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  • T has to go!

    GLB individuals have nothing in common with Transgender+ individuals. Sexual orientation and gender/gender identity are not related and are best advocated for separately as each group understand their own community best. GLB can still advocate for T+ rights and vice versa, they just don't need to be directly associated with one another.

  • They are NOT The Same Thing

    LGB Stands For GAY, LESBIAN and BISEXUAL which are Sexual Orientations and the "T" is for Gender Identity they are two very different things. It is Damaging and Dangerous when you combine two completely different things into One because it creates the Impression that they are the same. People need to realize that most Transgender People Date Straight People, not Gay People and Straight People don't want to be thought of as being Gay for dating somebody who is Transgender. Since the LGB added the “T” to the LGB it has become much more difficult for Transgender Women in Particular to date Straight Men because we are being rejected even by the men who like us because they don't want people thinking they are gay for dating us due to the association with the LGB.
    Transgender Women are also facing increased Hate and Violence due to the fact that we are being perceived as Gay Men again due to the association with the LGB. I will say it again it is Damaging and Dangerous when you combine two Unrelated things into one because it creates the Impression that they are the Same.

  • They are NOT The Same Thing

    LGB Stands For GAY, LESBIAN and BISEXUAL which are Sexual Orientations and the "T" is for Gender Identity they are two very different things. It is Damaging and Dangerous when you combine two completely different things into One because it creates the Impression that they are the same. People need to realize that most Transgender People Date Straight People, not Gay People and Straight People don't want to be thought of as being Gay for dating somebody who is Transgender. Since the LGB added the “T” to the LGB it has become much more difficult for Transgender Women in Particular to date Straight Men because we are being rejected even by the men who like us because they don't want people thinking they are gay for dating us due to the association with the LGB.
    Transgender Women are also facing increased Hate and Violence due to the fact that we are being perceived as Gay Men again due to the association with the LGB. I will say it again it is Damaging and Dangerous when you combine two Unrelated things into one because it creates the Impression that they are the Same.

  • LGB and Transgender are not the same

    LGB Stands For GAY, LESBIAN and BISEXUAL which are Sexual Orientations and the "T" is for Gender Identity they are not the same thing. It is Damaging and Dangerous when you combine to Completely Different things into One because it creates the Impression that they are the same. People need to realize that most Transgender People Date Straight People, not Gay People and Straight People don't want to be thought of as being Gay for dating somebody who is Transgender. Since the LGB added the “T” to the LGB it has become much more difficult for Transgender Women in Particular to date Straight Men because we are being rejected even by the men who like us because they don't want people thinking they are gay for dating us due to the association with the LGB.
    Transgender Women are also facing increased Hate and Violence due to the fact that we are being perceived as Gay Men again due to the association with the LGB. I will say it again it is Damaging and Dangerous when you combine two Unrelated things into One because it creates the Impression that they are the Same.

  • Gay and lesbian community have entirely different goals than trans community. They should be separate.

    As a gay man, I support this resolution as I see that the gay, bi and lesbian communities (three separate communities linked by a common trait- sexual orientation) have different goals and are entirely different from the trans community. The trans community is about gender identity, not choice of sexual partner. I assume that T was grouped with the others out of the desire to add strength in numbers.

    I see trans as something completely different and should have it all own separate spaces, separate events, pride marches, etc. I have been concerned with what I see a lot in gay media as of late, an attempt to lump all of us together as "queer." Gay men are not "queer" men or "LGBT" men and should not be labeled as such unless we self identify this way.

    I wish the best to trans people and the trans community but I don't understand why we would be united as we are separate communities and have very different political agendas.

  • When trans were included in the LGB rights movement we never expected this.

    When Trans were included in the LGB rights movement, we thought it was just men wearing dresses, we never knew it would derail into this "non-binary gender fluid demi-androgyne" post-science craze.
    Most LGB people find this pseudo-science unnatural, bizarre and threatening to their beautiful male-male female-female relationships.
    LGBs did not get executed, jailed, assaulted, murdered, cast out from families by social-conservatives only for their generation long fought freedoms to be humiliated by this.
    Given Trans rights overwhelming un-popularity (with this "snowflake drama") and the fact they make up less then 0.1% of LGBT's, we are starting to see them as more damaging then benefiting to our cause.

