Obese people they should lose weight or pay more. It's not fair if we have to sit there slouched over, because they are too obese. It's not our fault that they are just that big, so why do they pay the same amount? Everybody should stand up, and say they need to pay more.
On a sold-out flight, I was given a seat next to an obese woman who was so large that I actually couldn't fit next to her (I'm a short woman, neither skinny nor overweight, ~130 lbs). I had to spend an extra night (and extra $$) and take a plane the next day because the crew was too afraid to ask her to do so. I eventually got a 'refund' in the form an airline credit (that was less than what I paid for the one-way flight). Unacceptable. I did not get the service I paid for because of that woman!
What is heavier for the airplane to carry? A 400 pound man or a 170 pound man? Why must we pay absurd amounts for excess weight in the luggage whereas everyone pays the same price independently from their own weight? It's an outrage to both other people's comfort and other people's pocket.
I recently was on another flight for business and an obese you woman was in the window seat, I had the aisle. I sat down and put down the arm rest as she was talking over a quarter of my seat. After a minute she raised the arm rest and said "I am not sitting uncomfortable for two hours, the seat rest will have to be up, it is cutting into my leg". Not "would you mind if I raised the arm?". I responded that I would prefer the armrest down. This young woman promptly called over the flight attendant and stated she wanted the arm rest up as it was cutting into her. The Flight Attendant looked at me and stated "our customers with needs must be accommodated" for which I stated "on my seat?". The flight attendant just walked away and the woman stated very rudely "thank you for embarrassing me just because I am not small like you".
It is the sense of entitlement that overweight people now believe they are "disabled". They have no problem demanding special treatment due to their lifestyle choice to be inactive, over eat and live an unhealthy lifestyle which in years to come has proved to cost the health care system billions due to heart attacks, type two diabetes etc.
Mass travel requires the patients of ALL passengers and some enforced guidelines to keep things orderly and mildly comfortable. All means the obese also, be conscious of how your encroachment into an-others space is really upsetting them.
I fly internationally at least once a year and it is a nightmare being seated next to an obese person who takes up half my seat squashing me into a corner. I paid for my seat so I'm entitled to use it with the same degree of comfort as the fat person using both their seat and mine.
Unless obese people can give a reasonable explanation to why they're fat (like a genetic disorder), they don't really have an excuse. Maybe they should have thought about the expensive airline tickets when they were stuffing themselves with pies and cakes. The airline shouldn't be expected to hand out free seats to people and lose their own revenue.
If your waist is of a certain size or larger you should be charged an extra seat. When you buy a ticket online there should be a part were you put your waist size in. And it should say your waist size on your ticket as well. And if you lie and say your waist is 32' and you show up to the ticket counter and your waist is actually 82' then you will be charged an extra seat or will not be allowed on at all if its already booked. They could put that into an agreement you accept when you purchase your ticket. That IS fair because you provided false information and like others have said it's unfair to the people sitting next to them. It is the fat persons fault they are that size. I have no sympathy for them. The more space you take up, the more you have to pay! Plain and simple and fair to all.
Less than one percent of the obese people can't help being fat, but the other 99% can. Why must those buying a seat on an airline who have controlled their weight be uncomfortable by being squeezed in between these obese people? Its time the obese pay for their selfish indulgence.
There is a limit to the amount of weight that can board a plane safely. When we buy our tickets we are putting our trust in the pilot. We trust him to get us safely to our destination. The more weight inside the plane the less safe it is, thus shouldn't we pay a little more if we're slightly heavier? These days even children pay an adult price when they fly. How much does a child weigh? In my opinion it's not just the comfort, flying with an overweight person is reducing, but it's the safety too.
Fat/Obese people should be put in the same row, if they don't feel like paying for an extra seat let them suffer together without inconveniencing anyone else. Let them overflow over each other, I'm sure obese people hope they get put in between 2 thin people so they can overflow just like a non obese prays they don't get stuck with someone obese anywhere near them.
Why are small people discriminated against right now? They have to pay the same amount as a large person for a seat yet they cost the airline less money. I think what would be the most fair would be different seat sizes, S, M, L. Smaller seats would cost less money, and passengers would have to meet certain height/weight requirements to fit. These seats could also be appropriate for children. Larger people would get more room on larger seats, but of course their seats would cost more.
When I go to fast food and want a larger box of fries, I pay more money. This isn't discriminating against me because I am hungrier. I am costing the company more money so I should pay a little extra. If someone is less hungry and gets a smaller box, they should pay less.
If an obese person wants to fly and if they occupy the same amount of space as two none obese people then yes, they should because its fair. No body shoved a bigmac down their throat, they did that all on their own and I see if they can manage to do that they can also pay for two seats hence how they're occupying both.
Written from a young lady with overweight family members.
I've been in the half a seat left next to an obese person. At 4 feet 11 and 120 pounds I felt totally overwhelmed and spent the journey squashed into the tiny space left for me. Touching bodies with a strange man on a 4 hour journey is no fun. Are these people aware of the discomfort they cause or do they really not care who they offend? There should be a declaration when buying a ticket stating that you can comfortably sit in an airline seat.
I say that they make the seats bigger, because in this day and age the mass of society is a lot larger. It isn't fair for a bigger person to utilize the seat of someone sitting next to them, the regular sized person shouldn't have to pay for space bigger people are utilizing. Plain and simple. You can't ask someone to pay full price for a service then force them to use only partial of what they paid for. Id think it'd almost be a consumer affairs ordeal.
But in the other hand,i think that it wouldn't be nice if they had to pay twice the price of their airplane tickets...The compagnies should maybe just charge a little more on their tickets,and make sure that they aren't crushing the other passengers while sitting.... So that everyone has a nice flight
An obese woman sat to my mother on an airplane. First of all, the lady took up half of my mother's chair, second the farting the whole way! What is the point in paying for a lane ticket to reserve a seat, if you are only going to get half of it? With that being said, I vote YES to making overweight people buy two plane tickets!
If an obese person books a seat on a full airplane, yet they don't fit, another person who paid for a vacation/visit shouldn't have to accommodate them by moving away from family members, or even getting kicked off the plane. On the other hand, two seats can get expensive. Perhaps the airline could offer a reasonable discount for a necessary second seat.
Hey, this should be a benefit for the airlines because its more money. I don't think its fair for the obese person to not be eligible to fly on an airplane just because of there weight. Don't make them feel bad and and say "oh you cant fly cause your too big or you wont fit" not cool just let them sit on the airplane and enjoy there flight an don't be mean cause what if that was you will be upset. So for all you obese people out there don't be afraid to buy two seats knock your self out!!!! :P
If someone of a larger mass is going to take up two seats, they should pay for the two seats. It's not fair for the airline to have to pay or boot off "normal" sized people because an obese person feels they have the right to two seats for the price of one.
Why not, it is there choice to be over-weight and its ridiculous that other people have to accommodate. It isn't something people have to live with like a disability or disease. This introduces a whole other topic of the other people that also are riding the plane and are willing to pay for their own seat yet an over-weight person can take to and it's alright? Ridiculous!
All passengers should pay for as many seats as they require so that all passengers can be seated comfortably and enjoy the space that they have paid for. I don't understand how anybody can think it's fine for an obese person to take up a portion of the somebody else's seat if they both have paid the same price. Another alternative is that if the obese person takes up 50% of the seat next to them then they should reimburse the passenger occupying that seat.
If they cannot fit in just one seat they should have to pay for the ones they are spilling over into. I am no small person myself but I don't take up 2 seats anywhere I go. If they are that big to take up two seats, paying for both should give them some incentive to lose weight.
While I wouldn't want someone to feel discriminated against, it only makes sense we all have to pay for the weight incurred by our person and our baggage (and the person in your baggage). The only other fair option would be to seat all the obese people in the same section to prevent us skinny guys from spending our flights leaning into the aisle.
While I agree it will be difficult to accurately define who is "obese" and who isnt, i believe something should change. I would not classify it as discrimination in regards to the definition most people use. The question of should an obese person be charged for two seats isnt an attack aimed at their body size, but more at the simple fact that they take up more room than the average person who is not overweight. If they take up two seats and there is nobody next to them, then thats not as big of a deal. The problem arises when their body spills over to take up part of the persons seat next to them. That person had paid for one seat to themselves, it is not fair for part of that seat to be taken up by somebody else. Just as it is not fair for some random person to eat part of that sandwich you paid for, or someone to take part of your hotel reservation away from you. We live in a such a world today that money dictates a lot of things (I do not agree with it, but this is how it is) and for people today, what you pay for is what you get. So for those of you saying no, it isnt fair for someone who doesnt fit to have to buy another ticket, why is is fair for someone else to have to deal with the fact that part of their seat is being stolen by the person next to them for sometimes hours of flight time. In closing, I dont believe this is solely an issue with overweight people, but more an issue with those who do not fit in their seats, be it overweight or otherwise.
Obese people sitting in a single seat can become a serious safety issue. He or she will seriously squeeze the passengers beside them, leading discomfort and cause a struggle to get out of the seats to the toilets. Who would want a obese person sitting right next to you, squishing and taking more than your space for the whole entire flight? No one would want that to happen, therefore, obese people should buy two seats to enable more space and comfort for both them and the passengers. Obese people will block up the isles, and have to squish their way through, causing discomfort and annoyance to many people. However, if the obese person is extremely fat, it might be a concern to the balance of the aircraft, causing the pilot more troubles on balancing the plane and possibly tip the aircraft to one side. Another point is, if we are charged to pay more even if our luggage is slightly overweight, then why don’t make the obese people pay another seat? They are seriously overweight, and as the same as the luggage, they should pay more than normal. Therefore, obese people should seriously buy two seats in an aircraft.
This is not discrimination nor a punishment. If you take up more than one seat, then you should pay for more than one seat. It's that simple. I know that being morbidly overweight can be extremely difficult, my own father is. But if he flies, he should buy two seats too. It's not fair to the person next to you. They should be allowed the full seat they paid for; when someone spills over into that seat, it is very uncomfortable. Especially on long flights. Many argue "why should the obsese be penalized?" Well why should a normal sized person lose half of his/her seat - isn't that penalizing them?
PLEASE BUY TWO SEATS! i spent a 9 hour trip next to an obese man who was bassically spilling into my seat! and really they arent trying to make people feel bad they are trying to help everone be more comfortable! and yes, you can take track of your weight so dont blame everything on medical condidtions IT WAS YOUR FAULT
I flew Trans-at, a year back. The person on the inside seat, weighed more than 350lbs. He could not get the seat belt to do up, nor could he put the armrest down. For 9+ hours, I sat on a tiny portion of my seat, whilst 80-90% of the room, was taken-up by the obese guy.
Within an hour, his body odour became increasingly overpowering! After 2 hours, it became unbearable! I barely made it to the wash-rooms 3 times, to vomit, as did many passengers in front, and behind us!
I could not use my own sea belt, as it was buried beneath my fellow passenger! I was also forced against the outside arm-rest for the flight, as staff insisted I use it, for 'safety reasons'! His sole comment, throughout the flight, was to complain to me, that "Modern aircraft, are constantly reducing the available seat-space!" No hint, that he may have been entirely at fault, due to his choice of embracing gross obesity as a life-style!
Curiously, prior to boarding, I was charged for overweight baggage? (2 kilos) One assumes, he paid nothing, for the two-person weight, he carried aboard!
The staff ensured, my complaints had scorn poured on me, for daring to complain about my situation! I was told in no uncertain terms, I should have much more understanding and sympathy, for a 'disabled' person!!
I just flew from NY to CA. About 5 1/2 hours wedged into my window seat by the enormous body next to me and overflowing into 1/2 my seat. As well this person was perspiring heavily and oderous. Getting up for bathroom or to stretch my legs was a 10 minute ordeal each time as this person struggled and heaved to get up to let me by. There was no other seat for me. It was miserable and uncomfortable. The obese need to buy however many seats they needvor dont fly. Your fat is not my problem to endure.
They should have to pay for two seats because it is not fair to the people next to them who are crushed and uncomfortable for the whole flight. They take up someone else's spot. It is NOT discrimination. With today's technology there are so many ways for someone to loose weight.
I have flown many many times- on many different airlines... Often times very uncomfortably! Not due to myself, unfortunately. I am a very small woman and I have been crowded out by overweight people. I have even seen people lift the armrest to take up more of my seat! No joke! Just because someone is large does not give them the right to force others next to them to be uncomfortable. I have yet to get an armrest! Those are assumed to be given to overweight people.
You pay for space used. Simple as that. They could charge by weight, which I'm sure most people big or small would not like. It could be to your advantage if you were an average female with a large heavy suitcase compared to an average man, but that's not the case. They restrict your luggage, not your size. If you need more room, than pay for it.
I've been on airplanes that have been delayed because they were above their weight limit. They had to pay someone to postpone their flight. It isn't hard for a plane to become to heavy to fly. If everybody had to pay the same no matter the weight, issues like would be more common. Also, what if two massive people had to sit next to each other, each of them taking up 1 and a half seats. They wouldn't fit. If someone takes up two seats, they should have to buy two seats. That is how it is and should be. Airlines sell tickets by the seat, not the person. It is not discriminating against fat people. Would you call it discriminating if a sports car was too small to fit into? Or if you couldn't sit in that chair from Wal-Mart because it has a weight limit of 200 lbs? It is impossible to make everybody happy.
Severely obese people spill over to the next seat that is to be occupied the person that purchased the ticket to that seat. I sat next to a 400-450 lb young man who took up 1/3-1/2 of my seat space. Why should I be more cramped and imposed upon? I go to the gym, eat right and address any medical issues that may make me obese by following the recommendations of my doctors. I am entitled to 100% of the space I purchased. If any person takes up more than one seats' space, they must purchase the additional space they require. Period.
Physics - it requires more work for the plane (hence more fuel) to move a heavier object. So in order for airlines to make a decent profit, they need to charge more, or just have those who take up two seats, pay for two seats. Seating is limited, and when you're taking up more than one seat, you should pay for more than one seat.
