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  • LGB are sexualities, not genders!

    LGB and T are two very, very different groups and should be treated as such. LGB are sexual orientations, while T has nothing to do with orientation. T is about gender, nothing more. I believe that by dropping the T from LGBT will benefit the transgender community.

    If transgender people had their own community, they would be able to focus more on gender issues rather than having to be involved with orientation issues as well.

    As it stands, having the T included in the LGBT acronym makes it look like a sexuality rather than gender related, which is harmful. It's logical to separate the LGB and T because they're completely different things and I'm sure it will clear up much confusion to those not familiar with the concept of transgenderism. This is all coming from the viewpoint of a lesbian.

  • The T crowd needs to get some manners!

    Whenever I hear the trans* crowd's activism, I hear a lot of rude, space-invasive people who just don't give a tinker's damn about anyone other than themselves. This harsh, invasive tone I hear from them, as well as their violent threats against their detractors and violent lashing-out in public, are in essence, a declaration of war on anyone who isn't just like them in every way. They demand that their every whim be catered to, yet ignore the real need for women and girls to have their own separate spaces. This is clearly creating a hierarchy of rights, which is unacceptable. What's more, anyone can declare a trans* identity which no one is allowed to question or challenge lest they be 'transphobic'. This is especially pernicious when we consider that this will allow any sexual predator to dress en femme and use trans* as a false flag to enter women's only space with legal and social impunity, there to take their victims in the only spaces women have where they can let their guard down, free from the male gaze.

    The trans* community is going to have to get a grip on itself and accept that they are not the only people in the world with rights and feelings. We cannot allow the feelings of the few to override the needs of the many. The trans* crowd is going to have to check / correct its collective autism very soon, or it'll soon find itself ostracized from society and treated with the same disdain we give to child molesters.

  • The T dosn't even exist

    There is no evidence to suggest that trans-people have legitimacy.(its comparable to the trans-species movement) Not only that but even if transgender-ism were legitimate it is completely irrelevant to sexual orientation and someones sexual preferences which is what LGB is and should be about. Trans-gender ism solely focuses on this warped idea of gender meaning there is no parallel between the two.

  • I dont understand you people

    This person is completely right, All you LGB"T" supporters dont understand the problem we have, you think we should all be identified in the same label, Its just like racism, they identified all colored people in one label, why cant we just seperate them out to help everyone, Anyone who says no is a Real Homophobe. You dont understand us, I dont want to hate transgender people. But being isentified with them increases discrimination, so please stop complaining about this. Stop trying to think your a mesiah because you support 'all people'. This person is right.

  • LGB = people who are sexually attracted to people of the same gender

    Transgendered people are men who wish to be women and women who wish to be a man. They are mutilating their bodies, in an attempt to become straight people. I have no problem sharing bathrooms, with anyone. But, I don't think people striving to be straight should be included in the LGB community.

  • Continuing together is creating resentment towards trans people

    As Im sure most of you know there has been a lot of legislation recently to create "bathroom bills" that require people to use the bathroom of the gender that's on their birth certificate. At the same time laws that prevent anti-LGB discrimination bans from being created have been tacked on these laws. As a result LGB people are losing their legal protection from discrimination or this protection is being prevented from becoming law.

    A lot of people in the LGB community are recognizing this now and are blaming the T movement for this happening. Also the T movement has a poor social image because their rhetoric and public figures are often extremely abrasive. So basically there is a growing group of LGB people that view the T movement as hurting the LGB movement. It's better to split the movements now while the LGB community and T community have good relations instead of waiting for things to turn really sour.

  • The LGB movement is hurting the T movement

    The LGB movement is recent years has become significantly more influential and socially integrated than the T movement. As such the needs of the LGB community have frequently overshadowed the needs of the T movement when it comes to appealing to the public and creating new laws.

    It would be best for the T movement to separate and allow the T movement to pursue our own needs. Additionally it would allow the LGB movement to more quickly wrap up their battle on discrimination protection. Separation would be better for both the LGB movement and the T movement.

  • It's a different movement

    The LGB movement is all about sexual orientation and addressing the current legal shortfalls that prevent people who are not heterosexual from integrating into society. Through the use of the courts, legislature and public opinion LGB people gained the right to marriage and are working on discrimination protection so they can integrate economically into society.

    The T movement has significantly different goals because they have to redefine how society views gender in order to integrate into society. Additionally they are in a different place politically and socially than LGB people are.

    LGB and T being together is now slowing the advances of LGB people gaining discrimination protection while at the same time overshadowing the unique needs of the T movement.

