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Was Spain better off under Franco?Posted 3 years Ago

At 3/19/2018 12:36:45 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/19/2018 12:33:51 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
At 3/18/2018 4:18:55 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/18/2018 4:01:37 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
At 3/18/2018 3:40:58 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/18/2018 3:20:11 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
Yeah, I'd love to live in a country that exterminated its political opponents and abducted children from Republican parents!
The Republicans were way worse than the Nationalists in terms of brutality.

To be brutally honest, Franco owed the sheer existence of his regime to Hitler, Mussolini, and Salazar, much as Azana would have at least partially owed his to Stalin (had he won.)
But Nazism is nothing compared to Spanish Falangism, especially after fascist elements were abandoned for more religious-ish and conservative ones in the 50s.

Estimates of the Red Terror range from 38,000 to 172,000. Estimates for the White Terror are around 200,000 - 400,000, although you can easily find those that argue the Red Terror was more deadly (such as yourself it seems.)

The "Reds" shall we say certainly committed many crimes, this is a fact. The Whites in my opinion committed many more. You do not hear of the communists experimenting on humans (to "establish the bio-psych roots of Marxism" was one White reason) or of the pre-war Republican government requiring women to need her husband's permission to take a job or open a bank account.
Much of the fascist elements of the Falange were abandoned after the war since Hitler wasn't there to force Franco into doing those things. After the war, the nationalist government was influenced more by conservative movements in the western world.

I am not referencing the ideology of Hitler, Mussolini, or Salazar in comparison to Falangism. I am truthfully stating that Franco had immense diplomatic, financial, and material support from the three. Italy was easily the biggest contributor of the 3. To deny otherwise is lunacy.
Not denying that, but Britain was also tempted to support Francoist Spain despite being a democracy. Hitler was the autistic child of the three. I'm not the biggest fan of Mussolini or Salazar, but neither of them could even compare to Hitler.

Perhaps we could formally debate this? I think it'd make for a rather interesting discussion.

how about in a few weeks? i'm a bit pre-occupied with some stuff right now

Of course, no problem.
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Political Compass TestPosted 3 years Ago

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.08
https://www.politicalcompass.org...

Your PERSONAL Issues Score is 50%
Your ECONOMICS Issues Score is 20%

I mostly detest Centrism but I suppose this would be somewhat accurate given I haven't really "chosen" an ideology yet.
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Political Compass TestPosted 3 years Ago

Alright, I'll do both.
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Was Spain better off under Franco?Posted 3 years Ago

At 3/18/2018 4:18:55 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/18/2018 4:01:37 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
At 3/18/2018 3:40:58 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/18/2018 3:20:11 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
Yeah, I'd love to live in a country that exterminated its political opponents and abducted children from Republican parents!
The Republicans were way worse than the Nationalists in terms of brutality.

To be brutally honest, Franco owed the sheer existence of his regime to Hitler, Mussolini, and Salazar, much as Azana would have at least partially owed his to Stalin (had he won.)
But Nazism is nothing compared to Spanish Falangism, especially after fascist elements were abandoned for more religious-ish and conservative ones in the 50s.

Estimates of the Red Terror range from 38,000 to 172,000. Estimates for the White Terror are around 200,000 - 400,000, although you can easily find those that argue the Red Terror was more deadly (such as yourself it seems.)

The "Reds" shall we say certainly committed many crimes, this is a fact. The Whites in my opinion committed many more. You do not hear of the communists experimenting on humans (to "establish the bio-psych roots of Marxism" was one White reason) or of the pre-war Republican government requiring women to need her husband's permission to take a job or open a bank account.
Much of the fascist elements of the Falange were abandoned after the war since Hitler wasn't there to force Franco into doing those things. After the war, the nationalist government was influenced more by conservative movements in the western world.

I am not referencing the ideology of Hitler, Mussolini, or Salazar in comparison to Falangism. I am truthfully stating that Franco had immense diplomatic, financial, and material support from the three. Italy was easily the biggest contributor of the 3. To deny otherwise is lunacy.
Not denying that, but Britain was also tempted to support Francoist Spain despite being a democracy. Hitler was the autistic child of the three. I'm not the biggest fan of Mussolini or Salazar, but neither of them could even compare to Hitler.

