I am a Christian, are you?Posted 10 years Ago

At 11/3/2009 3:36:50 PM, GodSands wrote:
: At 11/2/2009 4:05:06 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 11/2/2009 4:03:08 AM, GodSands wrote:
I know because I stick to what I say. The truth is hard and not easy to take in. It shouldn't be great and happy truth, it is an increadible truth yet people hate it. Do you think that there is something wrong with the truth? It is not you who is wrong it is the truth that is wrong, this is the biggest load of illogical rubbish you could possibly say. You are in the wrong, the truth is right! And Jesus is the truth!

TRANSLATION:

"I say it many times because it is the truth. It is the truth because I say it over and over and over again. You are illogical."

I don't even need to respond any further. I take solace in knowing that every person besides yourself on this forum will read what you have to say and think to himself "This person has absolutely no idea what he is talking about".


Kleptin, stop puuting words in my mouth and stop being a child.

Amen. Will people please stop giving GodSands such a hard time? I know, my words are futile, but please, in all you mockery you sound less like the respectable debators you are and more like undisciplined middleschool children.

Grow a mature bone for crying out loud.
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I am a Christian, are you?Posted 10 years Ago

Sinning does not exclude you from the body of Christ. Sinning continually Does not exclude you from the body of Christ. Denying Christ does not exclude you from the body of Christ (see Mark 14), because we know the apostle Peter did it three times, and yet he was a Christian. God is patient.

Sinning continually without repentance, conforming to the world with no remorse, and neglecting the Word of God, prayer, and church is good evidence and only good evidence that a person is not a Christian. Almost nothing is certain. We cannot know the hearts of men; that knowledge is for God alone.
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Questions for GodsandsPosted 10 years Ago

Jesus was God.

...and remains God, And will be God forever.
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Questions for GodsandsPosted 10 years Ago

At 10/31/2009 11:17:22 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/30/2009 8:24:42 PM, Renzzy wrote:
21. Where in the Gospels does Jesus call himself god?
Jhn. 10:30, Jhn. 8:58, etc.
That is not true.

[John 10:30] "I and my Father are one."
[John 8:58] "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

Was Jesus claiming divinity by these statements? Absolutely he did not. Jesus said that God is greater than him and everybody else, and that he cannot do anything except by the will of God. Is this God speaking? No it's not.

[John 14:28] "...my Father is greater than I."
[John 5:30] "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[John 10:29] "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all"

Who's speaking here? God or Jesus? It is very clear that Jesus never claimed divinity, nor say that we should worship him. He even prayed to God. There is not any single verse in the Bible speaking about the divinity of Jesus or trinity.

You misunderstand the message Jesus was sending in these statements, though I can see how you made the mistake.

First, claiming oneness with the Father is absolutely claiming deity. Second, when Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM", he is refering back to the incident with the burning bush and Moses. In Exodus 3:14, God calls himself by the name "I AM", and Jesus, in John 8:58 is claiming that same title. If you read futher in this passage of John, you will see that the Pharisees also saw this as Jesus cliaming deity, and accused Him of Blasphemy.

So yes, Jesus did claim diety. What we have here is an apparant contradiction. Jesus cliams deity, then he says the Father is greater than Himself. What does this mean? Let me explain.

In coming to earth, Jesus humbled and humiliated Himself. He was equally God, but in order to make the necessary sacrifice for our sins, it was required that He be humbled and humiliated. Note that God set these rules for Himself. He wanted to show us the extent of His love and grace. So Jesus, the Son of God, came to earth as a baby, gave up His omnipresence, and subjected Himself to hunger, weariness, thirst, etc. This was all part of the humiliation. Note that He still had power over the minds of men as He could see into them, He had power over nature in that He controlled it, and He had power over the heavenly beings, as they came down to aid Him after His temptation in the desert.

We still see the attributes of God, but contained in the limmiting body of a man. He chose to do this for our sake. In saying, then, that the person of the Father was greater than the person of the Son (Himself) at this time, then, was completely correct. He had chosen to Humble Himself. Notice how, even after He was killed, He had power over death and the grave; power only seen exibited by God.