Safety - I'd like to know how it's safe to be stuck next to someone who's lodged into one seat and can't get out without struggling.
Let me start off by saying I spent the first 19 years of my life overweight because my body simply seemed to be hefty regardless of diet and exercise. I later on kicked it up a few notches and now have what most would consider to be a desirable athletic physique. To the people who say they can't help it, that is total BS. You're lazy and making excuses. End of story.
Now to the issue at hand, it's a fact that average weight has caused airfare to increase because greater mass consumes a greater amount of fuel. If someone has to pay extra because they decided to pack too much, then passengers should have to pay the cost of choosing to be heavier (whether it's gaining muscle mass over a certain amount, or fat, the fact remain you weigh more). Even for the very few who have some sort of condition that truly does make them large and or overweight, the fact remains that each person pays for their individual seating room. If you take up more than your allotted space for ANY REASON AT ALL, you should have to buy more space. End of story. If you think that isn't fair, how fair would it be for someone who paid for a seat to be discomforted and in some extreme cases, barely be able to sit down because of another persons's negligence?
Most fatsos CHOOSE to be fat. I choose not to pay in discomfort to warehouse their excess flesh. Some FEW poor folks have weight problems because of log term prescribed steroid use, etc. They should be accommodated somehow. The rest choose the instant gratification of multiple bags of potato chips, beer, an ice cream, on the couch and remote in hand. Why should the rest of us pay in discomfort or pass along increased costs to subsidize poor lifestyle choices.
In case you get the idea that I am proverbially thin, think again. I was obese 63 yrs old, diabetic, could not fit in my clothes, lacked energy. Call me starnge,. But, some months ago I decided that not only did I not want to be uncomfortable on trains and planes. I also did not want to graduate from oral meds to insulin injections, and diabetic complications.
t was a change in lifestyle choices for me. I chose diet and exercise over my life threatening instant gratification. It is not easy. But, it is doable. just not overnight. So, if you want to just buy 1 seat, and be comfortable choose a new you. I'm sorry but, you can't choose part of "me."
If someone is going to take up two seats, it's only fair that they pay for two seats. Wouldn't be irritating to Pay for a whole seat only to realize that all you get is half an armrest because the person next to you is spilling into your space? If they can't fit into one seat, they need to purchase another.
I think if there are empty seats available, then a heavy person should be accomodated. However, if it is a full flight and the heavy person is going to be infringing on someone elses paid space, then yes, I think they should have to either purchase a second seat, or at the very least offer to pay a portion of the persons airfare who is being squished out of their space. More than personal space issues, my concern is more about total weight the aircraft can safely carry. I think if each passenger has the same weight limit....personal weight plus luggage, then safety of the plane is assured
If a fat person can't fit into one seat and they take up two seats, they should have to pay for it. They are USING two seats, so they need to PAY for two seats. Yes, I agree, it's humiliating, but it's not fair to other people if they can't get a seat because a fat person is using it.
Obesity is a serious problem in the US. There are natural consequences that occur as a result. Airlines need to pay strict attention to the weight of their planes to prevent accidents or problems, so no matter what the weight is made up of - be it packaging, overhead baggage or people - the total amount of weight must be taken into consideration. If a person's weight makes up enough for 2 typical seats, they need to pay the price.
It's not discrimination. it's for the convenience of both the customers. if i were the obese person smushing someone else into the window on the plane, I would be mortified as well as uncomfortable. And as for the other passenger, he paid for his seat so he should get the WHOLE seat, not just half of it of 3/4 of it. Since the obese person TAKES UP 2 whole seats, its not fair if he only pays for one. Just like if the healthier person takes up only 1/2 the seat, he shouldn't be paying for a whole ticket. it's just not fair, the seats should be bigger i suppose, or there should be a weight limit for seats, i don't know...
It is not right for people who do take care of themselves to be stuck or smashed in the window seat of a plane because someone that does not take care of their body is right next to them. Making obese people purchase an extra seat will make the ride much more comfortable for everyone on board and possibly make them realize that they may need help with their obesity issue.
Obesity is usually due to overeating and inactivity, not a medical consideration one cannot help. Sitting beside someone who takes up more than their fair share of the room is uncomfortable, and unfair to the person who also paid for one seat.
An obese person who is large enough to not fit comfortably in one seat should pay for a second adjoining seat. HOWEVER, current practices that limit that passenger to have to pay for a higher class seat (in economy class) is unfair. To book 2 seats for an overseas flight costs 2 people $1,300. To book 2 seats for 1 passenger costs $1,600. when flying any Star Alliance route and cannot be booked at lower internet fares. Tthe airlines have a lower net cost but discriminate against these people.
Since airplanes are designed to hold "regular" size people than an obese person who cannot comfortably or safely sit in a "regular" seat should have to pay for two. Until the day comes when there are specially designed seats or sections on planes to accommodate obese people then they should have to pay for two seats.
Obesity without any underlying medical condition is the result of plain laziness and greed on the individual's part. Just like if I decide to have a child it means I am willing to pay for his/her seat, so if you have decided to be obese, you should be ready to pay the price of any number of seats that you need to fly.
Obese people should be required to purchase two seats if they cannot fit into one seat without overlap into the passenger seats next to them. The reason for my belief is that it can be extremely uncomfortable to sit next to an obese person if they overlap into your seat.
With the weight limits on airplanes it is only expected that someone that weighs much more then the average person should have to pay for two tickets. If the plane is not able to take as many passengers with an obese passenger then they should somehow be compensated. Otherwise the airlines would just have to raise the price of the tickets for everyone to make sure there cost were covered just in case an obese passenger was booked for that flight.
I don't think this is a discrimination issue because essentially by asking obese people to pay for two tickets if they take up the space of two people, you are just requiring them to pay for the level of service they require. It is the same as charging for two plates of food (as long as it isn't an all you can eat buffet!) Thus, it is not a matter of prejudice or unfair treatment.
As much as it pains me to say, this isn't really this?rimination. When you discriminate against someone for something, it is based on an opinion without objective truth: e.g. "black people are all untrustworthy criminals so I won't hire the?" Is an opinion that has no factual basis (you cannot prove every single black person is a criminal, so you cannot deny a black person a job based on their skin colour). In this example however, it is completely obvious if someone is taking up more room than the accommothated seat space. The arguments on the no camp completely fail to take into account the rights of the other paying-passenger that no longer has seating space, and is expected to squash themselves against someone. Whether they should pay for another seat? If there are spare seats then I don't see why they should have to: after all, the airline is already getting $0 for those vacant seats. If it is a full flight then sorry, the airline should not have to take a loss on someone when that additional seat could have been covered. Is it fair? I think it is. Is life fair? No, and never will be. That's the real difference, and you should never forget it.
I payed for a seat on a plane, why should my space be impeached on by an obese person? There's always the argument that there should be bigger seats but, that costs plane companies money and why should they have to pay for your weight? Thin privilege isn't real it's only fat people trying to put the rest of us down
If a fat person wants to be treated fairly, they should treat others fairly by not spilling out into seats the regular sized people pay for. I think that if a person can not fit into a seat they should have to pay for the seat next to them because they are clearly using more than one seat.
So airplanes are supposed to rebuild their planes to support the horrific growing epidemic that is obesity? Unless obesity is caused by a tumor on a growth gland, it CANNOT be called a disease. It is a destructive lifestyle and the airline companies should not "build bigger seats" and therefore condone this behavior. Being obese is slowly killing oneself. There is no way to put it. And if it takes buying two plane tickets to be a rude awakening for these people that they're slowly wasting away by being so heavy, then so be it.
Not only do Obese people take up 2 seats, they can sometimes weigh in at the weight of two or more people. From a pilots perspective that weight has to be accounted for. I wouldn't be surprised if ticket prices were based on weight sometime in the future, much like shipping a package.
On a 10 or more hour flight, it would be horrible for the people sitting beside an obese person. The uncomfortable sitting positions are just a start. It would be extremely difficult for the people around you to have a comfortable flight. I honestly don't care if you're obese, but not at the cost of affecting the people sitting beside you.
A 10 or more hour flight is horrible for the people sitting beside an obese person. The uncomfortable sitting positions are just a start. It is extremely difficult for the people around you to have a comfortable flight. I honestly don't care if you're obese, but not at the cost of affecting the people sitting beside you.
The extra seat your taking up is an extra seat the theatre could have sold to someone else. They shouldn't have to lose money because you don't know how to diet and are the size of 2+ people. If you don't want to be looked at differently then everybody else.. then maybe you should take care of yourself and people wouldn't be forced to make you pay extra for taking up extra space.
Look do you want to sit next to a 600 pound person? What if it's a 16 hour flight? They must have to get two seats! Also if you're fat, you're fat. People have to face the facts. I can't have me be bottled off the plane because a fat person is sitting next to me!
Flight is split amongst all passengers equally.. Regardless of how many are flying, then they should be charged the same... But we are charged by the seat.. I need 1 you need 2.. Kind of like a meal at McDonald's... Vs a meal at all you can eat! I would be ok with a salad.. You might need 3 big macs.. The latter costs more.. Sorry... But at all you can eat.. Me and you would pay and then ill be the one who is ripped off!
Obese people takes other passenger space that sits next to them, make others feel cluttered and annoyed. Therefore it's only fair if they buy to seats so they get more space instead taking other passenger's space. Everyone deserve a comfortable seat space when traveling, especially long distance and obese people make traveling uncomfortable.
Simple as that. No this?rimination involved. Is it this?rimination to ask someone who had two plates of food to pay for both plates? Affirmative actions for obese people can be considered reverse this?rimination for non-obese people. If obese people can have two seats for the price of one, and non-obese people have to pay for extra room, then aren't non-obese people being discriminated against?
I once saw an extremely overweight woman not being able to sit in her assigned coach seat, so the crew brought her up to first class because that was where the only large seats were. So this poor poor man got stuck sitting next to her when he paid 5-10x the price of her ticket. And he was sitting by the window and was stuck in his row. First class usually gets out first. That's part of what they are paying for. He wound up getting out dead last on the plane because she needed assistance to get out of her seat because she was so large. I'd be furious if I was him and demand a refund!!
There is nothing worse than when an overweight person cannot fit within the confines of one seat and lifts the seat divider so they are not squished between the two arm rests, leaving me to be "sat on". There is spillage between the seats and onto my seat, invading my own personal space. That is not right! Not to mention this happened to me once and the guy was emitting so much body heat that I started to burn up!
The reason you charge for two seats on an airplane is not due to the amount of space taken up in a row. Honestly, with airlines losing money on the lion's share of flights, they could care less about your comfort in relation to another customer.
However, having worked in operations for U.S. Airways some years ago, the reason to have overweight individuals buy two seats is because all weight on an aircraft must be accounted for. When you scan your ticket to get on a plane at the gate, that scan feeds into the operations system that accounts for every passenger on board. Then a ball park weight is given that is the best average for a nominal weight. This gets coupled with all the luggage that has been weighed and this information is compiled, printed and handed to the pilot for fuel calculations.
When a person who obviously weighs more than the average gets on a flight with only one seat, they are calculated as having the same nominal weight as everyone else. In large numbers, this is extremely dangerous. If you don't have the calculations for weight right, you could end up in tree line in an emergency rather than a field.
Now the question gets posed of why this wasn't an issue before. Quite simply, we have a growing obesity epidemic. This creates larger and larger chances that someone is flying that doesn't meet the nominal weight used for calculations. What once might have been one guy that was overweight that averaged out against passengers that were underweight, you now have 15. Doing some simple math reveals a problem.
If the target weight is 200 lbs and fifteen 400 lbs people get on the aircraft:
400 - 200 = 200
200 x 15 = 3000
That is now a full ton and a half unaccounted for. When you are talking about making calculation to keep 400 tons of flying sheet metal in the air safely, that makes for a very large margin of error. So you have to account for this somehow and make it safe. The best solution is that you don't exceed the weight by not allowing some people on the flight. But when you do this you lose even more money because you no longer are filling that seat due to weight restrictions. (Fun fact: a flight for NY to LA makes $800 profit. Not 800 per passenger. Not 800 per cabin. Just 800 dollars after operating costs.) So you charge the person that is causing you to have to kick another passenger from the plane. And considering the airline is going to give that person a travel or hotel voucher just to keep them happy, this is still a losing proposition.
So there's the long and short of it. This isn't an issue of discriminating against their weight. This is a measure to keep air travel safe without bankrupting airlines any faster.
My mother is 5'6 and weighs 230 lbs. I have flown with her on several occasions and she fits just fine in an airplane seat. Yes, she is considered obese, and she eats too much, doesn't work out, and has no illusions regarding her size. But I have to ask, how fat do you have to be to spill over into the other seat? 300 lbs? I am a relatively small person and I can tell you that the day I have to sit next to an obese person who is hogging my seat is the day I'm going to pitch a fit and demand another seat or a refund. This is ridiculous. Americans are getting fatter and fatter and I'm sick of it. Nobody is asking you to be a size 2. Just don't be the size of a freaking rhinoceros, is that so damned hard?
I was stuck in the middle of two men well over 300lbs each who tried to lean back and snore through the ride. I refused to put up my arm rests up as neither had batted an eye at my discomfort as they 'elbowed' into my space trying to get comfortable. They both snored and when one began to tip towards me, I turned quickly and frowned, jarring the seats. He sure moved fast.
Neither said anything as I pulled out my older, heavy, large laptop and proceeded to watch my shows with the volume likely leaking from my headphones. Sure, they glanced a time or two to see what I was watching(screaming/fighting)but never said a word. When the one gentleman was sure to lean on the window and the other pulled his arm away from my space, I turned down the volume and the flight was smooth from there on, mostly.
I paid for my space, just as they did. However; they definitely came into my space, which I assume is why nothing was said about my entertainment being potentially loud(I can only assume they heard it). So when they respected my space, I respected their desire for some quiet.