    That being said, as they continue to drift from LGB rights, we must never, EVER side with social-conservative commentators and websites that support this endeavour; they opposed every single Gay Lesbian and Bisexual right all the way from DECRIMINALIZATION, and they still do oppose even out our basic rights. They don't have our interests at heart. They think they're dividing and conquering us by promoting dropping the T from LGBT, that's because they're idiots. They aren't diving anything. Steve Bannon, blow me. We'll remove the T on our own, thanks.

  • We never expected this when Trans were included in the LGB rights movement

    When Trans were included in the LGB rights movement, we thought it was just men wearing dresses, we never knew it would derail into this "non-binary gender fluid demi-androgyne" post-science craziness.
    LGBs did not get jailed, bleed, die, cast out from their families by social-conservatives only for their generation long fought freedoms to be humiliated. Most LGB people find transexual pseudo-science unnatural, bizarre and threatening to their simple male-male female-female relationships.
    Given Trans rights overwhelming un-popularity (with this "snowflake drama") and the fact they make up less then 0.1% of LGBT's, we are starting to see them as more damaging then benefiting to our cause.

    That being said, as they continue to drift from LGB rights, we must never, EVER side with social-conservative commentators and websites that support this endeavour; they opposed every single Gay Lesbian and Bisexual right all the way from DECRIMINALIZATION, and they still do. They think they're dividing and conquering us, that's because they're idiots. Steve Bannon, blow me. We'll remove the T on our own, thanks.

  • To preserve any civil rights and continue to progress with their political goals, LGB and T need to separate

    As stated by other debaters here, the LGB and T movements are distinct from each other, and need to meet these needs (sexual orientation or gender) seperately to achieve their goals without losing any civil rights gained so far. This will prevent further confusion, or worse, regression, from the work of the LGB advocates which is based on the argument that they have their sexual orientation because they are "born that way." While this is fitting for the LGB community, it undermines the transgender movement's protests against their birth gender labels.

  • LGB are sexualities, not genders!

    LGB and T are two very, very different groups and should be treated as such. LGB are sexual orientations, while T has nothing to do with orientation. T is about gender, nothing more. I believe that by dropping the T from LGBT will benefit the transgender community.

    If transgender people had their own community, they would be able to focus more on gender issues rather than having to be involved with orientation issues as well.

    As it stands, having the T included in the LGBT acronym makes it look like a sexuality rather than gender related, which is harmful. It's logical to separate the LGB and T because they're completely different things and I'm sure it will clear up much confusion to those not familiar with the concept of transgenderism. This is all coming from the viewpoint of a lesbian.

  • The T crowd needs to get some manners!

    Whenever I hear the trans* crowd's activism, I hear a lot of rude, space-invasive people who just don't give a tinker's damn about anyone other than themselves. This harsh, invasive tone I hear from them, as well as their violent threats against their detractors and violent lashing-out in public, are in essence, a declaration of war on anyone who isn't just like them in every way. They demand that their every whim be catered to, yet ignore the real need for women and girls to have their own separate spaces. This is clearly creating a hierarchy of rights, which is unacceptable. What's more, anyone can declare a trans* identity which no one is allowed to question or challenge lest they be 'transphobic'. This is especially pernicious when we consider that this will allow any sexual predator to dress en femme and use trans* as a false flag to enter women's only space with legal and social impunity, there to take their victims in the only spaces women have where they can let their guard down, free from the male gaze.

    The trans* community is going to have to get a grip on itself and accept that they are not the only people in the world with rights and feelings. We cannot allow the feelings of the few to override the needs of the many. The trans* crowd is going to have to check / correct its collective autism very soon, or it'll soon find itself ostracized from society and treated with the same disdain we give to child molesters.

  • No. Absolutely not!

    No. Many transgendered people do actually suffer from genuine biological compulsions that make them feel they are actually of the opposite sex. It would be very dangerous to disregard their biological/psychological concerns; on top of this they are one of the most vulnerable members in our society. I believe it would be a huge mistake to ignore or reject them in the LGBT community!

