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The head must rule, not the heart.

  In all practicalities, Scotland would not earn nearly enough money to cover the welfare system in place or any of the public sector employment. The welfare system in Scotland costs £104 billion per annum, with 20 billion approximately being the cost of the NHS. Scotland has a GDP of between 1 and 10 billion per year -depending on which sources you examine - which includes oil royalties. Without the trade and only 2 million tax payers to cover the costs it is an ill-conceived idea to consider independence. It is very likely that without the Royal Mint, Post Office, Pensions and EU membership that Scotland would survive 10 years without approaching the UK to rejoin. On a post script note, it is worth noting that 80% of the employment in Scotland is in the Public Sector which means that some employed in the Public Sector now, would lose their jobs. All pay would be decreased with a massive surge in taxation.
Andy-Mac says2013-03-16T18:04:05.727
The UK has to borrow 20 billion a month to tick over.

The UK debt is nearly 1.5 trillion.

Within this, Scotland's deficit is less than the UK's by 820 pounds per person per year.

30% of UK corporation tax comes from the North Sea (then there's the oil revenue itself of course). What if this tax, and the top oil jobs accrued to Edinburgh? What if, on top of this, the military underspend of a billion a year were replaced with a defence spend in line with Scotland's ctual needs? And what if we didn't have to pay our share of the obscene trident replacement?

Things would begin to look very different, I think.
Anonymous says2013-03-21T20:44:53.763
Erm.. Scotlands GDP is around £150bn. Not between £1bn and £10bn..
Anonymous says2013-04-29T15:12:18.200
Scotland spends £20Bn on Welfare and £10Bn on Health as the 2 biggest expenditures according tot he Treasury approved GERS reports.

Scotland raises 9.9% of UK taxes (including Oil and Gas) but is only 8.4% of the UK population. In fact even without Oil and Gas we are still higher than the UK average for Tax receipts.

Your figures are totally made up.
Anonymous says2013-04-29T15:44:32.343
I don't think there's a single statistic you quote which is anywhere near correct! Public sector employment in Scotland is around the 24% mark, lower than in most Scandinavian countries. Your figure of 80% is utter nonsense.
Anonymous says2013-04-29T16:13:41.557
Stay off the disco biscuits you zoomer, what a load of havers.
Anonymous says2013-04-29T16:58:28.867
Scotland has a population of some 5.3 million people.
The English Government and sadly most of its people still go on about the fact England subsidises Scotland.
Let’s see shall we:

Scotland between April 2011 and 2012 had the following income
Agriculture £657 Million
Fishing £520 Million
Tourist trade £6.2 Billion
Hunting, fishing etc. £225 Million
Whisky sales worldwide £4.3 Billion
Oil revenue £124 Billion

I could go on with facts and figures, construction up 8%, quarrying, mining etc. Up 2%, wholesale up 10% and transport etc. Up 4%.
Scotland in terms of earnings and expenditure was in all only (-0.6%) down due to the worldwide economic situation.
The UK as a whole (-1.5) a difference of (-0.9) down, so Scotland per head of population earns more than the rest of the UK put together. Ask yourself this where does most of our country’s earning go?
Ask yourself this too, if we as a small population still generate more than England, Wales and Ireland together why can’t we got it alone as the Unionist claim we can’t?
Makes you wonder does it exactly who keeps who going in this so called Union.
Scotland has a population of some 5.3 million people.
The English Government and sadly most of its people still go on about the fact England subsidises Scotland.
Let’s see shall we:

Scotland between April 2011 and 2012 had the following income
Agriculture £657 Million
Fishing £520 Million
Tourist trade £6.2 Billion
Hunting, fishing etc. £225 Million
Whisky sales worldwide £4.3 Billion
Oil revenue £124 Billion
Over 13 Billion in exports to the USA
Spain
France
Italy
Greece
Germany
Growing market opportunities in China Brazil and Russia
I could go on with facts and figures, construction up 8%, quarrying, mining etc. Up 2%, wholesale up 10% and transport etc. Up 4%.
Scotland in terms of earnings and expenditure was in all only (-0.6%) down due to the worldwide economic situation.
The UK as a whole (-1.5) a difference of (-0.9) down, so Scotland per head of population earns more than the rest of the UK put together. Ask yourself this where does most of our country’s earning go?
Ask yourself this too, if we as a small population still generate more than England, Wales and Ireland together why can’t we got it alone as the Unionist claim we can’t?
Makes you wonder does it exactly who keeps who going in this so called Union. Wake up their shafting us and always have been Vote YES
Anonymous says2013-04-29T17:40:14.757
Your figures are completely wrong. At least try to find out the actual figures before posting such nonsense. This is the internet after all and ty are readily available to anyone who can actually be bothered to find them.
Anonymous says2013-04-29T17:55:52.543
Just so you know 25% of employment is in the public sector in scotland. Did you just pull these figures out of your rear end?
Anonymous says2013-04-29T20:05:43.337
If this post is indicative of BitterTogether supporter's view, I would be terrified to form an alliance of any shape or form with such people. The foundation for any relationship is trust, and respecting TRUTH is key that end. Now either the poster is unaware of the numerous statistical untruths in this post, or is LYING. So either Incompetent or Lying. Which is it?
Mafia505 says2013-04-29T20:59:53.313
So much wrong with this I don't know where to start. Quite an astonishing level of ignorance however. Makes me a bit sad really...
Anonymous says2013-04-29T23:10:29.217
Perhaps the original poster would have the guts to make a comment on here explaining these totally false figures. It may be that he/she is totally ignorant or is lying. Would like to know which.
Anonymous says2013-04-30T19:26:23.477
80% employed in the public sector ? I doubt it. The actual figure is 40%, which is less than England, Norway, Sweden, France and quite a few more European countries.
Anonymous says2013-04-30T19:52:56.287
What hogwash... Please go and do some proper research.
Anonymous says2013-05-01T02:38:19.367
Oi anon, the public sector eoyment in scotland is 24% if you are going to correct this numbskull. Do the research yourself.
Yeghishe says2014-08-10T18:02:56.037
Scotland might struggle during the first few years of independence, but after that it would get on track and possibly surpass the economy of England. It's Scotland's oil that's keeping England wealthy at the moment
Debater13451 says2014-09-30T14:41:44.087
Why would a country want to depend mainly on oil? Scotland might survive but it won't thrive. Unless Scotland finds some other industry other than oil if the market drifts away from oil or oil runs out, tax will increase incredibly. Also Scotland's policies for independence are essentially the same as Westminster's policies with some minor restructuring.
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