Would you support a higher tax on the wealthy?

Posted by: RedFaction2

Mostly on the top 10% but at a very high rate. Do you support the moral need to help the lower class or do you think the rich should hold onto their money?

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Yes More Tax

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No less Tax

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29 comments
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Current taxes are fine

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Bravo8675309 says2015-12-11T06:31:12.4141308Z
@onemanitoban, I agree with you, but your figuring is wrong. 33% of $450,000 is ~$150,000. They would be left with ~$300,000...
onemanitoban says2015-12-11T07:25:39.4289568Z
@Bravo, sorry, I forgot to add in my comment I was only considering their income between $200,000 and $450,000, like a progressive income tax scheme would. This person would also have whatever after-tax income they got from the lower tax brackets (which I didn't bother calculating) added to that annual total. I did make a math error though. The person in my example would actually be able to keep $167,500 out of their top $250,000 annual earnings!
Forthelulz says2015-12-11T07:38:32.2522185Z
Punish people for being successful? Get out of here.
stargate says2015-12-11T12:16:26.8267575Z
Okay one I only want a flat tax so due to that fact I oppose this. If the wealthy do not get taxed so much they will have more money to spend and invest into the economy. This helps it.
stargate says2015-12-11T12:18:19.3020365Z
It is the pools fault for being poor, I will never support a tax increase just so poor people do not get taxed as much, and get all these social welfare programs. If they want something they should have to do it like everyone else does. I will never support a tax increase on the wealthy just becuase they make a ton.
stargate says2015-12-11T12:20:37.1739527Z
You do know that in the USA the income tax can already go up to 36% due to the progressive tax.
onemanitoban says2015-12-11T17:02:01.8682403Z
That's nice for people in the states, but the top Canadian federal tax bracket is actually 29%.
stargate says2015-12-12T19:00:07.5515625Z
Okay but I am not in Canada must people in this site are from the us, witch is why I Ousted the USA federal income tax.
Old_Saxon says2015-12-15T18:12:02.5711112Z
As Forthelulz said, punish people because you're spiteful they're successful, and pissed you threw away all your opportunities? Yeah thats certainly gonna fix this country. More taxes, not asking why the hell we have them in the first place, and the representation for them.
Nickisabi says2015-12-15T18:47:04.3456382Z
I'd raise taxes, but not on the direct incomes of the top 1%. I'd raise the corporate tax rate and demand that they pay %100 of it and not dilly-dally the law process with tax credits.
ButterCatX says2015-12-15T22:50:11.7185288Z
@oneman you literally said a man who earned $450,000 a year would lose almost $300,000 of it, your math is wrong.
onemanitoban says2015-12-16T05:22:16.3647302Z
@ButterCat, where did I say that he would lose $300,000?
BIGC says2015-12-16T17:07:26.7477250Z
If we were to tax the rich more, we would see that tax income from the rich would decrease because they would leave! Just like in France.
liltankjj says2015-12-17T20:51:19.2610513Z
I refuse to believe that wealthy people are evil. I believe that if they had more money they would be more charitable. If you tax them more then they would be more likely to find ways around the tax and hide money so to speak.
Pigzooka says2015-12-17T20:55:52.9932132Z
The rich can leave. What have they ever done for us?
liltankjj says2015-12-17T22:12:20.9386865Z
The rich is how I make money right now. I don't know about you.
BIGC says2015-12-17T22:38:54.6400704Z
@Pigzooka what have the rich ever done? Are you for real? They have done so much, they probably employ you (if you are on welfare then they do to)
briantheliberal says2015-12-19T12:25:07.9742217Z
Taxing the wealthy more has actually shown to be beneficial in many places, even in the United States. It's just that the wealthy and powerful manages to trick the poor and stupid (and mostly Republican) into thinking that taxing them more is the work of Satan when it does some good for society. Even worse, some people actually believe in the epic fail that is "Trickle Down" economics which is nothing more than another example of your typical conservative idiocy - Keep doing things over and over while expecting a different result, even though nothing changes, or things actually get worse do the same shit again to make it better.
liltankjj says2015-12-19T14:21:58.9124937Z
@briantheliberal: I don't know much about trickle-down economics, but I have heard more positive then negative on the issue. I will say in the since of a flat tax the rich still will pay more while paying the same percentage as everyone else. The rich class to day is attacked so hard on taxes it is crazy. This leads to them searching for loop holes to get around the tax. Some even go as far as to hide there money. With a more simplified tax code we allow the people as a whole to flourish. This leads to the Rich spending more which in turn will create more jobs. Why punish someone who is reaping benefits of there hard work? Even if it may have been the hard work of a parent or grandparent. In this country today hard work is punished and no work is rewarded. Doesn't sound right to me buddy.