  • Purple canary in the pink coal mine

    Of course not. They are an incredibly vulnerable minority within a minority that is slowly gaining political strength and recognition. While I agree that the causes of transgender people are not always exactly the same as LGB people, all stand together under the brand of queer. Traditionally, trans have been the most visible and consequently the most oppressed segment of the queer community. Until trans people share the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, no gay person can hope that recent improvements in LGB rights will last. They are the purple canary in the pink coal mine.

  • Keep the T.

    While being Transsexual is different thing from LGB, transsexual's still get discriminated against and being part of that community would make them feel welcome and part of something important. Transsexuals are also still part of LGB as if they were born males and like males they were born gay but if they're were born male and like females then they're now lesbian. So really they are part of LGB and having the T doesn't take away from the importance of LGB or change it at all.

  • LGBTQI are a persecuted family. Dropping the weaker member to the wolves will not make the family stronger.

    LGBTQI all experience the same types of social marginalisation, stigma and hatred. The LGB have created a solid, respected platform to defend these minority rights, To throw the T out to the wolves is little short of callous. Not least of which many of the T also identify as LG or B. Both sexuality and gender are spectrums with few falling on the extremes. What is important is protecting the vulnerable in our society and the LGB has the leverage to significantly protect and safeguard the T. Further, T has been instrumental in developing the modern platform of rights that the LGB community now enjoy.

  • LGBTQI are a persecuted family. Dropping the weak one may appeal, but isn't right.

    LGBTQI all experience the same types of social marginalisation, stigma and hatred. The LGB have created a solid, respected platform to defend these minority rights, To throw the T out to the wolves is little short of callous. Not least of which many of the T also identify as LG or B. Both sexuality and gender are spectrums with few falling on the extremes. What is important is protecting the vulnerable in our society and the LGB has the leverage to significantly protect and safeguard the T. Further, T has been instrumental in developing the modern platform of rights that the LGB community now enjoy.

  • Know the facts!

    I think part of why the "T" exists in LGBT is because at the start of the gay rights movement, trans people were at the forefront. It was a transwoman who helped spark the Stonewall riots. A lot of folks in the LG parts of the community forget that.

    And as has already been well said, it's a coalition. Trans, gays, lesbians and bisexuals have been conflated for decades. And together we are much stronger, hold more influence and power than any of us could ever wield as separate groups.

    Also many who are trans also ID as gay, lesbian or bi.

  • What is wrong with T?

    LGBT is not just sexuality's. If we look at it nowadays there are many different sexualitys, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual but also Pansexual, Asexual etc. So why would it just be LGB? LGBT includes not only sexuality but gender identity also. Trans*, Agender, genderfluid Bigender etc. That's why most people use LGBT+ these days, to accommodate everyone. Lgbt is meant be about supporting those of different sexualitys AND gender identity. Is it not bad enough that we are discriminated against by those who are "born normal"? We are meant to be a community and now it seems like we aren't good enough. I think all Trans* people have lived long enough in a society where being who you are isn't "normal" please, please, PLEASE don't take away our sense of belonging.

  • What is wrong with T?

    LGBT is not just sexuality's. If we look at it nowadays there are many different sexualitys, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual but also Pansexual, Asexual etc. So why would it just be LGB? LGBT includes not only sexuality but gender identity also. Trans*, Agender, genderfluid Bigender etc. That's why most people use LGBT+ these days, to accommodate everyone. Lgbt is meant be about supporting those of different sexualitys AND gender identity. Is it not bad enough that we are discriminated against by those who are "born normal"? We are meant to be a community and now it seems like we aren't good enough. I think all Trans* people have lived long enough in a society where being who you are isn't "normal" please, please, PLEASE don't take away our sense of belonging.

  • Why Are You Abandoning Us?

    I am an FtM Transgender and I only recently learned that the LGBTQ+ community is talking about dropping the "T". I find this personally insulting. I feel as if you're trying to abandon us when we've been working hand in hand with the LGBTQ+ community for as long as we can remember? If you drop the " T" does that automatically make us invalid?

  • Keep The T

    Anyone who isn't cisgender and straight... We're all in this together. The community is an amazing thing. No one's trying to drop the I or the romantic attractions. They are all equaly important and should be included. Trans face as much if not more discrimination then anyone else in the community and trying to exclude them is crazy.


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