Jesus was (and is) the second person in the Godhead, and the One who humbles Himslef on our account. He did not give up His divine nature, only select few of His divine powers, which are still in the hands of the other two persons in the trinity.

Jesus was God.
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Questions for GodsandsPosted 10 years Ago

At 10/27/2009 3:45:36 PM, rawrxqueen wrote:
1. God is the absolute creator, so can he create himself?
This is an illogical question. God is described in the Bible as being all powerful, all knowing, and wise beyond our comprehension. God can do whatever He wishes, but again, this is like aking if God can create somthing to heavy for himself to lift. It has no real meaning or purpose in life or theology. WHat reason would he have to create Himself?
2. Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam's sin? If the bible itself says that children will not be punished for the parents' sins (Deut. 24:16).
Duet. 24:16 is talking about social sins which are between two people, so the son shall not be punished for the bucket his father stole. In the realm of apostacy, however, God most certainly does punish generation after generation. Duet. 5:9.
3. If god really created Adam not knowing either good or evil (Gen 3:22), how could such a harsh and enduring punishment as death for Adam and all his descendants possibly be just?
God told them not to eat the fruit and they did. The puishment is not according to the magnitude of the sin they committed. The puishment is so steep because they sinned against a perfect God. Any sin committed against this God, then, is not only deserving of death, but also eternal damnation.
4. How could Adam and Eve ever have sinned if god had actually created them perfect, even if they did have free will? If god created them imperfect, how could a perfect omnipotent being create anything imperfect?
At that point they were perfect because they had not sinned, not becase theycould not sin. God created them with a free will, and they chose to sin.
5. Why Pray? If it changes god's mind then he is not sovereign. If it does not change god's mind then it is superfluous.
We pray, first of all, because we are commanded to, not to change God's mind, but to mind God's change. The more time we spend in communication with God, the more we will understand why He does the things He does, and be at peace with it.
6. Why would a loving, omnipotent, benevolent god cause people to believe falsehoods so that he can condemn them? (II Thes 2:11 - 12)
Rom. 9:19-24
7. Why does Jesus quote a non-existent verse of the OT scripture (John 7:38)? Is it possible that he considered other non-canonical writings also to be god's Word?
Note that Jesus gives no reference. This is because He is not quoting from one particular book, but many. All throughout the scriptures He is refered to as the water of life, or the living water that will cleanse the land, etc. See Isaiah 44:3, 55:1, 58:11, and John 4:10 for examples of this. Basically, Jesus is saying that He will dwell in the hearts of those who believe in Him.
8. Which "Ten Commandments" are the Ten Commandments - the ones listed in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, or the ones listed at Exodus 34? Only the list at Exodus 34 is explicitly called the "Ten Commandments" in the biblical text.
Illogical question. All of the commandments given by God are important. Both could be considered the legitimant.
9. Why does the writer of Matthew quote a non-existent OT prophecy (Matthew 2:23)?
http://www.apologeticspress.org...
10. Why does the writer of Matthew attribute a quote about the potter's field to Jeremiah, when Jeremiah has no such passage and the closest one in the OT is Zechariah (Matthew 27:9 - 10, Zechariah 11:12)?
http://www.theology.edu... It is very possible that the first few chapters of Zechariah were not written by him at all, but instead by Jeremiah.
11. Why doesn't prayer work, when the bible promises that it will (John 14:14, for example)?
We are commanded to pray according to God's will, and his will will be done. Prayer works. I have experienced it.
12. Why aren't Christians doing greater works than Jesus did, since he himself said they would (John 14:12)? Why aren't they raising the dead, turning water into wine, healing the sick, feeding multitudes from a very small amount of food, casting out demons, walking on water?
The Apostles did, and the people of their time still did not believe. We do not see thses things today, becuase we do not need them. We have the whole Bible, they didn't.
13. If god has a plan laid out for each and every one of us...then why should us praying for things to happen do anything?