I can only wonder what they would have done had I not been an average sized, five foot three woman.
If an obese individual is impeding on the comfort, personal space or quality of experience for other paying customers then they should be expected to pay for additional seating in order to minimise inconvenience to other individuals. The issue does not direct towards the emotional sensitivity of the obese customer nor potential discrimination stances that could be taken. It would be unfair for paying customers placed next to an obese individual to be placed in a situation where they are impeded on or restricted in movement by the obese individual, irrelevant to the feelings of the individual and any other factors similar in nature. It is not reasonable to expect airlines to accommodate for larger individuals based upon their life choices and/or personal preference to be overweight and if their safety or the comfort of other passengers is jeopardised then purchasing multiple seating or a business/first class ticket would be an adequate solution to the situation.
Fat people cause the person sitting next to them to be uncomfortable. An alternative to paying for two seats would be for everyone who is overweight to pay a surcharge based on their excess weight. All new aeroplanes should have some larger seats, which should be more expensive for the passenger who books one.
I had been sitting waiting for passenger to occupy seat next to mine. Eventually an extremely obese man waddled down the aisle and promptly lifted up the arm rest between my seat and the vacant one in order to fit into the seat. He was at least a third of the way over my seat. I was very upset and asked him to put the arm rest back down. Thankfully the air stewardess managed to move him to a place where he could have two seats. If I have paid for a seat I want to be able to use all of it.
I believe that obese people should absolutely have to pay for two seats because what happens to the poor skinny person (like me) who has to sit next to them - they get squashed that's what and have to endure this for hours on longhaul flights. I heard a story about a plane carrying a whole lot of army guys who were big and muscled and weighed heaps. The plane crashed because the weight of these guys had not been factored into the total weight of the plane and it just fell out of the sky. Everyone should be weighed as they go through the check points for luggage etc so that the airline can accurately assess fuel requirements etc for the flight and to ensure the safety and "comfort" of everyone on the flight.
If they are large enough to take up two seats, they need to pay for two seats. It's not fair for someone next to them to be cramped or even sat on due to an extra large person. If you disagree you must not have ever been in this situation.
The people who need to take up several seats on the plane should have to pay more as another person may not get on the flight because of it. Also there is a reason that you are charged extra for extra bagging. The plane needs fuel to run and to ensure the plane doesn't "run out" they put a weight limit on bagging. Why not people also for the same reason?
The seats are already too cramped for me. If a BIG person wants to intrude on my leg space then they should reimburse me for part of my ticket price. This happened to me before. A big black guy was taking half my leg space. When it was time to embark (he was closer to aisle) and was taking long to organize his carry-on (lots of room for me to exit to aisle) he pushed his hand on my chest, snapped at me because he objected to my leaving before him -what?
If larger people didn't pay for the extra seat they take up, the airline will lose money on that seat. Everybody else has had to pay for the seats they are using: why shouldn't obese people have to? Perhaps it could be an incentive for them to lose some weight. It's not shallow, cruel or discriminatory. It's a simple fact that the airline doesn't want to lose money and why should they allow larger people to have a free extra seat when everybody else has to pay for their seat? If you choose to eat a large meal, you have to pay extra for it. The airline isn't going to make their seats bigger because, as mentioned before, they do not want to lose money. The smaller the seats, the cheaper the flight is for passengers. Aeroplane seats are small and uncomfortable for everyone, it's just a flight so get over it.
If someone is obese and cannot fit in one seat why should the airline lose money by having to lose a seat to a paying customer. Or why should those who are not obese have to help share the cost.
We are not talking about someone in a wheelchair, we are talking about a large person.
Yes because the company is losing a seat and then less people can come to that place. So yes they should have to pay for two seats in a movie theater or on an Airline. This is my answer for Should larger passengers have to pay for two plane or movie theater tickets?
A person who is obese should be required to buy extra tickets. I just flew on a flt where there was an extremely obese woman taking up two seat, and her fat daughter took up part of mommy's seat and a full seat with her butt protruding into the next seat. If they don't have to pay extra then normal size or skinny people should get buy two get the third free specials!
They bought a certain amount of space. If they use more, they should pay for more. Perhaps the airlines should have larger seats for the obese and then charge more for those seats. They are already using two or three times as much fuel as other passengers paying the same for a seat.
Let's face it. Having the guy next to you spill into your seat just isn't nice. It makes you feel uncomfortable, especially as you've often paid a lot to get onto that flight.
Also, 'in the unlikely event of an emergency, please try to get someone who clearly doesn't fit through the emergency exit through the door, then let the take up enough weight for 2 on the life raft'. If they want 2 seats on the raft, pay for 2 seats on the plane.
On a flight, you are not buying an "admit one" ticket onto the flight, you are buying admission and a seat on the flight. That's why you can't just sit in any seat you want. And if you need two seats, you need two seats. The airline's job is to make it the best experience for everyone. If larger people are not willing to be considerate to their fellow passengers by buying another seat, they should not be flying.
If a person is so large that they are "bleeding over" into another passenger's personal space, they absolutely should be paying for two seats. Normal-sized people should not be forced to suffer the stench and gargled breathing of an obese person who cares not only so little about themselves, but the people who are forced to maneuver around them. Is going to jail is a deterrent to crime, maybe this policy will be a deterrent to eating that second piece of cake or that third Big Mac. Disgusting.
If there is a set price for one seat why should they get a second one for free if they choose to gorge themselves ( in most cases) to death let them pay for a second seat . We live in a PC world now where people are afraid to speak up if your a fatty you got to pay the price it's harsh but true
As airline companies look to fit more people into a single flight, restrictions have been made on baggage and other things. Seats are also getting smaller as well. Everyone needs too think of other peoples perspective. For overweight people, not fitting into a single seat would be not only humiliating, but also uncomfortable for them as they are fitting into a space smaller than them. For the person sitting besides them, it would also be rather uncomfortable, because even for average sized people these plane seats are rather small. It would provide comfort for both parties if the overweight persons was to pay for another seat or if both parties were travelling together, they could even pay half each for the second seat.
We're not "bashing" on obese people but its extremely uncomfortable sitting next to someone who doesn't only take their space on their own seat, but also yours. Its ridiculous that people argue otherwise. And honestly, its no ones fault for people being fat, so why do we have to endure sitting next to one? If they decided to be, or stay, obese, that's their own fault, so pay for it.
I say that if airlines don't want complaints, they should make obese people pay for two seats. It is their fault for the space they need. They can cause a disturbance! I've had my share of shoving past obese people just to get to the bathroom. And all I can say is that the person sitting next to that person looks miserable.
Regardless of HOW you got to be the size you are, if you don't fit in a single seat do the right thing and buy two out of courtesy to the guest sitting next to you that doesnt want to wear you all the way to their destination. Because it may not be your fault you are so large, but it is certainly not the person next to you who is responsible for your oversized girth
Shipping freight is charged by weight. Goods, Livestock etc., etc., Musicians often have to buy seats for their instruments. If big people buy an extra seat, they can fit into the space provided, instead of overspilling on top of the unfortunate's sitting next to them who are cramped enough already.
If additional seats are still available, airlines should allow larger passengers to take 2 seats at no additional charge, as this would do no disservice to other customers. However, on a totally booked flight, if a passenger taking up more than 1 seat precludes another passenger from being on that flight, then he or she should have to pay for a 2nd seat. It's certainly not an ideal solution, since people can be overweight for any number of reasons that may or may not fall under their control, and since airplane seats are comically small to begin with. But the only party with 0 fault in this scenario is the smaller passenger unable to sit in the seat he or she purchased.
Say you were standing next to an obese customer at the counter in KFC and you both ordered two pieces of chicken with fries but just as they were about to be handed over one of the servers takes a piece of chicken from your box and puts it in the obese customer’s box. You’d complain, wouldn’t you?
So would you accept the explanation that you had to give up part of your meal because the obese customer needs more food than you?
That’s exactly what airlines say: normal passengers have to give up part of their seats because obese passengers need more space.
Both pay the same price for the meal, both the same price for the ticket: it’s not fair that normal customers should subsidize the obese in restaurants and it’s equally unfair that they should subsidize the obese on planes.
Although I believe the blame is also for the airlines for trying to squeeze as many seats on an airplane as possible, I think everyone knows that economy seats are small with no leg room, and if you want comfort - you need to upgrade. When they buy an economy ticket and spill over into the neighboring seat, it's selfish... They do this purposely, hoping for an upgrade or that the flight isn't full and they get the second seat for free. If I am paying over $500 for a return flight, I want to be comfortable, and not have someone taking up half of my seat with their excess weight. Maybe the solution is that obese passengers book a first class ticket, and then claim the difference from their health care provider as a "medical expense". Or if the flight is sold out, maybe they get bumped on check-in to another flight, as there won't be room to accommodate them.
Each person pays for their own seat. A fat person's butt overlaps onto someone else's seat making that passenger uncomfortable. Too much weight on an airplane is hazardous in an emergency fat people are slow creating another hazard for passengers. If air fare is expensive fat people can lose weight or find another means of transportation.
Airlines are about buying space and weight. 50kg is 50kg whether it is cargo or lard. It costs space and fuel to shift it in a plane. I have to pay extra for baggage the same as anyone else. If it's attached to my gut and thighs I don't see the difference. Physics of combustion doesn't care if the fuel burned to shift that weight is person or suitcase. Those nasty carbon compounds will be made just the same. On the down side... If they buy two seats they get two dinners which is probably close to the genesis of their problem in the first place.
Space on an aircraft is limited. Ticket cost generally equates to the amount/cost of aviation fuel consumed during the flight. If a person takes up more space and their excess weight consumes more fuel, they should be charged accordingly. For comparison...When you post a parcel, you pay by weight. What's the problem?
It's unfortunate that a larger person has to pay double for another plane seat, but it is what it is. It is not fair that someone take up twice the amount of space as others and still only pay for one seat. The airline would lose money otherwise. Additionally it poses a safety issue as well as makes other passengers feel uncomfortable when they must sit next to someone trying to fit into a single seat this is too small for them.
We pay to carry more luggage and fat people pay for more food. Their huge bodies ooze into other peoples seats making discomfort for normal size passengers. If they can pay for twice as much food as they need they can pay for 2 airline seats and have two meals on the plane. I have sat next to huge passengers and not even been able to rest an arm as their blubber covered the armrest between us. Fat is a choice in 99% of cases, hence there are no fat people where food is less available!
It seems that in recent times obese individuals have not taken responsibility for their own debilitating condition. It is absolutely ridiculous for larger than life passengers to claim that some people are just 'big boned' or 'genetically predisposed' to be obese. If you are not willing to put down your twentieth Big Mac or the day, then I am sorry, you will actually have to pick up your wallet and pay for the extra seat.
I fly regularly on business and for holidays and a large percentage of the time I am forced to sit with my shoulders in a very uncomfortable position simply because the person next to me is too fat for the seat. Why should I suffer potential future shoulder and neck issues because of someone else's lack of self control with food?
Off Course they should. It was their choice to get that size so why should us normal size people suffer because of them!! They need more space, more fuel used and they cause discomfort to the neighbouring passengers. We have to pay for extra baggage weight so they should pay for their blubber!
I recently flew. Ahead of me was a very obese person in the line up where we check in with luggage. This person had a carry on and a bag. They weighed her bag. All ok. Then my turn. I am 110 pounds. My bag was 10 pounds overweight. I paid a hefty penalty charge for my overweight bag. Fair??? Enough said. Get it.
Fat people should not be allowed to fly because a). They take multiple seats, depending on their sheer morbid obesity, b). They increase the chances of the plane falling out of the sky by 300%, c). Besides taking up the seats of three people, they also eat the same amount as three people, commonly starving out the plane and causing a riot which will eventually take that plane and all of its obese anchors and toss it down to the depths of the ocean!
There's a reason smokers have to pay more for insurance. THEY CHOOSE to smoke and they don't quit. Yes, food, like smoking, can be an addiction. It relieves stress, and offers a moment of pleasure. But both these addictions increase the risks of death and elicit all kinds of complications, such as making anyone who sits next to you uncomfortable and claustrophobic. It's not fair for the victims of second hand smoking and it's not fair for those who have to pay full price for half their seat and a fraction of the quality of travel they deserve for their money. Reasonably, the amount of space people get should be proportional to how much they pay. You don't see Burger King handing out a 32 oz drink for the price of a 16 oz one, but airlines seem to defy logic and allow fat people to take up much more space than they paid for, at the expense of others. In addition, the extra weight that a plane of obese travelers would increase the energy needed to keep the plane in the air, and raise costs as a result. Furthermore, let this be a wakeup call to obese people. Having them pay more would serve as impetus for them to loose weight. It's good for their own health, increases their longevity, and most importantly, relieve all those healthy people out there who are tired of being squeezed. Remember people, obesity is a choice, and like smoking, it can be conquered, through exercise and a healthy diet. Don't give me this "I'm fat but that's just who I am and stop discriminating against fat people/ Respect me for who I am" garbage. Take a look in the mirror and make the change in your life.
It is not right to charge a normal-size person the same amount for 1/2 of a seat as they do a person who uses 1.5 seats. The airlines charge more for 1st class seats and priority seats with more leg room so why not charge extra for more seat room if a person needs it? If a normal-size person and an obese person paid the same amount for their meals but the restaurant took 1/2 of the normal-size person's meal and gave it to an obese stranger at the next table, how would that be right? Obesity is almost always self-inflicted. I don't understand how an obese person thinks they are entitled to 1/2 of my seat. If I was too big for one seat and had to fly, I would either purchase a first class seat or buy 2 seats out of courtesy for the other passengers. I would think it would be less embarrassing than having someone fuming about me taking up their seat or having someone say something to a crew member about moving to another seat.
I hate that this is a problem that I must worry about. I only take up my seat, but I dread seeing an overweight person walking towards my row. In addition, I have a problem with my shoulder when I sit. I would be able to compensate and it would not be an issue if someone else was not in MY SPACE. Either find a way to fit into your own seat, fly first/business class, or buy 2 seats. I don't really care as long as your problem doesn't become my problem. Being overweight is not an avoidable handicap.
