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Abortion Should Be Illegal in MOST cases

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Started: 11/27/2018 Category: People
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Retrobobobo

Pro

I believe that abortion is wrong in most cases. People try to argue that abortions are good because the parent obviously isn't ready to have a child, So abortion helps get rid of the worry and stress without any future consequences. But they are forgetting this will be a future human being, A child. People say that when they are aborted they aren't "humans" yet and only a jumble of cells. Yes, They are only a jumble of cells, But they are a jumble of cells that are destined to become a human being. A living being that can make a difference and change the world, Better or worse. The only time id thinks abortion is an okay solution, Is if in ultrasounds and tests we know for sure that the baby won't survive life, Majorly disfigured, Or has extreme disabilities that will render them unconscious and in a vegetative state. I would like to get someone who is a Pro-Abortions opinion on why they think it's justifiable to destroy a future humans life.

Con

Just because they will be a human in the future does not mean they deserve the rights of their future self. They deserve the rights of who they are. An egg. Eggs are not baby chickens. They are inanimate lifeless objects. They do not have the rights of a human because they are not a human. You are not denying them anything, Because they are not alive. You are not killing them because they are not alive. They are a lifeless egg and you are not taking anything from them. Just because an egg has the possibility to be a person does not mean we should judge their life as a person. That is like saying that you are denying someone life by not having sexual intercourse. You are not denying someone life, Because that someone is not a person and does not have life. If you are against abortions, Do you at least support birth control?
Debate Round No. 1
Retrobobobo

Pro

Yes as I mentioned before, They are not human. . . YET. Eggs in chickens that we eat are infertile. They will NEVER develop into a chicken no matter what we do with the said egg. If you had a chicken that laid an egg, A fertile egg, And you can confirm that egg would become a life but it isn't alive yet, Would you still decide it isn't wrong to crush that egg? You find out this egg has a chick growing in it, You would just crush it as if it were any other egg?

However, These eggs within a woman are meant to become a human being. They aren't a human yet, But you are taking the chance away from someone who could make a difference and be another human. When you kill those clumps of cells, It isn't killing a human. It is killing a future life. Those clumps of cells in the egg if left unaltered WILL become a human. Her body is turning that egg into a human being cell by cell, And we are destroying it because we decided she isnt ready to handle the said baby. So because the mother can't take care of the baby or doesnt want the baby, We destroy its chance of a future being.

Con

They are not a human, Period. Just because they will become a human does not mean we should treat them as a human. The eggs are only nonfertile because we have taken them from the chicken, Stopping their growth. They would become a chick if they stayed with the chicken. (Source : https://indianapublicmedia. Org/amomentofscience/eat-egg-eating-baby-chick/)
Just because what is in it will become alive in the future does not mean it is alive. It is any other egg. Any other egg is fertile. If you eat an egg, A chicken could have theoretically grown from that egg.

However, They are not a chicken. They are a lifeless inanimate object. Just because they will become something else does not mean that they are something else. An egg is not a chicken. If left unaltered, They will become a human. But they are not a human. They are an egg, That cannot think, Does not care, Is not a person, Can not feel pain, And is not sentient. You are not denying someone the chance to live. "Someone" means a person. They are not a person. They are not alive.

Female humans will ovulate approximately 300-400 eggs during their lifetime. Every time one of these eggs is not fertilized, A person will not grow from it. Should a female human be required to have 300-400 children, So none of these eggs is denied the chance to live? They will be future beings. But they are not beings. No one is being hurt. No person, No living thing is being hurt.

If they could think, Then they would probably want to live. Having an abortion would take their wanted life from them. However, THEY CAN NOT THINK. If they could care about being alive, Taking their life would be murder. However, THEY DO NOT CARE. If they could feel pain, You would be hurting them, And that would be unethical. However, THEY FEEL NO PAIN. If they were a person, A human being, Abortions would be murder. However, THEY ARE NOT A HUMAN BEING. When they are a human being, An abortion is murder. When they are not a human being, They cannot be murdered, Because they are NOT ALIVE.

