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IRISHdebater
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GorgeousGorgias
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A Social Democracy is vastly superior then Capitalism in its current form.

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Started: 1/27/2021 Category: Politics
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IRISHdebater

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Capitalism in its current form is a bad economic and social long-term economy. I will be using America as an example. I am Irish, In Ireland we do not live in a social democracy nor a capitalist society. We along with England and many others are in between. We have free healthcare to a degree and good social welfare. However in America, The healthcare system is a disaster. One in every three Americans who declare bankruptcy blame it on medical related reasons. The fact that one of the wealthiest nations in the world does not even have free medical care when even the Soviet Union had it is stupid. The government are happier to pour more money into there military then there healthcare system is a disgrace.

Capitalism needs to evolve and it has. In western Europe we have social welfare and benefits. We got these during the cold war as the governments decided it was a good idea as communism was on the rise and this could help cool things down. America, Clings to its capitalism with an iron grip. Americans hate communism without even knowing what it is. I am no communist but nor was the soviet union. They were socialist. Besides that, Americans still believe America is a capitalist paradise. Capitalism does not work. Socialism doesn't work either. In theory they could work but they don't. All the socialist countries became dictatorships. Some poorer capitalist countries hade coups after coups. The west is have drug and obesity epidemics that are weakening the nations as a whole. Drugs were created by capitalism. Obesity was a problem the rich had until capitalism came along and during the 20th century, Created a whole new epidemic. Recessions leave countries in shambles and one of the worst things capitalism brings, Is homelessness. Capitalism does not work.

A social Democracy on the other hand, Is proven to work. People in Scandinavia are some of the happiest in the world. They get great choices when it comes to school subjects and great great college grants. Charity is a big thing in those countries and helping others is grounded into there culture. They do not pump billions inti there military and instead spread it out into other sectors that need it. Ireland, United Kingdom, France etc. Are all on the way to hopefully become a social democracy.
GorgeousGorgias

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Before I begin on refuting your argument, I would like to note that my aim in this is not to demonstrate the opposite, Namely that capitalism is in fact superior to democratic socialism, But merely to elucidate why your line of reasoning is insufficient.

In the first paragraph, You claim that "The government are happier to pour more money into there military then there healthcare system is a disgrace. " The claim here appears to be that we are simply not spending enough money on healthcare in America. This, However, Is not supported by the data. "In 2017, The United States spent about $3. 5 trillion, Or 18 percent of GDP, On health expenditures " more than twice the average among developed countries. " $1. 5 trillion of this is directed by the federal government. "In other words, The federal government dedicates resources of nearly 8 percent of the economy toward health care. " In comparison, Only 5-6% of the GDP is spent on the defense budget. The government actually spends more on healthcare than on the military. Therefore the assertion that the U. S. Is spending too much on the military and not enough on healthcare is empirically false.

Hence it would appear that rather than not enough government involvement, It may be that the U. S. Government is interfering too much in the healthcare economy. This would tend to make sense as there is a strong correlation between the economic freedom of a country and the economic prosperity. While some people like to tout Scandanavia as a haven of socialism, This is actually false, As the Scandanavian countries have some of the highest economic freedom indexes in the world, Higher than the U. S. Incidentally, The UK, Where you live, Also has a higher economic freedom index than America. While there is a stereotype that these countries achieve their success through "democratic socialism, " this suggests that the real reason is the opposite, That they have implemented free market principals more successfully. This is of course not the only factor in the success of these countries. Factors such as population homogeneity and high social trust undoubtedly play a role.

You claim that "America, Clings to its capitalism with an iron grip. . . " and that "Americans hate communism without even knowing what it is, " but this is simply not true. America is a mixed-market (not capitalist) country that has implemented many of the tenets in Marx"s Communist Manifesto, Such as a progressive income tax.

I hoped I was misreading the text when I read: "Drugs were created by capitalism. " A hasty examination of this claim reveals that drugs were in use throughout history and not beginning with capitalism, Which is a relatively new invention. There are many third world countries in which drugs are sold widely. You write: "Obesity was a problem the rich had until capitalism came along and during the 20th century. . . " This is true in a very trivial sense. Before capitalism, Only the rich could get obese because they were the usually the ones rich enough to buy enough food to! There were, However, More prevalent problems of undernourishment. I am curious how you reason that homelessness was caused by capitalism. Unless you imagine that these problems are localized to capitalism or began in tandem with it, It is logically impossible for capitalism to have caused them.

In your final paragraph, You discuss the success of Scandanavia. As I have already indicated this is actually associated with, Among other factors, The free market economy there. You posit that Scandanavians donate a lot of money to charity. In reality, The country which makes the most charitable donations, Relative to GDP, Is the United States. The Scandanavian countries are up there on the list, But a ways down (Finland is #16). You reiterate the false implication that America is overspending on the military: "They do not pump billions inti there military and instead spread it out into other sectors that need it. "

To sum this up, Your assertion that democratic socialism is based on several severe misapprehensions.

You believe that the U. S. Is more capitalistic than Scandanavia/the UK (they have a lower economic freedom index)

You believe that the U. S. Spends less on healthcare and more on the military (they spend more on healthcare both than they do on the military and than the average European OECD country does by GDP)

You neglect other factors, And attribute social democracy as the cause of the success in Scandinavia.

You claim that obesity, Drug use, And homelessness were a product of capitalism (the latter two were present before it and in non-capitalist countries currently, And obesity is trivially enabled by more economic prosperity, But not chiefly by capitalism itself).

Therefore your claim that democratic socialism is superior to capitalism is based on invalid premises and reasoning.
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