They should have a weight maximum for one seat. Yes it would kind of suck to pay more but unfortunately there's costs associated with being larger far more than just food, things such as medical bills and bigger cars, transportation ect. If this is deemed to unfair than at the very least airlines should give a second seat to people who are that large. I know some people will also hate this because this will increase the average cost per seat for everyone but at least then you wont have to worry about being forced to be the person who only gets half a seat. I will say it is NEVER appropriate for someone to have to give up half of their space they paid for; so give the large people extra whether or not you want to charge them additional fee's.
Okay think about this:
You just boarded your plane. You're sitting in the middle seat. & there are three seats on each side of the plane. You come to you're seat. You noticed a fat person is seated on the window seat and a fat person is seated on the aisle seat. Both these people are so fat they take up the whole middle seat and there is no where for you to sit. You call over the flight steward, and he claims there is nothing that they can do.
If institutionalized discrimination against obese individuals were to end, obese individuals should be treated like any other passenger on the plane. Airlines tickets are sold based on seat, so if one takes up two seat, would it not be just that they pay for that seat as well? Just a thought
I'm a relatively big guy, 6',1.5" 230 lbs. Not gigantically obese, weirdly broad shoulders.( Actually relatively fit and an avid cyclist.) I don't think I would be forced to but the extra seat but if I was bigger I wouldn't object or I would just drive when possible. I hate being crammed in as it is. When someone my size or larger is beside me we are both uncomfortable. Most of our society is obese, and we may as well deal with this. No sense in subjecting others to being squished by my body, and forcing them to be uncomfortable. The airlines could give a crap, they will squeeze all they can into the space provided as long as they can get away with it. They treat us all like cattle as it is.
I think that people who are obese because of their own eating habits or lack of exercise need to realize that nobody else made them that way. It is unfair that their lifestyle choice should affect others comfort. If it is because of a medical reason or something out of their control I think they should get the extra seat for free. While they might not like it, there is no denying that they are in fact, obese.
So i aint paying more for them to take up another half of my seat. I just think that its selfish for fat people think that its our fault for them being fat and WE have to be the one suffering for them. Look on the bright side, they get 2 meals for themselves too.
You pay for a space on the plane. There is a seating chart and any airline will tell you the width of their seats. When paying for a seat, passengers pay for that specific width and leg room, and each paying passenger is entitled to all of that space without encroachment. This is why first class is more expensive. If this wasn't the case, then airlines would have stadium style bench seating.
Saying that having to pay for two seat spaces to accommodate your body is unfair is vacuous at best. It's like going to a furniture store and expecting the store to charge you the same price for a double size chair as they would a standard size chair because you are too big to fit in the smaller size. If you can't fit into a Fiesta, you wouldn't expect Ford to give you a F150 for the same price. This isn't discrimination, it's simple economics and reason. In other words, it's common sense.
For those of you that argue that it's not fair for an obese person to buy two tickets, the question I ask you is: Is it fair for the person who takes up one seat to have to share half the seat with them? They paid for a full seat and fit in it. I don't think it should be just "obese", it should be, you need to buy two seats if you are wider than a certain amount. Traveling is already hard enough and not comfortable,
I hate it when the person next to me is so large that there fat and rolls spill into MY personal space. I paid good money for this seat and I don't want to share it.....Unless of coarse you'd like to split the cost with me. You don't want to pay for an extra seat, well guess what? I don't want you in MINE!
Being obese in completely preventable. Unless it is a severe medical condition that you can't take medicine for its ok. I have sat next to numerous people on airplanes that took up half of my seat. I think that being fat is preventable and can be fixed. So it's your choice.
I eat two McDoubles, statistically I am obese 6'2" 250 Lbs, but 36 inch waist.
Super skinny friend eats 4, a fat friend eats one, another fat friend eats 6.
We all pay according to what we consume.
A mini car is usually cheaper than a large SUV due to resources used in construction.
When an airline needs to give you more space and expend more fuel you pay more.
I take up one seat, not very comfortable, but I fit.
If the airlines change to "pay what you weigh" and offer larger seats I'd be on board.
Yes, economy seats are ridiculously small, but there's nothing we can do about it - if you cannot fit inside your seat, you should have to buy two - not take half of a seat somebody else has paid for. It's for the comfort of ALL passengers - more comfortable for both parties.
Tt is not fair that you pay for your seat and an obese person sits down, immediately raises the armrest ,and sits on you hip the entire flight. That happened to me on a flight from Phoenix to Seattle and I didnt have the heart to tell her to put the armrest down.
And that they deserve to be given special treatment because of it. Their condition is a lifestyle choice due to their own laziness and ignorance and if they choose to act that way then they should have to pay for a larger seat to accomodate the bodies that they have chosen to let get that way
If you take up more than one seat, pay for more than one seat. I was once on a flight where the woman next to me was obese, she could hardly get her tray table down and would need to put her drink on mine. She did appologize but it meant I was unable to raise mne when i wanted without her taking her drink back. Also she had difficult getting out of her chair and had to rock herself out which left me with elbows and shoulders to the face. If I needed to get out of my seat she said it was to much trouble for her to get up so I had to CLIMB over her. NOt only very uncomfortable but also dangerous. If there was an emergeny landing I would be stuck waiting for her to try and get up before I could leave.
Carriers bottom line is determined by physics, the fuel needed to move x mass to y destination. The more mass, ie. The greater the x, then the higher the cost. Thus, passengers who require the carrier to move more x should pay for it. Likewise, passengers needing less x to be moved should pay less.
People larger than 1 seat should pay for more than 1 seat! Maybe this will mobilize people who cant fit comfortably in one seat to push the airlines to expand seat size for everyone. I have been squished against the arm rest on two occasions and even though my seatmates were apologetic and pleasant...It was uncomfortable for me!
On a plane, you pay for an certain space/volume on the aircraft defined as a seat. If you exceed that, you should have to pay for additional space. I fly a lot and I cannot stand having someone rub on me or having to crunch not to have someone rub up against me. It's so uncomfortable and it is truly unbearable on long flights. People should have to go through a standard measure just like they do with bags. If you can't fit, buy another seat!
If I pay for a seat, I expect to get that whole seat, not 75 to 90% of it. If a fat persons bulk is taking up part of my seat, I am not getting what I paid for, and the airline is at fault for allowing that situation to occur. Moreover, I should be able to expect a certain level of hygiene while sitting in my seat. If the fat person next to me is sweating/smelling/rubbing against me so that it affects me, the airline should be responsible to make sure I am reasonably comfortable. I don't see how it is possible for a morbidly obese person to sit next to me without violating the contract I made with the airline.
If your size is so large that any part of you -- shoulders, gut, thigh -- spill over into the space that could be occupied by another passenger, you should pay for two seats and use them. It is not comfortable, safe, or right for anyone else to pay for an entire seat and then have to sit next to you and lose any part of that space. The really big people also have the potential to cause weight balance issues for the aircraft. Obese people should also pay significantly more for their health insurance. On a personal note: Five years ago, I weighed 194 (5'1") at 50 years old and by sheer hard work and daily discipline, I was able to lose 84 lbs. In 10 months. This effort also went against my genetics and I did it without any medication or surgery. I happen to be one of the laziest people I know. It can be done.
When you buy airline tickets you are paying for a service, and any personal characteristics that would increase the cost of performing that service should be reflected in the price of that customers airline ticket. A superior method of decided how much your trip would cost would be paying for the space taken up, as opposed to paying for the service. If you are paying explicitly for the service, then you are to be flown from one place to another for one universal price no matter your size or weight. If instead, and this seems the fairest option to me, you are paying to be seated in a space proportionate to your body size (or paying additional funds decided by the weight of the individual) for the duration of the flight, then naturally larger passengers would have to pay more (no matter if their additional weight/size is added by fat or muscle).
When the cost of moving objects, at the energy level, one should consider the mass and volume of the object, and the amount of energy needed to move it. This is the primary reason for "flat rate shipping boxes". It is assumed that a standard volume and weight is associated with the container (if it fits, there's a good chance it won't be over X pounds in weight). In the same sense, a seat can be thought of as a flat rate human container. Buying a seat is buying on unit of the aircraft's capacity in terms of weight and volume.
Therefore, it only makes sense that "if it doesn't fit in the box, it doesn't ship".
Also, while people complain about humiliation and other factors, there is no reason an airline should be responsible for its customer's sense of shame. There are many things a person can be ashamed of: substance addictions, bad wardrobe choice, general awkward demeanor and more. If any business were responsible for the emotional well being of its passengers (to a standard, for the sake of argument, the same general principals as the Nuremberg Code).
Also, obesity is not the only way to take up too much space. Body builders are also large people; people that don't "fit in the box. It is not that the airline industry should disregard and discriminate against people who are heavier. However, the airline industry is a business and like any business, must generate revenue to stay afloat.
On another note, there really should be no argument here as airlines are companies and can set their own prices and policies. If an airline decided to charge three times the market price of other airlines, it would go out of business. However, it is allowed to do so. In the same sense, airlines should be able to set their own policies as they please, and those who disagree can simply not fly. Flying is not a right, it is a service provided by a company (unless one owns his or her own private airplane(s), then that is a different story).
I do not think obese people are evil. I am married to one, and have obese friends, but when I get on a plane I am paying for what is admittedly a very small space, and I want every inch of it. When morbidly obese people book one seat on a flight they know they are going to be taking more than their share, that they will be depriving another of what they paid for and deserve. All flights are full today. Imagining you will have an empty seat adjacent is baseless fantasy. When you obese people spread your butts onto my seat, as happened on a Southwest flight this week, forcing me to fly with a hot sweaty stranger's body pressed against me shoulder to knee, you are violating my personal boundaries in a way no TSA agent ever has during a pat down. The violation must stop. If the airlines want to put in superseats for you, fine, I'll support that, whether you get them free or have to pay, but until they do, please be self-aware and pay for the space you need, and stop touching the rest of us in ways we'd really rather not be touched.
I eat healthy and exercise and weight 55kg. Yet I get penalised if I take over the allowed hand or check in baggage allowance. So why should a person who takes two seats and checks in 20kg of bags not have to pay? Obesity is not disability! If you take 2 seats you pay for them!
Being overweight is something that can be overcome and they do not have a reason to be so fat. They are giving themselves health risks and then moan when they dont fit into normal size things and complain that it isnt fair. If they need 2 seats then that is down to their own fault and we should not accept it as a normal thing because if it is seen as normal, it will become common and what kind of society would we live in if being unhealthy and unable to do things is the norm?
Plane seats are so tight for most people why should you have what comfort you have compromised by someone who is overweight a problem they can control.
Overweight people need to realise that their problem when flying is a potential problem for another fellow tarvaller who may have a medical condition which if there is no freedom of moment causes an ssue for them.
Fat people is a big problem in the world now. It is a big disappointment when you get a seat next someone who is literally spilling out of the seat. If you take up enough room for two people you should pay for two people! This is gross and I feel that if you did it to yourself that it is at your own fault!
To be obese is a choice most have, except from those suffering from true illnesses(By true I mean being depressed because your fat and eating because of that doesn't count). Airline seats are big enough for the average person, and anyone who chooses to be twice that should have to pay twice rather than squishing the person next to them and making them uncomfortable. Bigger people way more so they take up more space and burn more fuel and they should be responsible, also this will help to give obese people a reason to exercise and slim down.
Unless it is a medical issue, to me obesity is not a disease or disability. Its a person not seeking help or changing their eating habits and exercising. I am an obese person due to a severe car accident which made it so I couldn't walk for 2 years. Mind you I ate a ton of comfort food and ballooned to 330lbs. I am a lot lighter now ( still going) and am much more happier. I must say the most enraging thing that obese people do is use those motorized carts in the store and can't walk to get all the stuff they want to eat. I remember when I had to walk around using my crutches which was very hard with my extra weight and a broken leg and watched a woman about 400lbs, get off the cart walk down the aisle and around the corner with no problem and grab a box of Twinkies and go back to the cart and drive on. That is just pure ignorance! If you can walk, then freaking do it! Don't make elderly disabled people or people with broken legs and such walk because your too lazy to walk! ( all the carts that day were used by obese people, who when leaving the store had no issues walking out as I was leaving at the time too). So if they wish to fly with their larger frame then they sure as heck should pay for what they wish to suffer with. There is so much help out there to lose weight or get help and so forth, that why should others suffer for them not getting help and such.
When I purchase a seat on a plane I don't want someone else using part of what I have paid for and don't want someone else's body fat touching me. It is rude for obese travelers to assume it is okay for them to do this. They should be seated beside people their own size who also want to take up more space than they paid for.
If the person is big enough to make the person sitting next to them uncomfortable, then yes I believe they should. It may be uncomfortable and embarrassing for them to have to have two seats and pay for them but it is not fair for them to make another person uncomfortable.
It's not fair to your neighbor who only gets half of a seat (or less). You pay for the space you take up in each seat and with luggage--you should get a discounted rate if smashed in half of a seat the same way you have to pay extra for heavier or extra luggage.
So fat people should pay for two seats. If fat people think this is not fair, it would be more unfair for normal weight people who paid the same price and get half their butt pushed to the side. Moreover, obesity is something highly preventable, I see no reasons why fat people should be not charged for two seats.
If you take up 2 seats you should have to pay for 2 no questions asked. Last week I was on a bus, there was 3 larger guys all taking up 2 seats each. I sat on my seat uncomfortably for a whole hours journey hanging on with one arse cheek as the obese man sat next to me began pushing me further and further off. It was an unpleasant experience one that I do not wish to repeat, but actually I was one of the lucky ones, as the bus was full we had to drive past people waiting standing in the rain, now had these 3 larger people been smaller there would have been 3 seats available and 3 less people having to miss out.