I may become the US president in the future. However, I am not the president. I do not deserve the rights that a president has.
They may become a human being in the future. However, They are not a human being. They do not deserve the rights that a living being has, Because they are not alive, And they are not a being. The moment they become alive, And are able to feel pain, (third stage of pregnancy) abortions are not offered. Abortions are not offered to living beings. Abortions are offered to inanimate eggs, That have no traits of life. Just because they are a future human being does not mean they are a present human being.
Debate Round No. 2
Retrobobobo

Pro

You have changed my mind thank you, I realize now that we are not taking lives away any more than a period occurs. Thank you, However i still have one thing that i want to change. The latest in very few, But rare cases that you can get an abortion is 24 weeks. By that point the baby can think and has even decided which hand it prefers to use, AND premature children born at 24 weeks, Usually 40-50% of them survive. ( https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Fetal_viability )

I see now that abortion is not murder in MOST cases, And it has no affect since they are not lives. But i think that the time period of which a woman is allowed to have an abortion should decrease, As 24 weeks is far along. 24 weeks is long enough for the baby to survive and still thrive (some of the time)

Most states will NOT do past 10 weeks, But some will and i believe that some should be illegal unless extreme cases where the baby is gaurunteed to have certain issues that would justify an abortion.
"Of the 96 abortions carried out beyond 20 weeks, 53 were due to actual or probable fetal abnormality. "
https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy
^ also meaning that around 43 abortions beyond week 20 were NOT probable fetal abnormality.

sorry if what im saying is incorrect, I don't know much about this subject personally and only had my opinion and google to go on. . . Thank you for changing my mind on this subject.

Con

Yeah, Past like 20 weeks it should be illegal, But before that, There is no life or person, So there is not problem.
Debate Round No. 3
Retrobobobo

Pro

Retrobobobo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Retrobobobo

Pro

Retrobobobo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
ConservativeHaven
Also lol Retrobobobo check out your opponent's political ideologies before giving up so easily. Communists often are in favor of abortion. . . And just killing in general
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
ConservativeHaven
So. . . Pro has obviously not done much research and I agree that the argument was failed by the first sentence- just in that Retrobobobo said "most cases. " Either abortion is ok or it's murder; there isn't a settled middle ground. It's unfortunate that she gave up her pro-life stance so quickly. Grobbit says about twenty weeks is a good time for abortions to be illegal, So I then ask what about 19 weeks 6 days 23 hours 59 minutes. . ? Is it a person then? What happens in the one minute that turns the "fetus" into a human being? Any time other than conception turns Grobbit's argument into a slippery slope. Babies in the womb have a right to life just as much as any of us. I just wish people could see what they're doing.
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
missmedic
Your argument fails in the first sentence "I believe that abortion is wrong in most cases. "
So who get to decide, You, The women, Her doctor, Law enforcement. When you make abortion illegal you give up the control. Also making abortion illegal does not reduce abortion. Do some research.
Women"s lives, Health, And basic human rights depend on the availability of abortion, And those are the only factors necessary to justify abortion.
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
Nihlism
Wow, Somebody got convinced of something on the internet! Rare occurrence!
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
John_C_1812_II
Why are all woman asked to make a self-incriminating admission of guilt as a United State by other woman?
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
John_C_1812_II
Tagme1957
An admission of guilt to a crime made public can be criminal fraud, If not the crime that has been admitted openly to as well. Pregnancy Abortion by definition does not accurately describe the process to which a woman insures a natural cycle to continue. Female Specific Amputation is a description, An accurate witness account by example to address privacy by using general knowledge as a united state in the public view. Pregnancy abortion only takes place by definition during the process of In vitro Fertilization. This is science process that does not call, Describe, Or publicly witness this process as pregnancy abortion by choice, While by definition is in fact a pregnancy abortion. A scientific medical process to which a woman, Or man is medically licensed, Or by payment along with test achieve a private license in the form of degree allowing them to be perform. It should be known that the process of pregnancy is also started by human egg, And human sperm that are donated and are not part of a natural process.
The problem is abortion in relationship to pregnancy has always been unconstitutional it has two results made by the admission of guilt to the public that contradict each other. The point of debate has always been directed against the United States Constitution not the basic principle which describe abortion in a context as illegal.
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
Tagme1957
I think abortion is nobody's business but the woman's and the Dr. It should not be a debate and should not be spoken about openly it's totally up to a woman and her doctor and nobody else's opinion matters it just never seems to amaze me how Americans think that their opinion is so important they will stand up and literally interject their morals or loss of them and tell everybody else had a live and you can't do that it's America learn what America is about you were born and raised here weren't you? Freedom of speech and freedom of expression to be who we are and do what we want is the most important thing in life and when we lose those like we are today then you become a third world country with a totalitarian governments and what you can do be respectful of other people there's a time to speak up and a time to shut up abortion does not concern you if you do not have a vagina.
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