AbhiroopShah says2015-12-19T14:31:58.9215025Z
Rich people in the United States have to pay more for tax as a result many families try to over benefit themselves by producing more children and by applying for food stamp. They tend to spend more money on their foods and also sell their foods to some people for money. I think the tax rates should not be increased for wealthy.
briantheliberal says2015-12-19T14:36:33.4740875Z
"The rich class to day is attacked so hard on taxes it is crazy." - No they don't, they pay less in taxes than your average American percentage wise BECAUSE of the loopholes they find to not pay as much in the first place. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/04/as-the-rich-become-super-rich-they-pay-lower-taxes-for-real/ - Also there are two major fallacies in your argument. 1. Being wealthy and hard working are NOT one and the same. Most people acquire their wealth through connections, inheritance, and often exploitation of the poor. There are also countless more hardworking poor people than there are wealthy. I absolutely HATE when people attempt to correlate work ethic and the amount of wealth someone possesses in attempt to make excuses for those who rarely work a day in their life. 2. Higher taxes that you can afford is not a punishment, especially when it's being used to uplift society as a whole. Everyone benefits from this. Greed and corruption prevents this.
liltankjj says2015-12-19T14:39:42.9368257Z
@briantheliberal: saysDecember 19 2015 08:36 AM Report Post ("The rich class to day is attacked so hard on taxes it is crazy." - No they don't, they pay less in taxes than your average American percentage wise BECAUSE of the loopholes they find to not pay as much in the first place. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/04/as-the-rich-become-super-rich-they-pay-lower-taxes-for-real/ - Also there are two major fallacies in your argument. 1. Being wealthy and hard working are NOT one and the same. Most people acquire their wealth through connections, inheritance, and often exploitation of the poor. There are also countless more hardworking poor people than there are wealthy. I absolutely HATE when people attempt to correlate work ethic and the amount of wealth someone possesses in attempt to make excuses for those who rarely work a day in their life. 2. Higher taxes that you can afford is not a punishment, especially when it's being used to uplift society as a whole. Everyone benefits from this. Greed and corruption prevents this.) Unreal did you even read my post?
briantheliberal says2015-12-19T14:42:16.0010918Z
AbhiroopShah, Where is the source for all of these claims you are making because they sound incredibly asinine. For one, rich people aren't using food stamps. Two, rich people on average have LESS children than the poor and middle classes. Three, they spend more on food because they choose to buy overpriced shit because they can afford it. And lastly, how are they spending more on food with food stamps AND selling it because they need the money at the same time?
liltankjj says2015-12-19T14:42:20.0006461Z
@briantheliberal: You know what Im not sure what you are attempting to do here but you agreed to majority of my post except my conclusion.
briantheliberal says2015-12-19T14:44:51.0172981Z
Did you read mine? Because I clearly refuted yours. I did not agree with anything you said. It's the exact opposite.
liltankjj says2015-12-19T14:50:54.3425371Z
Okay buddy work with me here not against me. Think of this as an opportunity to teach me something. Below is my original post. Look over it and compare it to your response. I'll post it below the first. Please explain to me how you refuted what I said. I fail to see any difference beside the following. "There are also countless more hardworking poor people than there are wealthy." I will counter this once we have clarity. @briantheliberal: I don't know much about trickle-down economics, but I have heard more positive then negative on the issue. I will say in the since of a flat tax the rich still will pay more while paying the same percentage as everyone else. The rich class to day is attacked so hard on taxes it is crazy. This leads to them searching for loop holes to get around the tax. Some even go as far as to hide there money. With a more simplified tax code we allow the people as a whole to flourish. This leads to the Rich spending more which in turn will create more jobs. Why punish someone who is reaping benefits of there hard work? Even if it may have been the hard work of a parent or grandparent. In this country today hard work is punished and no work is rewarded. Doesn't sound right to me buddy. "The rich class to day is attacked so hard on taxes it is crazy." - No they don't, they pay less in taxes than your average American percentage wise BECAUSE of the loopholes they find to not pay as much in the first place. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/04/as-the-rich-become-super-rich-they-pay-lower-taxes-for-real/ - Also there are two major fallacies in your argument. 1. Being wealthy and hard working are NOT one and the same. Most people acquire their wealth through connections, inheritance, and often exploitation of the poor. There are also countless more hardworking poor people than there are wealthy. I absolutely HATE when people attempt to correlate work ethic and the amount of wealth someone possesses in attempt to make excuses for those who rarely work a day in their life. 2. Higher taxes that you can afford is not a punishment, especially when it's being used to uplift society as a whole. Everyone benefits from this. Greed and corruption prevents this.