Obese people should have to pay more to fly on a airplane. Its not fair to the person next to them to be uncomfortable for the amount of time the flight is. An easy way to fix the problem is to require obese people to buy two seats or lose weight.
Seriously grow up and stop whining about "fat people rights" and lose weight. Stop comparing yourself to handicapped people. Handicapped people can't help it however obese people can help it. Obesity is beacuse of lazy people who eat Mcdonalds all day and don't exircise. I paid for my seat and I should get ALL of it not just half. You pay for what you use and if that is 2,3 or even 4 seats, then thats what you pay for. And no the constitution says NOTHING about fat people's rightd
If you take up more space than allotted for one person, you need to pay. There are many people that do control their weight and eating habits. If you pay for one seat you need to be able to fit in one seat. As the world gets more and more obese, those around them are suffering.
First off, i dont see how its possible to become so fat you need two seats but if you do the you should pay extra. It will help give normal weight people more space, its fair, and it takes more jet fuel to move a 400 lb person than a 170 lb person. Simple math.
Grow up and lose some weight, stop making life hell for me on a 12 hour flight. You pay for what you use and take up and if that happens to be 2 seats then pay for 2 or 3. I paid for my seat so I should get my WHOLE SEAT! Not just part of it.
If you have a medical note to say its a disease then thats fine, as its a disability, but for most people its their choice, so you are taking up more space, and burning more fuel so you should pay more - people should be charged depending on their weight, so it encourages people to lose weight
I believe that airline tickets should be sold based on weight of person plus luggage, and also take into account the person's size. If a person is very large, they should buy two seats. If a person is very small, they should be able to take more luggage.
I'm obese (trying to loose the weight), but I'd welcome buying two seats to avoid the embarrassment of trying to squeeze in between 2 people. As long as the 2 seats are actually 2 seats. My lard ass can't fit in one.
The amount of fuel a plane needs to complete its flight is based on its route, altitude and weight. A person that weighs more should therefore pay more because they cost the airline more to transport. It is a perfectly normal practice in this day and age to have to pay more to check in a bag that is over-weight so, although a little upsetting for the chubby person, I dont think it's fair for a thin person to pay the same as a fat person.
Just got off a flight with a morbidly obese guy spilling into my seat! It was extremely uncomfortable and I will complain to the airline about it. I don't think morbidly obese people should be allowed to fly unless they buy 2 seats or can afford business class. Its very unfair to other passengers.
Tickets are sold under the assumption that a seat accommodates one person. If the tickets sell out and you need two seats, what do you expect them to do? Make another seat magically appear? Kick another paying customer off? Make someone sit on or under you? Reserve an extra seat next to you at no additional cost? If you can't take responsibility for yourself and get your weight under control, at least have the decency to face the consequences.
The heavier the airplane, the more fuel it takes to fly the airplane. Obese people weigh more so they should pay more, if the various airlines can no longer (since passenger flights were first started) pay for the heavy person to fly. If someone must have two seats due to their large size, then they need to pay for two seats since airlines can no longer "subsidize" the heavy person's size and need for 2 seats. Maybe paying more for airline tickets to go see a beloved family member or friend, will motivate them to get help in losing their weight. Obesity which usually causes type 2 diabetes is a serious health condition!
This isn't about whether obesity is a choice, or whether fat people are inferior (they are not). Rather, the principle is simply that people should pay for what they consume. If you require more than one seat, you should pay for it. Airlines are already losing money, so asking them to provide bigger seats means everyone ends up paying more for the seats.
I fail to see how this is embarrassing. Nobody knows if you had to buy two seats; they only see whether you take up two seats. In fact, I'd think it's more embarrassing to be spilling over into your neighbor's seat, and look at him/her apologetically. That is, unless you feel like you are entitled to things other people have paid for (i.e., "you paid for your seat, but I have a right to half of it").
I do not smoke, gamble, drink, take drugs, have any mental illnesses, have a good social life, and a good family. I am extremely successful, and physically fit and healthy. I think that obese people should pay for the second seat. I am not a hypocrite. Not in the slightest. I can get that it may be hard to quit, but pff... People have quit heroin, cigarettes and alcohol before, why not sugar?
And yes, these people are different because they actually take up two seats, cost the airlines money to accommodate them, when they could have two healthy people, and twice the pay.
Yes, they should learn to put down the fork. It is disgusting how people cannot control their impulses.
In an airplane, weight distribution is critical. If the center of gravity isn't over the wings, the plane will crash. When you buy 2 plane tickets, the airline sees that as 2 people sitting there, thus letting them calculate the weight accurately. Make them pay more; it's saving your life.
Charge by space you need to board that fleet out like everyone else. Like land/property pricing per square foot/meter or size of hotel rooms, regardless of what lifestyle you choose to live by outside your purchasing rights and power, like everyone else. As for medical reasons and disability, up to the company's peer moral pressure to execute.
Everyone should fit in their place without intruding other passenger's space or pay 2 seats. It's really annoying when someone obese sits next to you, and occupies half of your seat as well. I payed my seat, I want it, it's only fair. Especially on long distance flights, sitting 8 hours squeezed by some obese woman/man makes the trip seem way longer and exhausting.
I myself am a little overweight, so don't think of me as a workout freak who is super ripped. However, when I am riding in the cabin, I don't overlap my seat, however I have sat next to strangers who did, and even when I was a kid, that was a little traumatizing. Also from a pilot's view, weight and balance and CGs (center of gravity) is very important, and if too many people are morbidly overweight, than it could make the flight impossible or dangerous, look up the importance of CG and weight and balance, luckily a typical flight has never had enough obese people to affect it. And seriously you most likely made bad choices to become that obese, so you shouldnt hurt others cause you can not fit in one seat. Now if you are overweight or obese but can fit in your seat without touching others, then that is fine.
Airline tickets should be sold per pound. I'm 115lbs and I'm almost always placed next to fat person/people which isn't fair because they take at least 20% of my space. Airlines lose money selling tickets to fat people and thin people are paying for the fixing cost. Why do we as HWP people have to suffer from something that we are not responsible for?
Someone has to eat the cost of carrying more weight. Airline pays more for larger seats. Fat people pay more for their seat. Skinny people pay more than their share for the same seat. It all comes down to how much weight can fit on the plane, and I think people should pay by the pound for luggage and their person. Its like shipping a package across the country. If it were the same price to ship a bike as it was to ship a skateboard, shipping companies would be out of business. Good thing its not politically incorrect to discriminate against bikes.
I believe that people who weigh significantly more than others (i.e. Obese people) should have to pay more because of downgrading customer rating, raising the weight of the plane (requiring more jet fuel), and ultimately making it impossible for other customers to enjoy a ride back home. One solution to this problem would be to institute adjustable plane seats and larger alleys in the middle of the plane. Obviously this would cost much more, but would apply to people of the larger class.
Airports are crowded everyday with passengers traveling overseas and this means there a limited space on planes to cope with the demand of the seats. If obese people are traveling they must take up two seats to possibly fit into a seat but this means they take up to seats while paying for the one which could be used to facilitate another busy passenger. This is why they must pay for the amount of seats they take.
Some people have pointed out that it is discrimination against overweight people to make them pay for 2 airline seats and that we're all equal on the inside. But this isn't about being equal on the inside is it??!! It is about the FACT that some overweight people are simply too large to be accommodated in a standard economy class airline seat. It is not about penalizing people for being fat. It is about capacity. If your body does not fit in an economy seat, then you need to be prepared to purchase enough capacity to comfortably and SAFELY accommodate you. People who purchase seats that do not accommodate their size compromise the comfort and safety of other passengers. I just saw a photo of a large man whose body was overflowing into the aisle. This simply creates a safety issue for people needing to use the aisle. If he had purchased 2 seats. This situation would be have been avoided. When large people buy a bed, do they insist that the bed manufacturer or furniture store supply them with a queen sized bed at a single bed price? I would doubt it. No, they probably buy the appropriate bed to accommodate their size.
I can't believe the hyper-sensitivity to a fat person's feelings. They know they're fat, this isn't going to be a shock, thought hopefully it would be a wake up call. Obesity is almost always preventable and is increasing epidemic in America. I'm not in Olympic athlete shape but if I notice my weight creeping up, I make a little more time for walking or the gym and I say "no" to the slice of cake. (you can refuse food, people will understand, especially if you're two airplane seat fat.) Where is the fairness in one person paying X for a seat and an obese person paying X for a seat but the obese person is taking up part of the other's seat. They should have to pay that person then to rent part of their seat. If you think it isn't fair to make them pay more, fine, put everyone over a certain weight in the same row. Let them see what it's like to sit with someone who spills into their seat. It isn't feasible to just make seats bigger either, the overall cost would go up for everyone. An airline could change a row to wide seats and then charge a premium for the lost real estate. They do it with first class. If you want more you pay more. They should be used to that...Or should we stop making people pay for that second round of appetizers or desert because it might upset them. You should pay more to get more.
If you are too big for the seat, you have to buy two. Just like if you want a second pizza, you must pay for it. It's really uncomfortable to sit next to an obese person touching you the entire flight with their legs, stomach and arms. Obese people should buy two seats out of common decency!
Last night I got into a minor altercation with a fat person sitting next to me. She said "Young man, please stop elbowing me, I am trying to sleep!" I said "We have a fundamental problem- I take up 3/4 of a seat, you take up a seat and a half, so there is going to be overlap and there is nothing I can do about it." At least the guy on my other side thought it was very funny... Made for one miserable flight, luckily it was a pretty short one. Obesity is at least partially a choice, genetics play a role but anyone who maintains a reasonably healthy lifestyle might not be super thin but they won't be so large that they take up a seat and a half- for this reason it is a very different case than a handicapped person, for example, who has no power to not be handicapped.
Sorry, morbid obesity from overeating is not a handicap. For it to be a handicap, the burden of proof should be with the obese person to show it is a glandular problem and nothing could have been done, as opposed to just eating and no exercise. I remember watching "The Simpsons" where Bart eats and eats to be over 300 pounds to get government paychecks and not have to work. At the time it was a comedy show, now its no longer funny as it is becoming real life. Republicans are no better as governor John Casick gave an overeating 450 lb obese murderer (deliberately gained 200 lbs in prison) clemency, and let him serve his time in a hospital at a cost of 6 million dollars and rising to the Ohio taxpayers. What about the rest of us responsible people who are unfairly encroached upon by sweaty flab? Everything's a disability now, including being a criminal, and I'm paying for it in tax dollars and higher fees. Now a days, it is us normal people who are being marginalized. I will look for the airline that has a policy. The airline which measures and weighs passengers will get my business, because they are looking out for me and other normal people.
Just because you live an unhealthy lifestyle, doesn't give you a special privilege over the rest of society. You should have to pay for two seats if you want to be comfortable. Disabled people are allowed to receive a seat for free because they are disabled. This should not apply to obese people.
I have read through a lot of the comments on this topic and many people who voted "no" rant about thin people? Come on now- this isn't against obese or thin people. Airplanes are trying to make a comfortable environment for everyone and it is VERY uncomfortable to sit next to a person that interferes with your personal space. Sometimes obese people take up their seat and half of yours. It would be more comfortable for both parties obese/thin if their space on a place was respected.
Believe that obese people should pay more. If an obese person takes up two seats they should pay for two seats. The airplane can only hold so many people and so much fuel. An obese person will take up more seats then they should have to pay for more fuel to carry them to their destination.
Personally I feel that I have paid for the chair, I use it, I haven't paid for my neighbours as well. Why should I have to share. In the UK we don't normally have the problem of the chairs being too small and it is only the minority that complain. Most of the time being fat is a choice, so maybe if you dot fit in a chair think about your problems first, not the airlines. They are providing a service and you are just being greedy. If you don't like it don't fly, but don't take it out on others. Sorry to the people who have no choice whether you are fat. But for the ones that eat excessive amounts of food, think over your eating arrangements before your seating arrangements.
Obese people should by all means have to pay for an extra seat in an airplane. It is not fair for people to be crammed by the overly obese, 400 pound man next to them. The slender man next to them payed the exact same amount of money to fly to the same exact place. So really, if they want to fly instead of walking or driving, then go lose some major weight or get out of the airplane.
I understand that some people are obese from health reasons but they should be controlling what they eat even more. The people around them shouldn't have to suffer with them, we have our own problems we're dealing with. For most people it is already uncomfortable to fly on an airplane but to be crushed by an obese person next to you because they were too cheap to buy another ticket is ridiculous. People with small children and babies buy another seat so do some people with pets, so why do obese people deserve special treatment? They haven't done anything to deserve it.
Everyone just says how the smaller people are uncomfortable and the big people don't care. That's so not the case. I'm a big girl and even I'm uncomfortable sitting in those cramped seats! Its not like we want to encroach on others space. So if I have to buy two so that I and the others around me are comfortable then I definitely will.
While I agree it will be difficult to accurately define who is "obese" and who isn't, I believe something should change. I would not classify it as discrimination in regards to the definition most people use. The question of should an obese person be charged for two seats isn't an attack aimed at their body size, but more at the simple fact that they take up more room than the average person who is not overweight. If they take up two seats and there is nobody next to them, then that's not as big of a deal. The problem arises when their body spills over to take up part of the persons seat next to them. That person had paid for one seat to themselves, it is not fair for part of that seat to be taken up by somebody else. Just as it is not fair for some random person to eat part of that sandwich you paid for, or someone to take part of your hotel reservation away from you. We live in a such a world today that money dictates a lot of things (I do not agree with it, but this is how it is) and for people today, what you pay for is what you get. So for those of you saying no, it isn't fair for someone who doesn't fit to have to buy another ticket, why is fair for someone else to have to deal with the fact that part of their seat is being stolen by the person next to them for sometimes hours of flight time. In closing, I don't believe this is solely an issue with overweight people, but more an issue with those who do not fit in their seats, be it overweight or otherwise.
It is necessary that obese people should pay for two airline seats.
Not only for their safety but also for other passengers' comfort.
