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Would an all-knowing god create his own nemesis?

Asked by: freethinker101
  • Satan was part of the plan

    Satan's purpose was to provide a choice. If there was only God and no other option, there would be no point in coming to earth. There would be no need to choose between right and wrong, no challenge to overcome. God new this and created Satan so we would have to choose. Also, Satan didn't ruin any plans, God knew what would happen and Satan was part of the plan.

  • We need to be able to choose.

    We need to be able to choose whether or not to follow God or his enemy Satan, so yes, God did create Satan. Knowing full well all that would happen because of him. God doesn't promise getting to know him and getting to heaven will be easy, for me, always listening is far from easy. So I do sin, often, and I fall for Satan's temptations but God always forgives me and I always try to get back on track. The bible also says God will try to help guide us on our way to heaven and it says in every problem he gives us a way out.

    Posted by: Levi
  • God had to create his own nemesis

    Ok i dont believe in god im an atheist (yer i know im going to hell whatever i dont believe in it) but if there is a god he would have had to make his own nemesis even if he didnt want to. There cannot be good without evil and there cant be evil if there is no good, you cant have one with out the other if there was no good or bad we would just be neutral like the "neutral planet" on Futurama

  • Sure, why not?

    The way the Bible contradicts itself in so may ways,why not have a contradiction about good and evil? I mean if God is almighty and all good, then why doesn't he just get rid of the devil and hell and just forgive everyone for "sins"?
    He either isn't all good or he isn't almighty. So since he's both, sure...Why not have a devil?
    They are all made up nonsense, anyway, so whatever you can think up, goes.

  • To know good, there must exist evil

    I believe that an all knowing God would surely acknowledge that, in order to truly appreciate what is good in the world, contrast must be provided in the form of evil/an almighty nemesis to provide a greater balance? (I am personally an atheist, but as a philosophy student firmly believe this)

    Posted by: NC28
  • We cannot know for sure why God created Satan.

    Ultimately, we cannot know for sure why God created Satan, knowing he would rebel. It’s tempting to assume that things would be “better” if Satan had never been created or to declare that God should have done differently. But such assumptions and declarations are unwise. In fact, to claim we know better than God how to run the universe is to fall into the devil’s own sin of promoting himself above the Most High (Isaiah 14:13–14).

  • Yes He would.

    God doesn't want some programmed robots in the world following him, that's why he created free choice. He wants us to chose for ourselves whether to serve our loving God or to serve satan. God knew and knowingly created lucifer so that there would be free choice in the world.

  • Free will can't exist without Satan.

    The thing is, Adam and Eve had a perfect relationship with God before Satan, in the form of a snake, told Eve to eat from the tree in the middle. She did it because Satan told her to. It was out of free will. And even with free will, we can still obey God.

  • Yes, like some of the others said, he was part of the plan and we need to choose

    Ditto to to Gondun, but especially to levi.
    Would you rather have a dog who was forced to obey you on penalty of being whipped (for example) or a dog that will come happily and willingly because it loves you? Unless you would rather be like a tyrant (which I'm assuming your not) you'll want it to come because it loves you. God wants our willing obedience, not our forced dragging reluctance.

  • What is evil really?

    Just like cold being the absence of heat and darkness being the absence of light, evil, to put it as simply as possible is the absence of good. God did not create Satan to be evil, that came about when Satan rebelled against the goodness of God. People will often say, "if God was all knowing?" Or "if God was all powerful?" But they often forget that God is benevolent, truthful, merciful, loving and a lover of justice.
    To remove choice from a single person would go against His very nature. To let the sins of man go unpunished would not be justice. Just as a parent is disappointed when their children go astray so is Gods disappointment when we choose against Him. God did create Satan, but He did not choose what Satan would do or become. But each choice and action has a consequence and as such God stands as the only rightful and perfect judge over us all. His wish is for none to perish but that choice belongs to us and who we choose to follow

  • God didn't create Satan.

    Satan was once an archangel named Lucifer: Lord of light and precious stones. One day he was joined by other angels in a rebellion against God. God instantly threw Lucifer and the others out of Heaven and into Hell. Lucifer then took the name of "Satan" which means "fallen one." So, technically, God did not create Satan. Satan created himself.

  • There is no proof of Gods at all.

    There is just no proof whatsoever of ghosts, demons, spirits, or Gods. Most people appeal to personal and anecdotal experience but this is answered with neurology and psychology. Asking if God would make his nemesis implies things that are out of our grasp of knowing. There is no foundation to this at all.

  • why would god create satan when he must have known what he would do ?

    christians often say that satan broke his free will but that just doesnt wash

    1 - they dont know this, it is just special pleading.

    2 - an all knowing god would have foreseen it anyway

    why would god create satan knowing full well that he would ruin his project before it even started.


