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backwardseden
Pro (for)
The Contender
Lamter
Con (against)

A pregnant mother 21 shot and killed - yeah right- yet again another reason why god cannot exist

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Started: 7/17/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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backwardseden

Pro

There is absolutely no possible way that god according to the horrific bible exists unless you believe in pure 100% hate and evil.

Today with headlines reading here in Orlando (where else) "Pregnant woman killed, 2 kids wounded in Pine Hills shooting, sheriff says"
Now this supposed christian god is good for only two things... 1. Hate. 2. Evil.

Religion is and was created to explain the unexplained. Then through the unexplained comes power, then fear and then comes control. This christian god is giving all the power to the killer to take the life of the pregnant woman. And obviously there's the absolute fear that the killer instills. Of course with that fear there is the almighty control of the subjects and in this case the death of the pregnant woman and the fear he decimated, oh yeah that control with the surrounding subjects as two kids were also wounded.
god KNOWINGLY created this killer knowing what was going to happen trillions of years in advance which is 100% pure evil and hate. Well that's only true IF and only IF god is god.
god KNOWINGLY created this pregnant woman TO BE SHOT AND KILLED and knew what was going to happen trillions of years in advance. Of course that's only true IF and only IF god is god which is 100% pure evil and hate. This god also knew that that two kids would be wounded by some bullets trillions of years in advance which is 100% pure evil and hate that is IF and only IF god is a god.
god KNOWINGLY created the families, friends and loved ones to grieve, and who knows how long they will grieve as there's no time limit on grieving, and this god knew that this was going to happen trillions of years in advance which is 100% pure evil and hate that is IF and only IF god is a god.

Oh and oh yeah with a very big "duh" sign pinned to those who believe - there's 0 to prove that your god even exists.

One thing that is for sure is that ALL guns from around the world are needed to be gotten rid of. No exceptions. None. Its a step in the right direction, just as ALL religion is, that is IF and only IF you want worldwide peace. There are a few other things that need to happen.

Rules:
Prove that YOUR god is a good guy and does not give the go-ahead in allowing others to kill each other and is a loving god. DO NOT bring in the "free will" issue. I'm really tired of that truly idiotic lame argument. Free will does not exist if you believe in YOUR god. Besides, you'd only hurt yourself here especially as free will favors and empowers the evil and hate, just as your god wants it.
Lamter

Con

Looking forward to this debate!

I want to clarify that I am not going to be arguing whether God exists but rather I will be taking up the argument you proposed; I will be arguing:

“A kind God CAN exist despite all the evil occurring in this world”

I will assume that the following statements are the resolution:

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1) “There is absolutely no possible way that god according to the horrific bible exists unless you believe in pure 100% hate and evil.”

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The premise of your argument relies on the fact that death is a punishment to a human being. As such, you argue the fact that since God allows murder, He punishes the innocent and rewards the murderer.

I would accept this premise if the idea of Afterlife did not exist. The Afterlife is a place of either eternal torment or paradise. Those who have done well in the eyes of god will enter Paradise and as such, dying will lead to the greatest reward. Those who have sinned will enter hell and as such dying will lead to eternal punishment.

If an individual does believe in an Afterlife, they can believe in a God without believing in “pure 100% hate and evil”. God allowing murder of innocent lives can simply be seen as accelerating a person’s journey to the Afterlife.
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2) “Oh and oh yeah with a very big "duh" sign pinned to those who believe - there's 0 to prove that your god even exists.”

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This argument is an appeal to ignorance and is a logical fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

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I have intentionally left out your argument for gun control because I do not believe it adds to your point. Gun control will not disprove/prove existence of a non-evil God.

Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Here is a test for YOUR morality to see where YOU stand with YOUR god and how he believes with a simple "yes" or "no" response. Its only a couple of things. There are many more that have been left out.

* Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 24:16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
* Do you think you should die if you work on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.", Numbers 15: 32-36 " And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." Notice jesus worked on the sabbath, he was not put to death. Strange? That supposed "law" that christians use is in ill effect and does not work.
* Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death., Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.", Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:, Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."
* Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
* Do you think you should die if you are a homosexual? Y___? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
* Do you think you should die if you worship other gods? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 "9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." AND 17: 2-5 "2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

These plus many more completely absurd examples show how completely inane and insane this biblical god is, as well as completely immoral. Yet no one can even prove he even exists. Wow even worse is how many of the examples are taken directly from the 10 commandments THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD FOLLOW? What's worse is this so-called god would never use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible.

Simply put, if you answer "yes" to ---any--- of the questions, it means you are totally bankrupt, corrupt, and immoral, just like your unproved god clearly is in your shallow mind and you need not respond as I know where you stand as every single response absolutely requires a "no" response, no exceptions, none.
So if you have responded with a "no" response to all of the questions, congratulations, that means you are moral and sane and not bullied by a horrific god that you cannot even prove even exists. It also means that we can continue with what you have said in the debate - if it is moral and granted who am I to judge what is moral? Well I don"t kill people or cause people to suffer for no reason, god does.
"I want to clarify that I am not going to be arguing whether God exists" He"s YOUR god, how can you not? So jeez, that"s an automatic strike 1 and a very big shotgun to the head. but rather I will be taking up the argument you proposed; I will be arguing:
""A kind God CAN exist despite all the evil occurring in this world"" I didn"t propose that. And remember YOUR god creates all the evil that there is IF he"s in control of everything, in charge of everything, knows everything, is all knowing and all powerful, os omnipotent, is perfect, and is a god. So that"s not true now is it? Nope.
"I will assume"" Oh I get it, since you don"t know, you will "assume" which means that you will be guessing.
1) "There is absolutely no possible way that god according to the horrific bible exists unless you believe in pure 100% hate and evil."
"The premise of your argument relies on the fact that death is a punishment to a human being. As such, you argue the fact that since God allows murder, He punishes the innocent and rewards the murderer." Huh? Well only you know what you mean by that one. That"s strike 2 bub because that a clear invented excuse from something in which you clearly know nothing about. Um no. Absolutely not. To give you an idea of how ab-so-lu-te-ly 100% false that is" I had a friend who was raped, beaten and tortured by her step father at the age of fricken 4 sometimes twice per week all the way up until 17 when she runs away from home and that was only the start of her horrors. Death has nothing to do with it. Its the sufferings and agonizing pain during life that take place while breathing that most people have. And IF your fricken maggoty lice god was in any way a caring kind god, he"d wash away all the pain and horrors, especially unto children that they have while breathing and living in which they cannot possibly understand what is happening unto them because there Is NO UNDERSTANDING AT ALL as to why this is taking place. AND YOU ARE---A---CHILD!!!!!!
Screw the premise of an afterlife. Take care of the here and now.
Then you state "Those who have done well in the eyes of god will enter Paradise and as such, dying will lead to the greatest reward." bull s--t. If someone chops up six 5 year old girls and then finds christ he will have a spot in heaven. If I do not find christ, I am eternally damned. God has NOTHING to do with it. Ever hear this one? John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." god is NOT in control. chist that unproved drab is. So the rest of your paragraph is null and void.
"2) "Oh and oh yeah with a very big "duh" sign pinned to those who believe - there's 0 to prove that your god even exists."" Uppp here we go. Did you even bother to read the wikipedia article? You didn"t did you. Nope. Well only portions of it at best. - right? Obviously.

Well gee what does the argument from ignorance wikipedia article have anything to do with god? And no I didn"t read the entire article because it has nothing to do with a pregnant woman killed and two other kids wounded and your god hating on them which is the only possible way this god of yours can possibly exist.
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