If you provide the seat that passenger can't suit for, and then they can do nothing but take other passengers' seat so that cause other passengers who pay the money but space be extruded. It is real unfair not only for obese people but also other passenger. Moreover, it is not safe if they don't buy two seats,because the weight that aircraft can carry is limited. And if you can't sit well, how do you fasten your seat belts? If you can't fasten your seat belt well, your safety will has loophole. Therefore, I think the obese people should pay for two airline seats.
If an obese person has a legit medical problem that make them unable to lose weight, have a doctor examine them, then they can have the extra seat paid by medical insurance. Simple. That'll root out anyone who 'claims' they have a BS problem caused by low metabolism or genes.
Yes, I feel quite bad for the obese people. It has to be embarrassing to be so morbidly large. However, that's not my fault! I'm not the one who is obese, and shouldn't be punished for it. The only logical answer to me is to either have the larger person pay double the price, or me to pay half. Based on those two options I think we can agree one which one is more realistic...
I am not overweight but have often found myself sitting next to someone not just obese but very obese on a flight, which makes my flight the more uncomfortable because the overweight person needs lots of elbow room, thus decreasing mine. We pay the same price for a flight and I think this unfair. Often I have very light weight baggage too. I have seen overweight people taking maximum baggage on their flight. Can we not have a pricing system based on total weight of passenger and baggage? This would seem fairer to me.
If one needs more than a single seat, then they should pay for that additional seat. It shouldn't be based necessarily on weight, but rather waist size or how wide you are. Why should somebody who paid the same price as a wider person be forced to have less room? How can you say it is unfair? If they are wider and need more room, they should pay for it just like everyone else did. Somebody in first class pays for more room and so should wider people. It is discrimination in the sense that you are making a distinction between people, but discrimination for a reason. Even if they are like this for a medical reason, they should pay for it because they are using it.
Most obese people take up MORE THAN 1 seat, thus lifting up the armrest and letting themselves roll on over to the next seat. Not fair to a passenger buying a seat for themselves, they didn't buy it to share with someone. From actual experience from this it makes your flight uncomfortable and unpleasant having no "bubble" room for yourself. Obese people must pay more.
Fat people should be charged. How is it fair that I pay more for my over 50lbs suitcase but the 300 pound person flowing into my seat has to pay nothing extra. I paid for my seat and it pisses me off when a fat person takes up my space. If fat people don't like it they can rent a car or diet.
I am 5'1" and weigh 100lbs. This is my natural size without dieting or crazy amounts of exercise. I do not think I am better than people who are overweight in anyway. But I also don't think it is fair that on a plane I must share my seat with someone who doesn't fit into their own. It makes me feel uncomfortable and slightly claustrophobic for the whole trip. If I was 7' tall I would pay for more leg room so I would be comfortable. It wouldn't be the airline's responsibility to provide for my extra height. It just makes sense. If you need more room you should pay for extra space. It should not be a debate about why the person is overweight - that is no-one's business - it is just a matter of "You get what you pay for". I pay for a whole seat and would like the occupy all of it myself. I can't think of any other situation where I pay a lot of money to be unwillingly pressed against a complete stranger for 8 hours.
Last time I went to a baseball game, I had to switch seats because the obese woman next to me literally could not fit between the arm rests. She was sitting on them with no part of her touching the seat. Also, if we have to pay a fee for a bag that weighs fifty pounds, they should have to pay double that if they weigh 100 pounds above average.
Being overweight is usually only due to eating too much and not doing enough exercise. I go to the gym 3 times a week. I don't like it but I know that it is my responsibility to keep myself healthy. If someone needs more than one seat; they should pay for two. It is their responsibility to ensure they can fly comfortably and safely. There is too much PCness these days. Everyone rabbits on about their 'rights'. What about responsibilities? Simply put- fat people have a right to fly but have a responsibility not to encroach/ inconvenience others.
It's pretty straightforward. Flying a plane full of overweight folks costs more. More cash for gas. More discomfort for adjacent passengers. Some overweight passengers will take longer to board/disembark ... In aviation, time = money. Seems reasonable that anybody who might 'spill over' onto my seat should pay for the extra space that they clearly require.
I didn't make you fat, but you insist on taking up more than one seat...Maybe they should pay for the space that they use? Have you ever had to sit next to a grossly obese person, being unable to escape the gravity of their fat? Not only is it uncomfortably *mushy* but they can't help but to get their sweat and bacon grease on you. It is disgusting and rude.
By giving people the option of a wider seat for an increased cost, they could alter plane layouts for very small people. Maybe the first 2 rows become 1 seat longer, and in return the 2 rows at the back become 1 seat shorter.
Yes it seems unfair that smaller people could then pay less to sit in a seat, but I'm more than happy to pay extra to carry my 18 stone bottom half way across the world, as I know it would cost more.
This would provide for all sizes, and the only restricting factor needed would be - If they can't get their armrests down, they can't sit there. This is a safety requirement that often isn't met with obese people.
That way paying for comfort would be the goal, with safety in mind. Paying extra for transport, when 'transport' implies covering the cost of moving something from one place to another, should be like any other courier service. Pay per pound.
Offer them some disability transport allowance if they have medical reasons for their weight, sure, but for people who eat because they want to eat, then yes, they might be forced to go up a seat size, but that's just like a parcel being too big for standard parcel, pay the extra cost, or it doesn't get delivered.
If you eat two cheeseburgers, you pay for two cheeseburgers. If you buy a king size bed you pay more than you do for a twin. If you occupy more than one seat, you should pay for more than one seat. This is doubly true for an oversize occupant who may be infringing on the comfortable use of someone else's seat, which they have paid for.
It is not only the size of a seat which limits accommodating individuals who are significantly overweight. The overall weight on the aircraft is also an issue. Taken to an extreme, imagine if everyone on a particular flight was morbidly obese and each had only one seat? It might not be possible for everyone to safely fit, or the maximum takeoff weight could be exceeded for the aircraft.
They do not necessarily have to pay for two tickets, but at least half of it. Neither them, nor the passenger next to them feel comfortable sitting there. Maybe they should just get a separate section, for "3XL" people. Even though it's mean to say this, it is true; other people should not be suffering for this, especially if they paid the same price.
I was seated next to a person who took up half my seat, my complaint to the airline was that I had paid in good faith for a WHOLE seat and that I should be compensated. I was offered a 10% discount on a future fare that must be used within the next year.
While I am sensitive to the feelings of the person, I feel that I have rights as well and I think the airline should have positioned her in a more accessible seat with space between other passengers.
If you are so big as to physically take up the width of two people you should have to pay for two seats. On the other hand, Airlines have seemingly been making the seats smaller, so perhaps a better question is should airlines buy planes with fewer and bigger seats and who would pay for such a large seat if they are skinny?
I fly Jet blue frequently and they have come up with a way to do it. When you make your reservation, for a few dollars more you can modify your ticket to "more legroom" status. The seats are larger and the legroom is great. My 6'4" husband can actually fit. Yes it is a little more than coach but it's a world of difference.
Please note that I did not bring the o-word into the conversation. They really have NOTHING to do with it. More legroom is available to anyone who flies. There is always a risk of not getting the bigger seat and then you must decide whether you want to stay on the same flight or go to another flight which has more seat. So I say YES obese should have to pay an extra fee just as the as the tall skinny man, as the children, as the elderly woman in her chair all do.
Note about : Scorn and sarcasm are ugly - dump them!
The fuel cost of harboring a obese person is extreme. For a 10 hour flight it cost 3000 dollars per kg. This helps minor airlines to strive and earn profit. And it is very uncomfortable to be in a 10 hr flight sitting next to a obese so that's why I think charging them extra is right.
I'm sorry but if you are causing discomfort to the person next to you who paid the same amount, shouldn't you take responsibility in some form or another? You can start by losing weight, or have a signed and proves doctor's note saying you are genetically obese and losing weight isn't an option for you.
They're not even charging for the price of 2 full tickets--they are only charging 1.4-1.5 seats. That's a good deal to lessen the discomforts of others, act as a motivator to be healthier, and save the airline gas money. Killing three birds with one stone. I don't see why there's any debate at all.
If you choose to not loose weight and be healthy like all of those who do, you need to pay for the amount of space you use. If I bring a bag to big to fit in the overhead bin, I have to check it in and I pay extra for that bag rather than make it uncomfortable trying to fit it in the overhead bin. You people that talk about disabilities comparing obese to a disability. Yes, there are some obese people that are like that because of a medical issue, those are the exceptions. However, most people are fat because they won't put the fork down and they just keep on eating and not working it off. So if you choose to not loose weight, then you should pay for the amount of tickets you need for space.
My son is 6' 5" tall and he always pays for extra leg room on flights, so a person who is overweight should pay extra for taking up more space. I cannot imagine why anyone who is overweight should expect to pay the same price as someone half their size.
Everyone technically pays for space on an airplane, and when a large person uses more than that allowed amount of space, and worse, impinges on the space of the person next to them, they should pay more. The person in the seat next to them should get a partial refund, as they are getting less than the amount of space they paid for. That is the only fair way to solve this. Yes, this is a tragic/sad subject. I feel bad for overweight people, but we all pay more to mail a heavy package, we pay more for larger size clothes, etc; it's just common sense that a larger person should have to pay more for an airline seat.
Another thing to think about is that it costs more in fuel to carry heavy passengers (this is not an insignificant cost, we are talking many millions of dollars per year), so even as it is, obese people are getting subsidized by thin people for the cost of the ticket.
That's three ways overweight folks are not paying their fare share. They take up more space and take away space from their fellow passenger, and they use more fuel.
This is a simple case of economics. Airplanes use fuel to transport their cargo. FedEx transports packages via airplanes and charges by weight. Heavier packages going to the same destination are charged more. Why? Because it is a math equation. More weight equals more fuel equals more cost. We have supported a inequitable arrangement for too many years. In fairness to the airline industry, 30 years ago we did not have the obesity problem we have today. If you weighed between 130 and 200 pounds you were part of the majority. People who weighed 250 or 350 or 400 pounds were a small minority. Today much of the population weighs in excess of 250. The airline industry needs to make these changes to remain competitive. This is not a question of fairness. While I agree that I should be entitled to my own space in my own seat without the interference of your flab folded across my armrest, the issue to the airlines is not fairness but economics. As far as I am concerned it is time we begin to pass on the costs to everyone who chooses lifestyles that pass undue costs onto the shoulders of others. If you chose to smoke, any costs related to smoking should be born by the smoker including higher insurance premiums due to increased risk, higher costs for tobacco, etc. The suggestion that one should not pay for what they consume on an airplane (in the form of fuel) would be like suggesting one could go to a restaurant, order two meals and complain that they were charged double. I do realize that the argument made is that these fat folks have a disability, they have a disease, they have a whatever. I get that. I am back to the restaurant logic. It would be ridiculous to expect one could go to a restaurant and order two entrée but only be charged for one regardless of disease you suffer from. Why are we outraged when the airlines attempt to make the same case? And if we are unwilling to accept this reasonable position as a society then would it not make sense to offer discounts to the minority who don't fall into the obese category? I think that would be perceived as discriminatory if a preference was offered to below average weight folks. No, I believe that the most sensible business model would be to put a person on a scale along with their luggage and charge according to the total weight. If you carry on more, you pay more regardless of whether you are carrying it under your shirt or in your suitcase.
I fit into one seat. Now I don't want someone who is obese taking over both mine and their own space. It would be an uncomfortable ride for me and unfair. I'm not the one who let myself get that big. Stop whining and pay the extra ticket. Don't like it, walk!
This would encourage them to loose weight in order not to pay extra. Once one knows that they are about to travel, then they will embark on a weight loss regime before their plans. This will benefit the individual, the airline and other passengers for comfort. I am not criticizing but just discussing.
It is not comfortable to sit next to a fat person because they don`t fit properly in their seat and take one more half from the seat next to them. They are also so slow when it they stand up or get down from stairs so they take off from other people's time.
I believe that obese passengers should have to pay for two seats if they cannot fit into one. When people book their tickets, information should be given regarding the size of the seat and a disclaimer issued that a passenger must fit comfortably into one seat with seat belt secured and not encroach on the seats of passengers seated next to them or risk being asked to leave the flight without a refund.
It would be nice for airlines to offer wider seats for obese passengers, but if they did the number would probably be limited. With the number of obese passengers growing (pardon) those seats would book up fast, so the 2 seat purchase would no doubt have to be deployed anyway.
Perhaps it's humiliating and not nice, but most of the flights these days are full so if a person of size has booked only 1 seat, it is likely they will spill over into the seat next to them and that is totally unfair to that passenger. It's more of an injustice than charging the obese passenger more to fly.
For those with the "its not fair" argument:
Discrimination? The only people who say NO argue it's "ALL ABOUT THEM." What about OTHER people?
* How is it fair to the person who is not overweight whose personal space is being invaded?
* Fat people CAN lose weight, and if it is a problem they should do something about it.
As for HEALTH problems... It is a very SMALL percent and they should still have to pay because it is still invading other people's space!
* Wording/description: If a passenger cannot fit in an aeroplane seat without significantly making the passenger next to them uncomfortable, then they need to buy two seats.
* Airlines should accommodate more people - THEY DO> and IT COSTS!!!
Airlines do offer larger seats already - business/first class... Where you PAY MORE for MORE SPACE. So if you are fat and need the space - pay up!
* Comparison to handicapped/disabled: they don't CHOOSE to be that way. Not losing weight is choosing to be fat.
IF you are skinny and a fat person has their arm/leg/stomach over their seat, then perhaps people who are not fat should allowed to just have their pillow/bag hanging over the fat person's seat - see how they feel about that.
* Embarrassment: LOSE WEIGHT.
There is a standard in plane seat size, and if you are obese and therefore not standard size, you should pay for 2 seats. Or at least pay half to the one next to you, for stealing half of his space(if he agrees to that). If I pay full price for a plane ticket, I want full space.
