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Would the Founding Fathers have treated swords as arms under the 2nd Amendment?

Asked by: MasturDbtor
  • Yes They're Armaments

    It is a simple concept. Swords are armaments ie arms. They used by the armed forces of the US both organized and unorganized during the course of the Revolutionary War and beyond. Swords along with firearms and other assorted weapons were used legally by the citizens and still are to this very day. Those who could not afford firearms utilized alternatives for hunting, personal protection, and sport. Certain states like New Jersey actively forbid the carrying of swords and knives and other weapons like clubs for example in public for self defense. This in direction opposition to the 2nd Amendment, along with the right to self defense of one's life or property.

  • In the 18th century

    In the 18th century there were limited types of firearms that any one man could carry and firearms were both expensive, difficult to fire and maintain and were not any good as a short range weapon. Not everyone had a gun but everyone since Noah has had a knife or a bladed weapon of some sort. Of course they meant for edged weapons to be considered arms, that is what most battles were fought with.

  • "Arms" does not equal "gun"

    The Founding Fathers used both words in various writings (some of which you can see on the NO side of this page) yet chose to write the former into the Second Amendment. How would it be rational or reasonable to forceably disarm an individual holding a sword who is surrounded by others holding shotguns at, say, a public rally? Which arguable "purpose" or "framer's intent" (personal defense and fighting tyranny being the major two) of the Second Amendment could possibly apply to a gun but not a sword?

  • Arms must mean Arms!

    Arms can be defined as anything that can be used for self defense. Even a pencil used to stab in an eye will be effective.
    I don't think the founders would exclude any of the available weaponry from the 2nd. Swords were not just uniform props, they were used for hand to hand combat.

  • Right to bear arms.

    If you look up the definition of arms, it means generally, anything used for fighting. They probably actually did include swords back then because cavalry sabers were a big deal back then. I mean if you look at us today, we have machetes and axes and hatchets. And while I really see no real use for them, the people should be able to have them if they want

  • Yes, they would

    Arms are any tool used for fighting, whether it's a sword, bow, musket, or shotgun. I actually own a samurai-like sword (I got it at a thrift shop, so I doubt it's a real samurai sword). I think any type of weapon may be in the hand of a civilian. The only gun control I support? A thorough background check and a gun safety test (More stingent for military-grade weapons, such as the M-16, Ma Deuce, Artillery, Minigun, etc.)

  • If concealed carry of handguns is protected so should swords

    An arm was simply seen as a tool one used to defend oneself. As Heller has already held that "guns" count and so even the Supreme Court agrees handguns are protected it makes no sense that then swords wouldn't count, because swords are less dangerous than guns and could be used for self-defense. If the person is skilled with it it may even be easier for them to defend themselves non-lethally with the sword than they would've been able to do with the gun and the assailant would live, the wound heal, and he'd be alive to answer for the attempted assault in court. If the concealed carry of a sword was legally allowed it may reduce the number of deaths from firearms since 1. Easier to aim in a manner in which to wound one's opponent rather than kill compared to using a firearm for use in cases of self-defense. AND 2. If it gets in the wrong hands it's easier to stop the perpetrator than if he had a firearm. I do not advocate banning firearms since there are advantages to them that can rationally appeal to someone whose intention is self-defense, but the substitution effect would likely lead to a decrease in firearm deaths greater than any increase in deaths from swords.

  • WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID ABOUT GUNS ever wonder what the second amendment really means? http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/articles/guns.html

    This is another silly opinion. Would we have won the Revolution without guns and cannons? No. So obviously our founding fathers meant gun, but did preclude knifes and swords.
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    You need to look at what was written back then.
    http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/articles/guns.html
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    George Washington's address to the second session of the First U.S. Congress in 1790, and the Second Amendment along with the rest of the Bill of Rights was adopted on December 15, 1791.
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    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour."
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    The 1st US Congress was from March 4, 1789 to March 4, 1791; the second session was held January 4, 1790 through August 12, 1790. The Second Amendment adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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    Patrick Henry:
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    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."
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    Thomas Jefferson's advice to his 15-year-old nephew:
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    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
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