liltankjj says2015-12-19T14:52:18.2097499Z
Pese excuse the placement of your handle in front of my augment.
briantheliberal says2015-12-19T14:57:05.9884840Z
Okay I am going to narrow it down to make this short. You said - " The rich class to day is attacked so hard on taxes it is crazy. This leads to them searching for loop holes to get around the tax." - I responded with "No they don't, they pay less in taxes than your average American percentage wise BECAUSE of the loopholes they find to not pay as much in the first place." You then said "Why punish someone who is reaping benefits of there hard work?" and I said "Being wealthy and hard working are NOT one and the same. Most people acquire their wealth through connections, inheritance, and often exploitation of the poor."
liltankjj says2015-12-19T15:20:00.2345113Z
Bam now we can get some were. Thank you for clearing this up. First off In my argument I never said that the rich class pays more, I said they are attacked. This is the reason for loop wholes and hiding of money. You want to fix that simplify the tax code. I advised a flat tax. For example 10% down the board. I believe it solves that problem. Secondly, the rich class is not a bunch of evil cheats. At least thats what I took from this argument: "Being wealthy and hard working are NOT one and the same. Most people acquire their wealth through connections, inheritance, and often exploitation of the poor." Keeping in mind when you simplified this you left out the fact that I already acknowledged inheritance as a way to acquire wealth. I however, disagree with exploitation of the poor. Not all do this but some may. So I can't agree with you adjective use of often here. I come from nothing, and I thank the rich for the opportunities. Lastly, My main point is why tax someone more because they earned more even if it was inherited. This makes little to no sense to me and its been going on as long as I can remember. It almost seems like redistribution of wealth which I am completely against. The money taken from the rich class and middle class is used for all of the social programs that this over bearing government has forced up the noses of Americans. To clarify I'm not saying social programs are bad, but they shouldn't be permanent. They should be used to get people on there feet not to pick them up and then carry them. If redistribution of wealth is what you are supporting then we are at a disagreement. But if not please explain why the rich should be deliberately taxed more then other people, besides the fact that they can afford it.
liltankjj says2015-12-19T15:26:58.2445498Z
I hate that I can't structure separate paragraphs on this oh well
briantheliberal says2015-12-19T16:10:58.2033749Z
Firstly, the topic is not what type of tax should be implemented. That is a separate discussion. Secondly, "the rich class is not a bunch of evil cheats." - I never said they were and if that's what you got from what I said you should probably read it again. Some wealthy people, especially bankers and corporations do exploit the poor for financial gain. Many do get away with fraud. Many do buy their way out of financial ruin. Many wealthy people also buy politicians to influence legislation and help them benefit financially, such is the case with the Military Industrial Complex and the Prison Industrial Complex - both of which negatively and disproportionately affect poor people. This, however, does not apply to all wealthy people of course. As already established, most inherit some amount of wealth passed down through generations but inheriting money you didn't earn is not hard work. That's also not EARNING money, that is inheriting it. There is a difference. Lastly, social programs are not permanent nor are they forced upon anyone. They are regulated instutitions used as a safety net for those who actually need them. The idea that people are simply living off of them for the sake of it or just because they are lazy is a clear misconception and usually rooted in propaganda. Aside from this, I believe the wealthy should be taxed more, not dramatically more but just enough to actually benefit society as a whole. Take this into account - taxes were far higher on top incomes in the three decades after World War II and the distribution of income was far more equal. During this time, the American economy grew faster in those years than it's grown since tax rates were lowered for the wealthy during the 1980s via Reagan's shitty Trickle Down nonsense. When Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy in the 1990s, the economy produced faster job growth and higher wages. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy and we fell right into a recession. It's simply good for the economy and helps it to flourish.
sadolite says2015-12-19T18:19:26.4383497Z
It's easy for someone with no ambition or success in their life to confiscate other peoples money at gun point and give it to themselves.
Robkwoods says2015-12-20T00:01:11.5242280Z
Trickle down economics isn't a real thing. It was a term made up by progressives. Reagan simply reduced government intervention in the market. Check out the economy following Reagan's term. The point of taxes is to do what? Raise tax revenue. Not surprisingly, every time taxes are increased the amount of tax revenue from income decreases. Guess what happens when you cut taxes? Economy grows, private job market grows, and employment increases.
bballcrook21 says2015-12-20T20:10:09.5745337Z
You have to be a next level of idiot to want higher taxes. My god, how far this country has strayed from its roots. Have you people ever heard of the word Freedom? Or Property?
