPeople also complain about having to share an arm rest, but airlines do NOTHING about that.
What if I was racist and it made me uncomfortable to sit next to a black person. Would they make black and whites sit in different sections? NO. You don't know why someone is the way they are! It's not fair and WRONG. I'm shocked at how many people are cool with this.
Posted by: AnonymousDiscriminatory towards Others
I believe that obese people should not have to buy two airline tickets. Obesity is a growing problem, not because of the amount eaten or because of the laziness that everyone claims obese people have. That is not true. It's because of the unnatural things we almost have to put in our bodies nowadays.
Nobody asks to be obese. If it were up to any one obese person, I would say they're not too happy about their own weight. The only reason they may seem unapologetic on a plane flight as because they have to hide the shame they feel; the shame YOU make them feel. It can't feel good knowing that you can't fit in one seat. A plane is a plane is a plane. It's going to be uncomfortable anyway! You're just looking for a reason to bring somebody else down. Plane rides make people crabby, we get it! But you can't take it out on somebody else because they're different. That's exactly what many countries are fighting against!
All of this talk about fuel and weight limits? Really? The only way the fuel difference would be substantial would be if there were 20 more obese people than normal on the plane. When is that going to happen? Obese people are people, and a weight is a weight. They have all the same rights as you do, and they should not have to pay an entire other ticket. Not only is that way too much money for a circumstance that many people have nowadays, but it's discriminatory against a certain group of people for an entirely wrong reason.Posted by: Anonymousi think not
i really don't think that they should pay more, i mean maybe they don't have the money to pay for 2 tickets but they do have the money to pay for 1. i mean plane tickets are not cheap....So they shouldn't pay more for them.
Posted by: AnonymousHorrifying
This is a ridiculous statement. Obese people should not be penalized for something that they may not be able to help, what if they have a disease that makes them that way? I knew a girl in 4th grade who could not stop eating, she was just always hungry, being overweight was completely inevitable for her. This is discrimination to obese people and should NOT be practised.
Posted by: Anonymous