You guys that think they shouldn't have to have obviously have not sat next to a fat person. They slouch over and intrude on your space. It's wrong. All fat people are capable of losing weight if they have the will power to do so. Fat people should be required to pay for two seats if that is the space they are taking up. Treat fat people that take up two seats like two people, not just a fat person that only takes up one.
Fuel consumption is directly related to the weight of an aircraft. Heavy baggage directly translates into increased costs. Excess baggage can be stored in the cargo bay but an oversized person needs to be seated and in many cases may infringe on the space of others. They need wider seats.
It is not fair that their fat takes part of the other passengers seat. They paid the same price for an airline seat but now they are only getting half a seat at the full price. It is unfair to them. If they do not buy an extra seat they should be forced to take a less full flight.
If I am paying extra just for taking 3 kilo extra load, why shouldn't someone pay for his/her extra load? Every time I travel outside, I tend to bring memoirs from that place for me and my family and naturally every time I pay extra. Last time there was this short lady who had at least 10 times extra weight than my extra luggage and simply walked through the gate, gave real pain to the guy she sat with without paying any extra.
The heavier the airplane, the more fuel it takes to fly the airplane. Obese people weigh more so they should pay more, if the various airlines can no longer (since passenger flights were first started) pay for the heavy person to fly. If someone must have two seats due to their large size, then they need to pay for two seats since airlines can no longer "subsidize" the heavy person's size and need for 2 seats. Maybe paying more for airline tickets to go see a beloved family member or friend, will motivate them to get help in losing their weight. Obesity which usually causes type 2 diabetes is a serious health condition!
Me and my wife do not weigh 18 stone between us and when we got charged £40 for the extra weight of three bottles of vodka I saw in the next queue three very large people bound for the same plane - two adults who were around 20 stone each, and their daughter who looked about 10 yrs old was around 12 stone. When I pointed this out it seemed discriminating.
Not unreasonably we have to pay for speedy check in, priority boarding, extra leg room, so why not extra width? Incremental units can, at this stage, only be per seat and therefore for whatever reason you want or need extra width then it should be paid for. The problem will be deciding who needs extra width.
If you use twice as much of a resource, then you should pay twice as much. I don't care if you can't help your weight either - it may not be something you can help, but I sure as hell shouldn't have to suffer because of your problem. It's the hand you were dealt, so take responsibility and do what needs to be done.
If you take up two hotel rooms, you pay for two hotel rooms. If you take up more luggage than you are allowed, you pay for that. If you take up more parking spaces at a parking meter, you pay for that. No ones being singling out, its not part of your rights and there's nothing wrong with it. What you pay for is one seat, if you need more than that you pay for that.
Regardless of seat sizing, etc., it costs money to move things from one place to another. As it turns out, people who are bigger take up more real estate on the inside of a plane, and therefore cost more to move. Your feelings do not count for anything in business theory and economics.
The fact of the matter is, whatever your personal opinions or views on fat people are, if you physically weigh SIGNIFICANTLY more than the average airline customer, think about how that affects people . No, one or two obese people isn't going to bring the plane down. 5 to 6 people who are overweight or obese sat on one side of the aircraft WILL affect how it flies, and WILL cause weight balance problems.
If you have enough mass that your body does not stay in your allocated space, you are affecting someone next to you. Its not like people/airlines/anyone want to discriminate. It's not that they want to have these issues, but the reality of it is, If you are fitting that criteria, you are the problem.
So why not go for a different solution, where a fat (2-seat fat) person could have the option to pay reduced fare, in exchange for being lower on the flight priority list for the plane they want to be on? Let everyone who can fit on the plane first, fit on there, then you get on, and at even cheaper prices! Won't even need to pay for an extra ticket unless you wanted to take the priority away from people who will comfortably fit into the sardine can in uniform rows
Changing the argument by saying "but you wouldn't apply these standards to black/Asian/smoker/white/blind/tattooed/bald/deaf people", none of these things are the same, so to dismiss the reality that you put people through by taking up the extra space and assign yourself into an entirely different criteria of person, is burying the issue.
The point is not to punish fat people. It is to pay for the extra seat that could have gone to another paying customer. My unhealthy smoking or drinking in my free time does not cost the airline any money like having to give up extra unpaid for seats would.
You can't force airline companies to pay more just to accommodate them. Wider seats? Then that would mean less space and less people available. Wider planes? Nope, because airplanes have standards to follow and they might not be able to fit on the runway. The other passengers? We're not paying to be uncomfortable because someone else didn't want the discomfort of eating less or exercising.
If it pisses you off that you actually paid for 2 plane tickets, I suggest using that money for gym or some professional help if you have physical or mental problems (like depression). For me, the only exception is if they have glandular problems or something similar that makes it very hard or impossible to lose weight.
The real key is that there are innocents - those that bought a seat and are crowded out by those that, even if the arms come down, spill over into the seat next to them forcing a person against the aisle or window. Airlines should refund their seat, which would motivate the airlines to actually charge those that are too big to fit into the airline's overly small seats.
You have to pay more to ship heavier packages via air mail, it's only logical to charge obese people more. Especially when they take up large portion of a row of seats and their presence makes it uncomfortable for other passengers sitting beside them, who are also paying customers. .
I think it is so sad to make an obese person pay for two airline seats. They are most certainly already embarrassed, and to make them take up two seats is inhumane. Airlines should make more of an effort to offer larger seats. It would provide comfort to smaller people and allow bigger people to easily fit.
What does one mean when they say obese? Are you using the medical term (which as far as I'm aware deals with %fat and stuff), looks (like that person looks extremely overweight), or weight (that person weighs 300 lbs)? If you use the medical term, then you are descriminating people by a medical condition. If you go by looks, then it is all opinion based; anyone could be obese. If you are going by weight, there are too many varables. Mussle, for example, weighs more then fat but we don't see body builders having to pay for two seats. If you go by weight, then skinny/annorexic people should pay less because they weigh less.
It's embarrassing enough please don't do that to us. I would love to be skinny but can't I've tried every way possible. I think the airlines should do some thing like providing bigger seats they make enough money out of us. I am sick of thin people thinking they are better than us!!!!!
Does fat people wants to be fat? no, almost of them try to lose their weight, but they can't because of their constitution. Also, When I go to airplane, almost of them had some empty seats! they don't have to pay for two seats.
I think that obeased people should not have to pay for 2 airline seats. That is the most unehicle thing I have ever heard! It is sad enough that overweight people have to deal with life. Now they might have to pay extra for personal problems, NOT COOL. F.Y.I. I'm 12 and i have more maturity than the shalow, self absoarbed jerks that answerd yes in my tibia than in their entire bodies combined.
Since 2008 it is the law in Canada - one person - one ticket - zero discrimination. And guess what - We are making profits on our airlines! On another site I saw people compare the shipping of boxes to passengers who are large.. declaring that heavy boxes mean you pay more.
Good grief - how cold is that. And just an fyi - I weigh 112 pounds so this is not something I personally benefit from.
Why should they stay at home because of their size. Not always their fault? Thin people are few and far between now, airlines should accomodate them.
Let them fly at single cost, it is buisiness after all.
Airlines make big profits so let big people have a holiday. Give them a break!
Thin, disrespectful people: get over yourselves. You judge us for what problems you THINK we have. I don't judge you for being sickly thin, for popping feel good pills, for your many failed relationships, for your mental illnesses--and the list goes on and on. Some of you are the most unhealthiest people I know. And yet, you think you are qualified to judge--get your life!!
Please don't flatter yourselves--not all large people are humiliated, ashamed and embarrassed. Many of us live well productive, successful lives.' As a matter of fact, I graduated in the top of my class from a pretty well known university. I am successful in my business ventures and I make positive contributions to my community. I have great friendships and relationships. My husband adores me. I have been offered a new position based on my qualifications, skills, talents and wonderful personality. People love and respect me for my swag--not my size!!
Airlines: businesses market/adjust to their customers, never do we expect the customer to adjust to our business--otherwise we would not profit. You make bigger seats, for bigger wallets. You need to start making bigger seats, for bigger hips.
Potential business owners: there is obviously a niche/market in the travel industry geared to the larger population. I would love to see you take my idea and run with it. All I ask is that I (along with my fellow thick men/chics) get to travel with peace of mind and excellent customer service!!
Supporters of The Living Large: I love you for standing up for what you believe in and accepting the concept that I(and other big people) are human and should be treated as such!! Thanks for keeping your humanity.
A Big Beautiful Woman
Airline tickets are sold per individual, not per pound. And, the fact that this has been an ongoing debate, for so long, exemplifies the fact that there is a need for the airlines to address this issue. People should not be penalized because of their weight. This smells of discrimination. The airlines are a customer driven society and they should do what they can to make their present, and potential, customers happy. Would it really be putting the airlines out too much to accommodate their larger customers?
No, it seems pretty unclassy. Businesses should be accommodating towards everyone, regardless of their size. This isn't so much an argument of fat vs thin or anything, but I just think it's a rude and a bad business policy. Regardless of what you think about people with extra weight, there is no need to make them feel uncomfortable.
Why are skinny people who complain about fat people are a bunch of hypocrites? Are these people the same people who are alcoholics? Or problem gamblers? Or smokers? I remember the old days when smoking was allowed in planes, I am a non-smoker and every time I wanted a non-smoking ticket, it was taken! Then when I'm in the plane, you see the imbecile smokers come from the non-smoking section to smoke in the smoking section! That really peed me off and just shows how people are a bunch of hypocrites! Why don't the airlines just make bigger seats for bigger people, they do make bigger seats for people with bigger and fatter wallets! It's called first class and business class. Also sugar is a drug, an addictive one too! Now for all those people who say to fat people to stop eating and go on a diet, why don't you stop smoking? Or stop gambling? Or stop drinking? Oh yeah, that's right, its hard, isn't it?
So just because a person is bigger than another they have to pay more? This means that you are singling people out. So basically you are saying that because you are heavy you can't travel? The airports should just make bigger seats. And maybe the heavier people cant lose weight, maybe there is something wrong with them that they are not able to lose the weight, or maybe they are busy. They could be a single parent and have to work to feed their families and have no free time to hit the gym. So personally I believe that airports should accommodate their passengers. Just like when the passengers wanted food, bathroom, and extra leg room, they got it. So why not make a row or two of seats a little bigger?
Why People Should Have the Right to Eat as they Please
Did you know that according to a recent Washington Post article, legislatures in at least 25 states are currently debating more than 140 bills aimed at curbing obesity. That is taking our rights away as Americans. I do not think you can just tax away this problem.
New state laws currently under consideration would restrict the sale of soda and candy in public schools, require fast-food chains to post fat and sugar content directly on all menu boards, and even attempt to tax the fat away. Restricting the sale of soda and candy in public schools would cause some students to have a withdraw of sugar and hence causing students to become jittery and jumpy. Posting the fat and sugar content of items on the menus at fast food would drive away customers, in some way, fixing the problem, but then hurting the business and then that leads to layoffs. It's an individual responsibility issue, not a government issue.
Also the government is thinking of placing laws that make it so a company can not advertise unhealthy foods to children on television. Many smaller businesses advertise to a younger audience and without this audience to advertise to, Many small businesses would go out of business, hence hurting the economy.
Ideas are being thrown around that suggest that people that are obese should have to pay a higher income tax. This is a terrible idea, the people that had fathers and grandfathers that were obese and had to inherit that are paying for something in witch it is impossible for them to control.
Also it is keeping unemployment up by the fact that some employers refuse to hire people that are obese. This is hurting the economy and the unemployment rate. Unless it is a job in witch one would have to be very physically fit and active (such as a fire fighter) It makes almost no sense to discriminate against an obese person and not hire them other than the issue of heath care. The heath care reform has made it so there is no problem with hiring obese persons unless it is a physically demanding job.
If people do not want to take responsibility for their actions and how they eat, that is nobodies problem but theirs, not the governments, not the heath organizations, just theirs. Richard Berman, executive director of the Center for Consumer Freedom in the Washington Post article. "If I'm going to shorten my own life by eating too much or being too sedentary, that may not be much different than shortening my life by riding a motorcycle without a helmet on." And that is your American god given right to do so.
Ideas have been proposed that if and obese person loses weight then they should be rewarded by not having to pay as much income tax as they usually would. The only problem with that is, who would be there to police that and make sure they actually lost that weight and not just said they did.
If what you are doing does not hurt anybody but yourself and it is not proven addictive then there should not be a law to outlaw said thing. Also if there are laws placed ( like in New York and San Francisco) where they outlaw drink that are more than 16oz, people could just buy more cups of the 10oz drink which makes the law useless and corrupt.
Some airlines are charging more to obese people to ride their planes. This is probably the high point of discrimination of obese people. The airlines excuse for this is that carrying the obese uses more fuel than just carrying people that are not obese
They have it hard already. What type of country is this if we are not fair. If These people cant fly fairly nobody should. It may cost more for fuel so they should divide the cost between all of the people aboard the plain and make it a least fair
Overweight people should not have to buy two tickets. It would be unfair to them because they are being discriminated. It hurts overweight people's feelings for them to be told to either buy another ticket or leave the plane. They should make larger airline seats. Imagine how you would feel if you were them.
Everyone with an open seat next to them prays the seat next to them will be empty and cringe when an extra large person walks down the aisle, hoping that person will not sit next to them. Though it makes it uncomfortable for both the large person and those sitting around them, there is no defined, objective means to determine who needs to purchase the extra ticket. As an alternative, airlines should offer larger seats at an extra cost for those too heavy to fit in a standard seat. This alternative would take the discomfort out of flying for those that may just be giant people by nature, including tall and muscular, not just the obese.
Handicapped people don't pay for special considerations and neither should the obese. I do however support a larger seat section at a slightly increased fare but we all know the world isn't a one size fits all place and the obese shouldn't be penalized for it.
I believe that it is wrong to make obese people buy two plane tickets. I think that airline companies should just build bigger seats in anticipation that obese people will be riding. It is not right its unconstitutional and unfair, just because people are overweight doesn't mean that they aren't human and don't have feelings.
