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Should the MLS implement promotion and relegation? Yes or no

Asked by: DebatethatJack99
  • Take us Seriously

    Around the world people laugh at America because they think out soccer is all about money. This will make people take american soccer seriously. Also teams in the USL are better than teams in the NASL, same with NASL. Also the size shouldn't be a problem because China and Russia do it well.

  • Let's Get On Board with the Rest of the Soccer World Already

    North America (US and Canada combined) has the dubious distinction of being the only soccer-playing region that lacks promotion and relegation. As a result, our club system is littered with failed teams, a joke of a youth development system, and our men's national team is consistently outclassed on the international stage. America deserves better than this. If Russia (from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok) can have pro/rel, there's no excuse for the US and Canada not to. We need to make it happen. In the meantime, go to www.openpyramid.com and learn how we can make pro/rel happen with our current system's restraints.

  • Of course we need it!

    Increased competition among teams and players, allows markets that MLS ignores to compete to be top flight. Closed off single entity crap is old, and doesnt work. The sport isn't meant to be ran like the NFL. USSF needs reform. It's a shame FIFA is corrupt as well and doesn't make us abode by FIFA law. LET'S CHANGE THINGS!!! @cfcskyler

  • If you want to give US clubs the same opportunities as the best in the world - Yes.

    Promotion and relegation is a bigger part of soccer than the home run is a part of baseball. Removing it carries real consequences to both to big league and lower division clubs.

    Club soccer isn't like isolated US pro-sports. Unlike the NBA, NFL, et al, top-flight soccer clubs play each other in consequential international matches all the time - and just as importantly, they compete in a similar open market for viewers and fans worldwide. It's part of the allure of the game. It's how it works. It's different than American pro football, basketball or baseball. It plays out on a global stage.

    What makes international competition in club soccer possible? There are no salary caps on most soccer clubs - all over the world. Each is free to build a club with all support available to them. Virtually no limits.

    What makes a league with no salary caps possible? Promotion and relegation. Fragile nature of closed league sports system with no pro/rel encourages caps and other micromanagement to keep competition closer. In the free and unfettered global market of club soccer, all you're doing in a closed, micromanaged and salary capped league is limiting the quality of your own clubs in international competition on the pitch and with consumers.

    Simply put, what works for an isolated pro-sports league like the NFL doesn't work for MLS. Soccer is a game built on opportunity. Our clubs deserve the same opportunities as any in the world. The market demands it, and the system on which that opportunity is based is called promotion and relegation.

    Where the system handicaps top-flight US clubs, it absolutely strangles lower division clubs. So much of the passion, interest and investment seen in lower divisions all over the world is wrapped into to the unlimited possibilities unique to an open system. Without that driver of cash and cache, it's no wonder lower division soccer clubs in the US suffer so intensely next to their global contemporaries.
    Under those circumstances, it's no wonder hundreds have failed since MLS arrived on the scene in 1996.

    You want US clubs to be allowed to play fully fledged roles on the global stage, you must support promotion and relegation. It's that simple.

  • How could one not want Pro/Rel in America?

    How could one not want Pro/Rel?

    Why would any soccer fan in America not want Pro/Rel?

    Why would any soccer fan in America want to limit 100% of clubs below MLS and be fans of franchises instead?

    Why would any soccer fan in America prefer a pointless regular season only to play a tournament to decide who's the best?

    MLS is embarrassing. I grew up learning what soccer was from watching European soccer. MLS is anti soccer. It's anti real growth. It's anti small town. It's anti everything.

    But, MLS is pro-MLS owners so may as well be for MLS right?

    MLS is anti-soccer media writing anything negative or else they're banned so may as well be for MLS right?

    Pro/Rel for the good of the sport...

  • Because Pro/Rel is an obvious way to better our usmnt

    How could one not want Pro/Rel?

    Why would any soccer fan in America not want Pro/Rel?

    Why would any soccer fan in America want to limit 100% of clubs below MLS and be fans of franchises instead?

    Why would any soccer fan in America prefer a pointless regular season only to play a tournament to decide who's the best?

    MLS is embarrassing. I grew up learning what soccer was from watching European soccer. MLS is anti soccer. It's anti real growth. It's anti small town. It's anti everything.

    But, MLS is pro-MLS owners so may as well be for MLS right?

    MLS is anti-soccer media writing anything negative or else they're banned so may as well be for MLS right?

    Pro/Rel for the good of the sport...

  • The MLS is small

    If the MLS want to get bigger they should use this. It would encourage people to watch even if their team is out of title contention. If your team is in 15Th out of 20 why watch if they won't get relegated. Also it would attract more foreign fans who are familiar with this.

    Posted by: tpsg
  • I think it would be a good idea

    I think promotion and relegation would be a great idea especially for teams located in cities that would not be considered big markets or don't have any other sports teams nearby. There are already MLS teams in places such as San Jose, Colombus, Portland, and Salt Lake City. These are markets that have been skipped over by the NFL and MLB. However each one of these cities has had success on the soccer field and are well supported clubs. Other cities such as Orland and Minnesota (just recently) got their starts in a lower division and are now ready to move into the MLS. Sacramento is also trying to move from a lower division to the MLS. Promotion and relegation would help teams from smaller cities and be beneficial to teams from big cities as well. However, I think pro/rel. Would have to be implemented slowly (like once every 2 years) or would have to be conducted like in Mexico (1 team is relegated every year but the average point total over 5 years is what is used to decide which team gets relegated. Well, sort of. It's a little more complicated but it works ok.)

  • More Opportunity in the U.S.

    I think sooner or later the MLS should implement Pro/Rel. The question isn't "if they will" the question is "When will they". A common argument is that the country is too big in size, but Russia and China do this system and they are way bigger. Any town could have a club(small,medium,or large).

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