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A conclusion to the art of communication

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Started: 4/9/2018 Category: Science
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2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

Emphasize is the best indicator if you are speaking with a genuinely wise intelligent well-balanced individual
These so-called highly intelligent scientists lack this ability just listen to there own lack of ability to emphasize within expression there own speech pattern. When these sort of people express within the act of communication there own brain gets in there own way it's called monotone abuse it's like a note is in their ability to sing is just not there. Unlike the way that some salesperson speak it sounds like its just too good to be true. Like so much honey in my tummy makes me feel funny.

Peace be with you.
Sonofcharl

Con

Hi.

Emphasize. Emphasis. Empathy?

Haven't debated on debate.org for a long time so I thought I would give it a whirl once again.

I will be honest and say that I haven't really got a clue as to what you are driving at.

Consequently I'm also unclear as to what I should be driving at .

What are you for and what am I against?

Nonetheless, looks like this might make for a fun, wordy debate.

Hopefully I will be able to derive some clarity from your next submission.


Peace be with you too.
Debate Round No. 1
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

To clarify monotone abuse. Now, this is not to be tone deaf as many are. This is to fall behind an apathetic tone in one's voice. I have even heard David Attenborough doing this when he speaks within scientific intricate jargon.

So if wisdom is to have the ability to have a structured conversation with the village idiot and accepting that tomorrow it's my turn to be the village idiot. Explaining complexities in the simplest manner is just like nuts and bolts. The hardest part is knowing how to put it all back together. What would you say to that?

If you read or even listen to audio books how well can you read a none or fictional storybook for your own children as to make it as genuinely real as possible? As to in capture there minds within the actual moment of the adventure.

This ability is just like an artist within a picture or a musician's to harmonise. Just as our own language is if broken down is explanatory as an example assume, to assume makes an a#s (of) u (and) me. Sometimes I believe that the structural evolution of language was created as to harmonise and many people as the likes of scientists are missing or abuse its true nature and hide behind monotones. But a salesman does the opposite and utilise within a harmonic natural speech pattern as to make the sale. To much honey in my tummy makes me feel funny.

Would you trust a salesman selling snake oil that speaks with a forked tongue?
For this is what I see within many scientists as the limb that they choose to go out upon weakens and almost at a breaking point change there own tune in their voice pattern and a tone that wasn't there now is. As to blow smoke up one a#s.

I also believe that to be apathetic is also within this same spectrum within one's own individual cognitive drives mindset and I fell that this is the cause and effect of why many scientists chose to lean towards atheism. As I hear it in there own descriptive failures within the harmonics of expression.
As to Emphasize. Emphasis. Empathy within expression. is it deliberate or unintentional or as to be unaware of one's own self as the well-balanced individual would be aware of this.

Is something just missing or not; passion, frustration and anger. Where is apathetic? Hiding behind the anger and frustration for passion within expression, falls away real fast doesn't it?
Sonofcharl

Con

Am I detecting a not very well hidden agenda here?


The nuances of speech may be innate in some and readily acquired by others.
But the art of vocal expression is not every ones cup of tea.


We concentrate our minds on a wide variety of interests and vocations.
These interests and vocations do not have to include, the skill of articulation.


Let story tellers tell stories, let singers sing and let scientists study, observe and experiment.
Most of all let people behave as individuals and be allowed to express themselves as they see fit.


I would suggest that the notion of "monotone abuse" is being used here as nothing more than a personally derived criticism, aimed at something that for some reason doesn't sit easy within Pro's mind.
Debate Round No. 2
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

Is that the best you have as to shout the messenger with another ad hominem with;

I would suggest that the notion of "monotone abuse" is being used here as nothing more than a personally derived criticism, aimed at something that for some reason doesn't sit easy within Pro's mind.

Even what you have written is full of an inability to converse constructively within a structured text.
with;
1/ easy could have been easily.
2/ personally, derived criticism is no more than a personal attack upon the messenger.
3/ aimed at something that for some reason doesn't sit easy within Pro's mind is also an attack upon the sanity of the messenger.

How is it that you can do this are you also;
Is something just missing or not; passion, frustration and anger. Where is apathetic? Hiding behind the anger and frustration for passion within expression, falls away real fast doesn't it?

You have automatically become defensive within your own rational reasoning of your own cognitive drive that seems to have sidetracked you as to not even considered to answer any of the questions that I have put forward. All you have done is attacked my own character and exposed your own flawed logic.

1/ So if wisdom is to have the ability to have a structured conversation with the village idiot and accepting that tomorrow it's my turn to be the village idiot. Explaining complexities in the simplest manner is just like nuts and bolts. The hardest part is knowing how to put it all back together. What would you say to that?

2/ Would you trust a salesman selling snake oil that speaks with a forked tongue?

3/ Is something just missing or not; passion, frustration and anger. Where is apathetic? Hiding behind the anger and frustration for passion within expression, falls away real fast doesn't it?

4/ Let us try this again, shall we?
Sonofcharl

Con

What actually underlies Pro's argument?

With such an abstract presentation, one has to attempt to decipher the encoded personal message and this will inevitably present as an ad hominem response in my own argument.

Does not Pro's argument itself, also boil down to personal criticism. Or am I still confused?

Or does Pro simply view this debate as a literary challenge. Is that their hidden agenda?
Initially, with their brief references to scientists and atheism I assumed Pro was leading me off down that well trodden debate track.