Forthelulz says2015-12-20T22:19:49.2758635Z
I love the logic for "Yes". It's bad when it seems like they're looking for someone to be taxed, and the rich are singled out because "they can afford it". What purpose does screwing over the rich to pay for things they don't agree with serve? But... If someone high enough up does something truly bad, there's a nice book called Coup d'etat that some people should give a read.
liltankjj says2015-12-21T02:35:06.4969076Z
@briantheliberal: The main concept you are speaking is redistribution of wealth. This is not a legit way to fix things bro. It doesn't matter who is in office the bottom line is you shouldn't be forced to support anyone. And quite frankly, thats what government is force. Taxing the wealthy more for the good of the whole is not a great idea due in whole to what I have already pointed out and you have agreed to. This is socialism that you are speaking of at that only works in a community since. Example. I know Jane down the road is hitting fought times so to save her some cash I pull out the grill and get the neighborhood together to buy some meat and we cook. Invite her and her family over and she eats and even takes some home. Thats socialism. Socialism will always fail when it is ran by the government because the government only knows force. You can not force people to do anything. I see in your profile you consider yourself a progressive libertarian and thats not bad. But as a man of liberty I would be live you see and understand freedom. So why be for so much control? Taxing the rich fixes nothing and your example of past presidents accolades can be switched around and sound just as good. Why is it the Clinton didn't reap the benefits of Reagan's moves or Bush taking the fall for Clinton. The point I am making is taxing the rich more isn't going to fix the issue. The issue is an overbearing government plain and simple.
Ryne says2015-12-22T03:22:15.0690293Z
I think that there definitely needs to be more redistribution of wealth within the United States. We have a vast amount of income and wealth inequality which stands in the way of our economic growth- and degrades our nation's commitment to equality and justice for all people. I'm in favor of higher taxes on the profit margins of multinational companies, higher taxes on capital gains, the introduction of a wealth tax, and a steep graduation of the income tax in order to 1) Limit the increases we've seen in economic inequality and 2) Put money into public coffers, money that can be used to finance public services which all of us depend upon- and services which can help to grow the economy as a whole. Services which are far more preferential to sustainable economic growth than supply-side tax cuts.
Forthelulz says2015-12-22T09:11:53.9684958Z
@Ryne I schemed and sweated my way to the top, and now you idiots in your taxpayer paid-for suits are coming into my office and saying that I have to turn over the rewards for my efforts over to the public... Especially after I went all that effort to get that money from them in the first place.
liltankjj says2015-12-22T21:58:36.8267914Z
@Forthelulz: yep that's what it sounds like he meant to me, and he left out the part that if you use your freedom of speech to protest it then you will be met with absolute force because you now belong to the socialized government of the United States. What a joke, work hard to support those that try and skate by. Thanks America for equal outcome not equal opportunity.
Death23 says2016-03-31T01:28:09.8965777Z
Kill the rich.
Dip.King1 says2016-03-31T23:51:55.4177985Z
Why is it fair to tax those who work their asses off for money?
themightyindividual says2016-04-02T23:12:35.8235049Z
@briantheliberal Yes, people commit crimes, we know that, but it has nothing to do with the poll. This poll is about taxes, not crime. If it were about crime I would remind you that most crime is committed by poor people and so we should tax them more of course. However, I am not retarded and so I choose not to generalize especially when the generalization only applies to a minority of a specific group.
themightyindividual says2016-04-02T23:13:50.9067862Z
@death23 Kill the rich and you'll starve the poor.
themightyindividual says2016-04-02T23:15:39.0934797Z
Someone explain to me (using reason) why income inequality is considered a problem that needs to (and can) be solved.
vardaanbhat says2016-04-02T23:31:53.0077227Z
Why should we punish the successful for their success?
themightyindividual says2016-04-03T20:10:14.4742688Z
Whichever option has more comments is usually correct.
YaboiRoge says2016-04-05T16:51:06.7740957Z
Fuck yeah, why not
themightyindividual says2016-04-05T23:13:34.2412843Z
@yaboiroge Would I support a tax on people in your income tax bracket? Fuck yeah why not?
bhakun says2016-04-05T23:53:55.0446412Z
Fuck the rich. Hoarding extreme amounts of wealth while people starve.
themightyindividual says2016-04-06T01:47:16.0890280Z
@bhakan Fuck the poor! Taking billions in the form of welfare away from those who earned it while I have to hide my money in a different country like a seagull being chased down by other seagulls because he has food.
mostlogical says2016-04-06T16:50:17.3401926Z
@ bhakun - paying for something and then thinking you should take some money back due to wanting to feel as good or better than someone who is successful, is non-nonsensical. Why not be successful?