See my answer to Q. 5.
14. How can you say your religion is true knowing there are thousands of religions and that you would say the religion you believe now is a lie if you had been born in to another?
Christianity is the only religion that brings true peace. Any convert from any religion to christianity will tell you this.
15. Why should people believe in god?
He is the only way to heaven. Ps. 19:1
16. Can god make a rock so big that he can't lift it?
I have already answered this.
17. Why does the Book of Job seem to tell us that women and children are disposable?
It in no way tells us that. It shows us a man who is completely reliatnt on God, and considers Him his only necessity.
18. Why couldn't the omnipotent god remove sin without requiring a sacrifice?
One of GOd's attributes is justice. How would He be just if he did not require sacrifice?
19. If we are his children, wouldn't hell be child abuse?
No offense, but this is a ridiculous question. See Rom. 9:19-14.
20. What's the deal with mosquitoes? Was that an "oops"?
All part of the curse when we fell into sin.
21. Where in the Gospels does Jesus call himself god?
Jhn. 10:30, Jhn. 8:58, etc.
22. If god is benevolent and omnipotent then how come Jesus had to be sacrificed for his forgiveness?
I don't understand the question. Jesus didn't need forgiveness, but we did, and we couldn't do it. That is why he died.
23. What evidence is there that god is real other than a book at says the Earth is 6000 years old?
This would take more characters than I have Available. Perhaps another forum topic? In a nutshell, we see Him working in the world today.
24. Can god create something that he cannot control?
Again, this is an illogical question. He is all powerful, but why would He? God does nothing on a whim, or without reason.
25. If free will is necessary for us to truly love god, what happens in heaven? Is it possible to sin in heaven?
In heaven, Satan will be cast down, and there will be no more eveil. There will be no sin to commit, because, unlike Adam and Eve, we will be unable to sin. Adam and Eve were decieved by Satan, but we in heaven will not have that problem. There will only be God, who we will have pefect communion with. We will not be able to sin, because in our free will, we will have only one choice.
26. Why are there so many contradictions in the Bible - isn't god powerful enough to keep the Bible error-free?
I could provide you with a reasonable explaination to everything you claim is a contradiction in the Bible, but now is not the time, and here is not the place for lack of space.
27. Why doesn't God make faith easier?
In Jesus, we had God in the flesh walking among us and performing miracles. He fulfilled all of the prophecies, and proved He was God, even raising Himself from the dead. Could it get any easier than that? Yet, we crucified Him. It is not that faith is impossibly difficult, it is just that we are so stubborn and thick headed.
28. If it really is God who gives Christians their faith (John 6), how can he blame people for not believing in him, especially when it's not their fault they're born with original sin?
See Rom. 9 passage above.
29. Can an omnipotent, omniscient God change his future mind?
No, it goes against His character. Mal. 3:6, James 1:17, Num. 23:19, Isaiah 46:10-11, etc.
30. Why would god make plants before he created sunlight?
Because He is God, and He can. Why not?

I shall stop there :]
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CreationismPosted 11 years Ago

My thinking is this: It must be a valid theory.

Both creationism has evidence behind it to back it up, thus it must be a theory.
Yes, the evidence it provides is valid evidence, because scientists much more learned than any of us here debate it hotly EVERY DAY.

Put aside the details for a moment, and nobody can simply write off a creationist and tell them they are wrong.

Am I wrong?
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CreationismPosted 11 years Ago

Unfortunately It does not allow enough room in the topic box to post the details of the topic I wish to be discussed. Creationism standing alone as a topic could be many things, so I wish to narrow the field to whether or not creationism is a valid scientific theory. Every debate on the topic of creationism turn out debating whether or not it is even a valid theory.

My question is this: Do you think it is a valid theory? Why do you answer the way you do?

Those of you who cannot discuss this without keeping a level head, please do not contribute to the conversation. I want this to be a round table discussion, not an argument.

Thanks!

Renzzy
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