Make the seats bigger. Simple. I'm sick of our discriminatory country. Grow up and treat all people with respect. Next you'll have the obese (which is pretty much the entire country) sitting on the back of the bus. World War 2 was real. Sickos killed people with differences . Lets be beyond that please! Peace please!
You people are terrible. These are regular people that just happen to be bigger than the average human. Put your self in their shoes for a second. You would feel insulted and ashamed of yourself if other made you pay more. Plus, the cost of an airline ticket isn't cheap.
No I don't think that they should have to pay for two tickets because that is just rude and it is going to make them feel bad about themselves. They are people to, they shouldn't be treated different just because they are bigger then some other people. That is just going to make them not want to fly because they are going to get judged by alot of poeple. They always get dirty looks and get talked about when they walk by, they get laughed at and called names. And it hurts their feels, so stop.
If everyone was overweight then nobody would be having this argument right now. Overweight people are still people, just like the skinny people want to fly, the overweight people want to fly. Everyone is not skinny, everyone is not overweight, but everyone is different. If overweight passengers need two seats to sit in, let them go into a section were two or three seats are made as one whole, just for them, like a bench or something. That way they would only have to pay for one seat, everyone is happy, the end. :)
What if they are fat due to a medical condition? The ones who say yes are inconsiderate of people's feelings. They do not wish to be obese and should not be treated differently just because of it. What if they fit in one seat? It is common knowledge it is illegal to discriminate on weight.
These larger passengers should not be financially differenced because of how much you weigh. The person next to you might feel uncomfortable, but if you are large, you're still a human being. Do we tell people who are European, Chinese, or Asian that they have to buy an extra seat because they aren't American? NO. So, what is the difference? It is very cruel to a person to say they are fat by making them buy an extra plane ticket.
I believe that obese people should not have to buy two airline tickets. Obesity is a growing problem, not because of the amount eaten or because of the laziness that everyone claims obese people have. That is not true. It's because of the unnatural things we almost have to put in our bodies nowadays.
Nobody asks to be obese. If it were up to any one obese person, I would say they're not too happy about their own weight. The only reason they may seem unapologetic on a plane flight as because they have to hide the shame they feel; the shame YOU make them feel. It can't feel good knowing that you can't fit in one seat. A plane is a plane is a plane. It's going to be uncomfortable anyway! You're just looking for a reason to bring somebody else down. Plane rides make people crabby, we get it! But you can't take it out on somebody else because they're different. That's exactly what many countries are fighting against!
All of this talk about fuel and weight limits? Really? The only way the fuel difference would be substantial would be if there were 20 more obese people than normal on the plane. When is that going to happen? Obese people are people, and a weight is a weight. They have all the same rights as you do, and they should not have to pay an entire other ticket. Not only is that way too much money for a circumstance that many people have nowadays, but it's discriminatory against a certain group of people for an entirely wrong reason.
The companies should just build bigger seats for those obese people. If a guy is fat, or chinese, or European, there is no reason to be differentiated financially amongst others. Overweight people should not have to buy two tickets. The companies must subsidise the costs of providing large chairs on planes with no additional payment.
Why is everybody so mean nowadays. Everyone is said yes is quite clearly not obese themselves. I, myself am not obese, but to those who said yes imagine being obese. Would you like to pay 2 tickets? Money doesn't grow on trees and its unfair to those who are mentally ill or have genetic DNA of obesity in them, to pay more. Even if one doesn't have mental illnesses or obesity DNA in them it is still unfair for them to pay more. It's exactly the same as the Holocaust where the Germans would kill the Jews based on their race. This is discrimination. How can society stoop so low to discriminate obese people and make them cough up more money because they themselves are uncomfortable. Here's a solution: Airlines should generate bigger seats. Everybody wins. I, myself, have sat next to a obese person and yes it wasn't pleasant but it's still not rite for them to be paying for an extra seat. "Pay what you weigh" is something that should not be endorsed because this gives a bad impression on children especially to see that obese people are different, and as such will be treated as so. This should not happen. JUST STOP DISCRIMINATING AND GET BIGGER SEATS! Be nice.
Quite honestly I feel thath airlines should make seats on planes bigger. After all, there really isn't enough room for most average people to ait comfortably on longer flights. Stop being greedy and start being considerate of your passengers! Nobody wants to be made to feel like a sardine in a cando they?
Sort it out and nd stop being so moneygrabbing by attacking the vulnerable in society!!
I think that it is very unfair that obese people have to be charged for two seats and no, I don't think they should make it law. That is totally a stupid statement. If obese people have to pay for two seats, do anorexic people pay half the price for using only half a seat? Obese people do not have magic money or magic pockets! They don't have ATM written on their forehead either. Give them a chance, they are still human and they shouldn't be treated any differently.
Written from a young lady with overweight family members.
Well first of all, how the heck are fat people supposed to know if they need to seats since you have to pay for a seat in advance? There's really no way to know. As a very small woman, I can even say that airline seats are entirely too small. We need to stop placing responsibility on the person who is too fat to fit the seat and start placing the responsibility on the airlines that need to create larger seats.
No they shouldn't have to pay double. It's disgusting. Airlines already make enough money out of people now they are trying to make more! Absolutely outraged by this debate. Discrimination written all over it. All of the people voting yes are just as disgusting in my books. This topic shouldn't even be debatable.
I work in the hotel industry and, when it come to accommodating guests with special needs we bend over backwards and eat the cost to make our guest say comfortable. The airline should stop worrying about making money and treat their passengers fairly.
When I first heard about this policy, I thought it was a joke. Now that I know it's a real policy, I shake my head in disappointment.
Forcing people to pay for 2 tickets because they are overweight is just as ridiculous as forcing a person with long legs to pay for 2 tickets. People with long legs are forced into their neighbors space just as much as an overweight person. Personally, I think they should just allow more room per person. Thin or overweight nobody enjoys being forced to sit that close to a complete stranger.
The airlines should have larger, more comfortable, and roomy seats for all passengers regardless of size! We all pay a large amount of money to be packed in like sardines for what reason again? And the thought of making an obese person buy two of those outrageously high priced ticket just so the thinner people are more comfortable is ridiculous! Everyone should be comfortable. Don't we pay for that? And to pick on or discriminate against obese people is morally wrong and rude. We do not know that person's health conditions or medical history, but to discriminate and embarrass them for the way they are is very wrong.
This is a ridiculous statement. Obese people should not be penalized for something that they may not be able to help, what if they have a disease that makes them that way? I knew a girl in 4th grade who could not stop eating, she was just always hungry, being overweight was completely inevitable for her. This is discrimination to obese people and should NOT be practised.
I am a fat person, and I would NOT like to have to pay extra and buy TWO seats on airliners! First off, I'm a kid! Why do I have to buy TWO seats just because I'm FAT!
That is humiliating citizens who are already humiliated.
You must have a heart of stone to ask someone for more money just because they are overweight. How would you like it if you were obese and had to pay more money to fly? Just because you may be bigger than everyone else on the plane doesn't make you are inhuman or that you should be treated differently. Some people have health problems and can't help being overweight. I am 13, and I am disgusted that people have actually considered doing that.
What if I was racist and it made me uncomfortable to sit next to a black person. Would they make black and whites sit in different sections? NO. You don't know why someone is the way they are! It's not fair and WRONG. I'm shocked at how many people are cool with this.
One person one seat they should not have to pay for two they just have to book on less crowded planes its unfair to everybody. Everybody is all shapes and sizes they all are different you can't make fun of them. One person should not have to pay for two seats.
Judging someone who is obese is the same as judging someone who has horrible body odor. You can have an healthy person sitting on a plane, but what if that healthy person has an odor that is uncomfortable for people to have to smell. Do we charge that person extra for making it uncomfortable for others. Like all these things are considered discrimination regardless. So lets grow up shall we and think of a way to help instead of ridicule and insult.
i really don't think that they should pay more, i mean maybe they don't have the money to pay for 2 tickets but they do have the money to pay for 1. i mean plane tickets are not cheap....So they shouldn't pay more for them.
I am a very slim person myself but I have some family members who are slightly overweight (but not obese), and I would be mortified for them if they were told they would have to pay for an extra seat. What if someone had bad breath or gas? These people should be left to enjoy their flight in peace.
Whether obese or not, its only one person, and its fair that it pays for just one seat. It is also just fair that it uses just one seat, so the airlines companies should provides seats not only for obese people, but for tall people too. Or maybe provide adjustable seats. What is not fair is the company charge those people more, only because of their situation, sometimes even not controllable, like when in cases of diseases.
Just like there are clothing lines that cater to plus sizes, petites, and big & Tall, there should be an airline that reaches out to bigger people. "Tired of that lifted armrest stabbing? Come fly with us. We offer bench style seats." "Tired of getting stuck in those small aisles? We offer 4 feet of space between each aisle and each row."
I have a brother who is obese and I have not seen him for 3 years. When offering to buy him a ticket to come out for thanksgiving he said no. After pressing him for why I found that the experience of flying as an obese person includes so much shaming that he would simply rather not fly. Flying is an integral aspect to our modern society where traveling across country is more and more of a norm. It does not seem morally right to bar obese people from progressing with the rest of the "skinny" nation because of their weight. It places them at a severe disadvantage that simply cannot be justified.
They are people too, and they have feelings, you telling them to pay more is absurd. The only reason they should have to pay for 2 is if they actually take up two and if someone needed the seat. It is not fair to have to pay more if you are bigger. JUST MAKE BIGGER SEATS!
One persons weigh is not worth 2 seats, Airlines should make the seats wide enough to give everyone room, because even the average person is to wide for the seats they make.. 6 abreast seating should be no more then 4.. Just like the Luxury movie theaters at Galaxy Theaters..
No they should not pay for two tickets to take up two seats on a plane. It is a longer ride and harder for the pilots to fly it be they are so big. The skinnier people should have to pay less that is why I said no to that statement
Obese individuals should not be charged extra while other more fortunate individuals will go about their normal business. I believe that this situation may follow discriminational aspects that racism and many other disturbing aspects lead to. Why would a sane homo-sapiens pay money to be publicly humiliated in a not so discrete way? This is a rhetorical question, the answer is you don't.
-Desert Shadows Middle School Student
I am deeply saddened by the ridiculous comments in the yes column. Some of these comments are the same ones that were (still are) made about gay people, people of color, etc. We shouldn't make policies based on our personal biases. If we do, we also have to acknowledge that one day it will be our turn to be penalized because something about us doesn't match somebody else's view of things. Airlines need to make accommodations for different kinds of customers. It is really the airlines that are being irresponsible and unethical.
The problem is excessive reduction in seat size by airlines trying to reach a bigger profit margin. Their inefficient and expensive business practices are destroying the industry. The current method of high cost aircraft financing and other expensive operation will destroy the industry in the long run. Customer service, particularly in the U S, continues to degrade annually.
Not all obese got that way by choice. Im amazed and saddened by the ignorance and anger americans harbor must be a lot of miserable people out there. To charge them for 2 seats will just add to the already overly abused and ridiculed i think people just want a reason to point the finger and abuse someone.
I also agree with everything you guys say, but another reason is because they'll need a lot of money. What if it's a family of obese people? If it has to be at least fifty words, it's also not fair because mine was really short. Anyways, if obese people travel a lot, and they have to pay for 2 plane tickets, they might get bankrupt.
I am very skinny, but I still think it is not fair that "bigger" people have to pay for two or more seats. Maybe they should pay a little more, but not the price of a full second ticket. Or is the case that planes need bigger seats for bigger people! It's expensive enough for one ticket, imagine paying for a family trip of four people and having to pay double for an obese family! I am totally against this.
So obese people should pay more because they are obese? Airplane tickets are expensive enough, and now you have to make them feel embarrassed and leave the, with less money? Some obese people have medical problems which is why they are obese and they probably have to pay for all those medical appointments they are probably poor enough as it is just from that.
This is the thin end of a very large wedge. Allowing airlines to discriminate against a group of passengers now, will give them implicit permission to do so again in the future. Air travel is hard enough now with decreasing seat space and tightened luggage allowances making life difficult for travellers, more restrictions will lead to more restrictions- watch it happen!
Obese people are the same as us. They display discomfort and embarrassment when told their are too large and must purchase two seats. This is an issue of equality, or is it? Have the airplane companies raised this issue to ensure the comfort of their customers, or is it their lust of money taking over? This is the thing. If the airplane companies cared that much, they would fit the aircraft with the appropriate seating to fit the weight of all of their customers. They wouldn't single out and discriminate against people that are large and want to fly in THEIR aircraft. Some people are not fat voluntarily and are battling their weight, or maybe it's a medical condition. The larger people could be recommended to purchase a business class seat, save their humiliation when told to buy two, and also get to fly in comfort. This is one of many solutions that avoid on-the-spot humiliation, discomfort and embarrassment.
When I saw the topic, I my knee-jerk reaction was yes, obese people should pay more for a ticket. Why not - we discriminate against smokers, so why not obese people? They are both a choice of unhealthy lifestyle - people are not born obese. However, on reflection I realised that there would be numerous problems with this. Where would we draw the line? How would we classify if a person is obese or not? What measurement device would we use? BMI? - Well that would be discrimination in itself because it was originally based on men, so it shouldn't be used in the first place on women. In fact, most weight descriptors are incorrect for many reasons. What about skinny people; would they get to pay less? Would we charge overweight people? What if a shorter person was obese but weighed the same as a taller, skinnier person? After thinking about this in more detail, I think one has to come to the conclusion that charging people that weigh more for a plain ticket is unfeasible - it would never work. And finally, if it was my airline, I would not want to deter potential heavier customers from using my business.
Not every one is the picture of health. Some people are big because they are genetically wired to be a bigger person. Airlines should stop cramming as many seats as they can onto a plane so they can get more money...Then maybe someone of a larger size could actually fit comfortabally in a single seat.