bhakun says2016-04-08T03:06:44.7325326Z
@mostlogical nice strawman. When did I say poor people have to be better than "successful" people? I'm saying that no matter how "successful" you are (success is not determined by "hard work" btw, when you grow up you'll figure that out), it does not justify valuing fancy yachts and designer clothes over the life a human being.
questioneranswerer says2016-10-19T13:50:05.0124168Z
Wow you guys should run the place...
questioneranswerer says2016-10-19T13:51:08.0368208Z
Ho
Nopa says2017-09-21T21:43:21.5889733Z
Increasing the taxes on the reach could help taxes relying projects and jobs but it could also cause the rich to live and are economy is heavily reliant on the wealthy. It is a risky move. Also success does not equal hard working. Some successful people work hard for it but some haven't. Raising taxes will effect both. They have the money. But are nation is based on equal opportunity and rights not what a person has (We live in a capitalist society after all). So would it be right to taxes the hard working or those how got lucky. (I wish a could get lucky) I is a compacted issue so am not sure where I stand. But I have three years till I can vote to decide.
Nopa says2017-09-21T21:45:19.1197035Z
I mean it is a complected issue : ).
DawnRipper says2017-09-22T13:52:56.9616333Z
The rich pay the majority of the taxes already! Flat taxes, is the best system!
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AutumnMarie says2017-09-28T21:22:14.0989077Z
The best option would be to have a flat 5-15% tax on all U.S. citizens regardless of income or assets/liabilities
bigdave says2017-10-11T19:04:49.1199923Z
The top 10 % of "income" earners already pay 59% of the personal income taxes. "Wealth" is not necessarily taxed under the IRS code. Many people misunderstand that their "tax the rich" plan is driven by envy rather than economics. The real issue is not taxes and who pays, but rather how are the taxes being spent.
bigdave says2017-10-11T19:05:34.4070826Z
The top 10 % of "income" earners already pay 59% of the personal income taxes. "Wealth" is not necessarily taxed under the IRS code. Many people misunderstand that their "tax the rich" plan is driven by envy rather than economics. The real issue is not taxes and who pays, but rather how are the taxes being spent.
ninjamanatee200 says2017-10-13T01:46:45.3338872Z
I only support flat tax. Taxing different people by preset amounts will only lead to arguments about certain people being taxed too much or others being taxed too little.
MasturDbtor says2017-10-15T19:41:58.2850242Z
@ ninjamantee200 There will be arguments either way. Personally I think taxes should be based on net worth instead of income. Your ability to afford to pay a tax depends on how much money and assets you have, not how much you happen to be making during a single year.
diercarrot says2017-11-10T03:27:07.7822475Z
There should be less tax. People work hard and deserve a reward for their creativeness and success. I think the wealthy should receive the same tax rate as everyone. These people would stop investing in their cities and companies.
Bobrick says2017-11-10T04:59:54.0071282Z
Capitalists get their money by leveraging what they have against people who have less, hard work has nothing to do with how much money they get. You might as well say that lotto winners earn their money. Also, if you have a lot of money in the first place, you can actually just sit on your ass and pay someone else to make money by leveraging your money for you. I feel sorry for you suckers making minimum wage who think that billionaires earn their money. Their kind are making a little more off your work every day. People like Gates take about half of the money taken in by their employees, and their employees are gaining extra capital through the leveraging that's done against farmers, contracters, and on and on, finally poor people in America are making capital off the work of Chinese poor people because the US leverages it's capital to create a massive trade imbalance with them
Bobrick says2017-11-10T05:06:09.1115327Z
Capitalists get their money by leveraging what they have against people who have less, hard work has nothing to do with how much money they get. You might as well say that lotto winners earn their money. Also, if you have a lot of money in the first place, you can actually just sit on your ass and pay someone else to make money by leveraging your money for you. I feel sorry for you suckers making minimum wage who think that billionaires earn their money. Their kind are making a little more off your work every day. People like Gates take about half of the money taken in by their employees, and their employees are gaining extra capital through the leveraging that's done against farmers, contracters, and on and on, finally poor people in America are making capital off the work of Chinese poor people because the US leverages it's capital to create a massive trade imbalance with them
Bobrick says2017-11-10T05:26:43.0638426Z
RRegulate intra-corporate income ratios, give workers ground to stand on when negotiating wages. The government doesn't need to take money from the rich, just keep them from twisting our arms so they can reap the fruits of our labor. Corporate dictatorship is looking ever more real
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2017-11-23T05:33:58.1188449Z
For current tax people, they ALREADY pay higher taxes

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