Perhaps we could formally debate this? I think it'd make for a rather interesting discussion.
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World War III Leaders Summit: Sign UpsPosted 3 years Ago

At 3/19/2018 12:25:33 AM, WOLF.J wrote:
At 3/19/2018 12:11:13 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
At 3/19/2018 12:07:25 AM, WOLF.J wrote:
At 3/19/2018 12:03:34 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
At 3/18/2018 11:14:26 PM, WOLF.J wrote:
At 3/18/2018 11:02:04 PM, TPPDJT wrote:
I'd like Vlad Please. Time to restore Soviet Union!!!!!!!!

taken by ice, would u like to be someone else?

Nah, Russia would've been my only other choice since the US and China were taken.
Perhaps an agent, if so, u can privately dm me on whether u want to be a single or double agent. ?

No thanks, but in the future perhaps you could do a World War II version of this (obviously with tweaks of course.)
Alright cool, itd have to an alternative ww2 of course

Thanks for taking it into consideration!
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World War III Leaders Summit: Sign UpsPosted 3 years Ago

At 3/19/2018 12:07:25 AM, WOLF.J wrote:
At 3/19/2018 12:03:34 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
At 3/18/2018 11:14:26 PM, WOLF.J wrote:
At 3/18/2018 11:02:04 PM, TPPDJT wrote:
I'd like Vlad Please. Time to restore Soviet Union!!!!!!!!

taken by ice, would u like to be someone else?

Nah, Russia would've been my only other choice since the US and China were taken.
Perhaps an agent, if so, u can privately dm me on whether u want to be a single or double agent. ?

No thanks, but in the future perhaps you could do a World War II version of this (obviously with tweaks of course.)
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World War III Leaders Summit: Sign UpsPosted 3 years Ago

At 3/18/2018 11:14:26 PM, WOLF.J wrote:
At 3/18/2018 11:02:04 PM, TPPDJT wrote:
I'd like Vlad Please. Time to restore Soviet Union!!!!!!!!

taken by ice, would u like to be someone else?

Nah, Russia would've been my only other choice since the US and China were taken.
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World War III Leaders Summit: Sign UpsPosted 3 years Ago

I'd like Vlad Please. Time to restore Soviet Union!!!!!!!!
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Was Spain better off under Franco?Posted 3 years Ago

At 3/18/2018 3:46:54 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/18/2018 3:16:22 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 3/17/2018 5:35:16 PM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/17/2018 5:16:12 PM, Draka wrote:
At 3/17/2018 3:49:46 PM, Deus.Vult wrote:
The truth about modern day Spain is that its so-called democracy has failed its population. The Spanish people gained much more under Franco's regime.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. There's less civil unrest there now than there was under the Franco regime.

By how much? An attempt at Catalonian succession happened under modern-day liberal Spain in spite of their autonomy.

Yeah, but Catalonian seperatist sentiments began solely because of Franco's repression of their culture.

They were present before Franco ever cracked down on their acts of rebellion.

By "cracking down" do you mean executing 4000 Catalans between 1938 and 1953 or do you mean by banning the Catalan language, among many other things?
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Was Spain better off under Franco?Posted 3 years Ago

At 3/18/2018 3:40:58 AM, Deus.Vult wrote:
At 3/18/2018 3:20:11 AM, TPPDJT wrote:
Yeah, I'd love to live in a country that exterminated its political opponents and abducted children from Republican parents!
The Republicans were way worse than the Nationalists in terms of brutality.

To be brutally honest, Franco owed the sheer existence of his regime to Hitler, Mussolini, and Salazar, much as Azana would have at least partially owed his to Stalin (had he won.)
But Nazism is nothing compared to Spanish Falangism, especially after fascist elements were abandoned for more religious-ish and conservative ones in the 50s.

Estimates of the Red Terror range from 38,000 to 172,000. Estimates for the White Terror are around 200,000 - 400,000, although you can easily find those that argue the Red Terror was more deadly (such as yourself it seems.)

The "Reds" shall we say certainly committed many crimes, this is a fact. The Whites in my opinion committed many more. You do not hear of the communists experimenting on humans (to "establish the bio-psych roots of Marxism" was one White reason) or of the pre-war Republican government requiring women to need her husband's permission to take a job or open a bank account.

I am not referencing the ideology of Hitler, Mussolini, or Salazar in comparison to Falangism. I am truthfully stating that Franco had immense diplomatic, financial, and material support from the three. Italy was easily the biggest contributor of the 3. To deny otherwise is lunacy.
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