  • Satan was an angel who went bad.

    Lucifer was an angel who turned against God. He didn't really want to follow God and he thought he was better than God. So God kicked him out of heaven and he has been causing all sorts of bad stuff on Earth. He did really bad things like tempting Jesus and making people stray from God. God created a perfect world and Satan ruined it.

  • Satan was an angel who went bad.

    Lucifer was an angel who turned against God. He didn't really want to follow God and he thought he was better than God. So God kicked him out of heaven and he has been causing all sorts of bad stuff on Earth. He did really bad things like tempting Jesus and making people stray from God. God created a perfect world and Satan ruined it.

  • If God knew that Satan would rebel, why did He create him?

    This is a two-part question. The first part is “Did God know Satan would rebel?” We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-knowing.” Job 37:16; Psalm 139:2–4, 147:5; Proverbs 5:21; Isaiah 46:9-10; and 1 John 3:19–20 leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in future.

    Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses—“perfect in knowledge”; “his understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge is not merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in totality. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He cannot be God, for God’s very essence requires the perfection of all His attributes. Therefore, answer to first question is “yes, God knew that Satan would rebel.”

    Moving on to second part of the question, “Why did God create Satan knowing ahead of time he was going to rebel?” This question is a little trickier because we are asking a “why” question to which the Bible does not usually provide comprehensive answers. Despite that, we should be able to come to a limited understanding. We have already seen that God is omniscient. So, if God knew that Satan would rebel and fall from heaven, yet He created him anyway, it must mean that the fall of Satan was part of God’s sovereign plan from the beginning. No other answer makes sense given what we’ve seen thus far.

    First, we should understand that knowing Satan would rebel is not the same thing as making Satan rebel. The angel Lucifer had a free will and made his own choices. God did not create Lucifer as the devil; He created him good (Genesis 1:31).

    In trying to understand why God created Satan, knowing he would rebel, we should also consider the following facts:

    1) Lucifer had a good and perfect purpose before his fall. Lucifer’s rebellion does not change God’s original intent from something good to something bad.

    2) God’s sovereignty extends to Satan, even in his fallen condition. God is able to use Satan’s evil actions to ultimately bring about God’s holy plan (see 1 Timothy 1:20 and 1 Corinthians 5:5).

    3) God’s plan of salvation was ordained from eternity past (Revelation 13:8); salvation requires something to be saved from, and so God allowed Satan’s rebellion and the spread of sin.

    4) The suffering that Satan brought into the world actually became the means by which Jesus, in His humanity, was made the complete and perfect Savior of mankind: “In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered” (Hebrews 2:10).

    5) From the very beginning, God’s plan in Christ included the destruction of Satan’s work (see 1 John 3:8).

  • Satan is a creation from other created religions.

    I want to start by noting that Hell is not mentioned in the original, non English versions of the bible. Hades is mentioned once but is not remarked to be real. Also, it doesn't state in the bible that you either go to heaven or hell. It merely states that everyone will be reunited with his grace...Eventually.

    The concept of Satan and perhaps God, are attempts to take away the responsibility of our actions. If we do something bad, we conceive that "Satan tried to seduce me" and if life doesn't appear to be going the way we want it, we pray to him to help us. The truth is, although the term free will is not entirely free, we either exert our choice to follow our choice or not follow. We are the ones who create and destroy, the ones who turn the blind eye to the sick, the ones who buy clothes that are made by children who should be playing but aren't.

    We are the people who allow our governments to act behind a veil of secrecy, the ones who allowed governments to launch wars without verifiable cause and the ones who are consuming so much that people are starving in the world. The truth is, if anything, we are God and the Devil. We humans contain the capacity for negative acts and positive acts. Waking up to that fact is the step to living without fear and living with purpose.

  • No, what would be the point?

    God would never create Satan. Something whose literal purpose is to oppose him? Satan is just an excuse mankind created to justify their wrong-doings. They can always claim "Satan" made them do whatever, and thus should not be held accountable. God would never do something so counter-productive. The REAL God is significantly smarter than Christians' Jehovah

  • This is too ambigous question.

    I would say no because in fact it is true that God did not "CREATE" his nemesis for the start. He let the nemesis "BE" and created him for specific purpose.

    Satan was originally one of the angels, in fact archangels who was graced by God. The God may or may not created him with the freedom of choice, but for whatever reason he practiced the freedom of choice and action.

    This Satan to become what he is because he chose what he wanted to be and God never intervened. The God set the laws of the Universe and one of those fundomental laws even in Physics is the freedom of choice and reasoning, which in turn does not truely make Satan God's Nemesis, but simply Tempter of all easy choices we can make for pleasure to stray onto the path of Evil.

    Satan is nothing more than Choice and Reasoning of an easy path in life.


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