If this is, simply about Pro's personal grievance with "monotone abuse". I would consider that the assertions I made in Round 2 were an adequate opening counter to that simple proposition.

How does Pro view the concepts of Individual ability, individual choice and individual freedom of expression?

Let us try again, shall we?
Debate Round No. 3
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

So you have gone against at the start and now you come to a compromise with "How does Pro view the concepts of Individual ability, individual choice and individual freedom of expression?" Do I have to repeat myself does Polly want a cracker or does Polly need a cracker?

Yes, crackers salted or unsalted? I say to you this;

Are these monotone abuses aware or unaware of this subconsciously or not? I believe that rationalise reasoning within the cognitive mindset determines one's own conclusion within one's own personal concept of your ability to comprehend. So is this individual as to be as sheep and is freedom to be ignorant because of arrogance with monotone apathetic trends that fails one's self to be a well-balanced individual that uses the skill of articulation instead of hiding behind a big front of noise or the jargonised great wall of text that only another apathetic monotone scientist would or could understand. It's just like the lack of expression of ones and zeros that logic not rational reasoning. So you say TYPE Take Your Pick Everyone. But mean what you say and say what you mean if of course you can or are able to or even capital to begin with?
as long as it comes from the heart. But sometimes we need to be cruel to be kind and don't forget the golden rule.

So in short monotone abuses mindset can't comprehend as well as an articulate mindset. Because of apathy being there own disposition.


To put up with a little noise is easier than to not. as it will soon become the whole lot of noise.
Sonofcharl

Con

He's there again, right in the middle.
He's buried up to his waist and your throwing stones at him.
Did his hum annoy that much?

I've been hopping across rocks trying to come to terms with all this and now I've hopped right back to where I started from.

I think that, it wasn't really the hum that annoyed so much.
I think that, it was the tune he was humming.

Tone and verbiage can easily be ignored. But that depressing hum was drilling deep into the core of that metamorphic
seam of knowledge.

The sublime melody and harmony of your tune, might just as easily elicit an adverse response.
What woe, that your siren song should fall upon such deaf ears.

Better to dwell in the bliss of your own elysian song and let him meditate in the satisfaction of his monotone hum.

Just keep whistling your tune and let him hum his.
Debate Round No. 4
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

Are the people of the world ready for an apology from atheists and the sociopaths and psychopaths that rule with a big stick from the top of the tree of monkeys or the tower of Babel?

I have been throwing pebbles at the glass house as not to smash my own. Is it too much to ask for a world without so much despair as to not find a better word? It's there in my mind but it is trapped somewhere down deep as to protect myself as yes this monotone abuse is within us all as some exercise this disposition and make it strong and others bury it way down deep as to be less so apathetic and create noble traits of empathy, sympathy and humility as to become well-balanced individuals as the seesaw of insanity and sanity.

Peace be with you and thank you for the wisdom that you have shared as it's all just second-hand knowledge anyway. It's all been said before and no one owns it as to pass on the baton the gauntlet or even for the bride to toss the bouquet of flowers over the shoulder.

The tongue is as a double-edged sword it cuts both ways. Practising; Empathy, Humility, Sympathy and Cooperation throughout life, create's an understanding of the surroundings that we are subjected to, doing this teaches us to talk to each other, so we can speak with each other and not at each other.
Sonofcharl

Con

Ah.
I see him now, more clearly.
Standing quietly in the shade of his own tree.
Humming contentedly.
He won't bend to the will of your glorious mythical chant.
Those seeds of deception were scattered about him.
But were withered by the parched hum of reason.

Are not the sociopath and his acolytes actually singing your sweet song?

Try.
To cut back the overgrowth of tradition.
And rest for a while, in reflection of past innocence.
And Infant purity.
The dense seeding of that infant consciousness.
The crashing cymbals of god and heaven.
Deafened the subtle murmur of reason and judgement.

Does that chorus of speculation, actually resound with words of wisdom?

So.
In short conclusion, my valid justification.
May fall upon deaf ears and wither under your enduring canopy.
But that monotone hum.
Has sown a seed, and that ensuing discordance may cause dismay.
If your sweet song and that contented hum will not join in harmony.
Where lies the insanity?

Let him hum his hum, sing your solo song once again and peace will be with you.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Sonofcharl 3 years ago
Sonofcharl
Yes.

Immense enjoyment, once I understood things more clearly.

The clarity of poetic discussion is truly inspirational.

Peace be with everyone.
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
That was fun Sonofcharl, thank you for a conclusion to the art of communication. Happy tunes upon whatever road life put before you.

Peace be with you. All praise and glory belong to nature our own existence creator of an intelligent design of the known universe. Amen.
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
This is to find a conclusion, Kostas and TudraWolf if you can show and tell me please one atheist scientist in the limelight that does not do this as I will found that every religious scientist does not.

I think that atheists lack the ability of expression within there own speech pattern as an indicator of a direct or indirect shut down of humane abilities within the motor neurons of there mind and dwell within anger and frustration as to be apathetic.

I call it the monotone abuse of the mind.
Posted by TundraWolf 3 years ago
TundraWolf
You are arguing what about communication? Are you commenting on a paper that is necessary to being well informed?
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
Do not generalise to all scientists. Their engagement with science is all they have in common. Some do act as you describe, some do not.
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