  • It's a different movement

    The LGB movement is all about sexual orientation and addressing the current legal shortfalls that prevent people who are not heterosexual from integrating into society. Through the use of the courts, legislature and public opinion LGB people gained the right to marriage and are working on discrimination protection so they can integrate economically into society.

    The T movement has significantly different goals because they have to redefine how society views gender in order to integrate into society. Additionally they are in a different place politically and socially than LGB people are.

    LGB and T being together is now slowing the advances of LGB people gaining discrimination protection while at the same time overshadowing the unique needs of the T movement.

  • Its a different movement

    The LGB movement is all about sexual orientation and addressing the current legal shortfalls that prevent people who are not heterosexual from integrating into society. Through the use of the courts, legislature and public opinion LGB people gained the right to marriage and are working on discrimination protection so they can integrate economically into society.

    The T movement has significantly different goals because they have to redefine how society views gender in order to integrate into society. Additionally they are in a different place politically and socially than LGB people are.

    LGB and T being together is now slowing the advances of LGB people gaining discrimination protection while at the same time overshadowing the unique needs of the T movement.

  • No. Absolutely not!

    No. Many transgendered people do actually suffer from genuine biological compulsions that make them feel they are actually of the opposite sex. It would be very dangerous to disregard their biological/psychological concerns; on top of this they are one of the most vulnerable members in our society. I believe it would be a huge mistake to ignore or reject them in the LGBT community!

  • Purple canary in the pink coal mine

    Of course not. They are an incredibly vulnerable minority within a minority that is slowly gaining political strength and recognition. While I agree that the causes of transgender people are not always exactly the same as LGB people, all stand together under the brand of queer. Traditionally, trans have been the most visible and consequently the most oppressed segment of the queer community. Until trans people share the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, no gay person can hope that recent improvements in LGB rights will last. They are the purple canary in the pink coal mine.

  • Keep the T.

    While being Transsexual is different thing from LGB, transsexual's still get discriminated against and being part of that community would make them feel welcome and part of something important. Transsexuals are also still part of LGB as if they were born males and like males they were born gay but if they're were born male and like females then they're now lesbian. So really they are part of LGB and having the T doesn't take away from the importance of LGB or change it at all.

  • Know the facts!

    I think part of why the "T" exists in LGBT is because at the start of the gay rights movement, trans people were at the forefront. It was a transwoman who helped spark the Stonewall riots. A lot of folks in the LG parts of the community forget that.

    And as has already been well said, it's a coalition. Trans, gays, lesbians and bisexuals have been conflated for decades. And together we are much stronger, hold more influence and power than any of us could ever wield as separate groups.

    Also many who are trans also ID as gay, lesbian or bi.

  • What is wrong with T?

    LGBT is not just sexuality's. If we look at it nowadays there are many different sexualitys, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual but also Pansexual, Asexual etc. So why would it just be LGB? LGBT includes not only sexuality but gender identity also. Trans*, Agender, genderfluid Bigender etc. That's why most people use LGBT+ these days, to accommodate everyone. Lgbt is meant be about supporting those of different sexualitys AND gender identity. Is it not bad enough that we are discriminated against by those who are "born normal"? We are meant to be a community and now it seems like we aren't good enough. I think all Trans* people have lived long enough in a society where being who you are isn't "normal" please, please, PLEASE don't take away our sense of belonging.

  • What is wrong with T?

    LGBT is not just sexuality's. If we look at it nowadays there are many different sexualitys, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual but also Pansexual, Asexual etc. So why would it just be LGB? LGBT includes not only sexuality but gender identity also. Trans*, Agender, genderfluid Bigender etc. That's why most people use LGBT+ these days, to accommodate everyone. Lgbt is meant be about supporting those of different sexualitys AND gender identity. Is it not bad enough that we are discriminated against by those who are "born normal"? We are meant to be a community and now it seems like we aren't good enough. I think all Trans* people have lived long enough in a society where being who you are isn't "normal" please, please, PLEASE don't take away our sense of belonging.

  • Why Are You Abandoning Us?

    I am an FtM Transgender and I only recently learned that the LGBTQ+ community is talking about dropping the "T". I find this personally insulting. I feel as if you're trying to abandon us when we've been working hand in hand with the LGBTQ+ community for as long as we can remember? If you drop the " T" does that automatically make us invalid?

  • Keep The T

    Anyone who isn't cisgender and straight... We're all in this together. The community is an amazing thing. No one's trying to drop the I or the romantic attractions. They are all equaly important and should be included. Trans face as much if not more discrimination then anyone else in the community and trying to exclude them is crazy.


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