Abortion, after the first trimester, is murder
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| Voting Style: | Open with Elo Restrictions | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 3/11/2018 | Category: | Politics | ||
| Updated: | 2 years ago | Status: | Debating Period | ||
| Viewed: | 813 times | Debate No: | 110525 | ||
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 Pro It is my position that abortion, after the first trimester, is murder. My argument isn't a legal argument, but rather a moral argument. So arguing that it isn't legally considered murder is not a valid argument. Rules: 1. First round is for acceptance, as well as providing additional definitions if so desired. Clarifications may be provided in R1 as well, or in the comments. 2. No new evidence may be provided in round four (except for Pro's rebuttal of Con's last argument in round 3.) Otherwise, round four is for summarizing, and restating the points of the debate. 3. Pro must affirm that abortion after the first trimester is murder. Con must affirm that abortion after the first trimester does not meet the definition of murder. 4. No semantic arguments. 5. DDO rules apply. Definitions: It is important that we set definitions. I have listed two definitions below. If Con disagrees with these definitions, and wishes to provide their own definitions, they may do so within reason. However, their providing of definitions will not replace my given definitions, unless proven unfair, or misleading. Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. [1] Human: Relating to or characteristic of humankind.[2] However, as stated previously, I do not believe that legality makes something morally ok. Therefore, I would like to alter the definition of murder to: "The immoral premeditated killing of one human being by another." Thanks to my opponent for accepting the debate. Sources: [1] - https://en.oxforddictionaries.com... [2] - https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...  Con Before I do so, I"d like to thank my opponent for inviting this debate. As this is my first debate on here, I apologise in advance if there is some standard format I should be following that I am unaware of. As I see it, there are two elements to my opponent"s position (based on how he (I assume he, do correct me if I"m wrong) has defined murder). These are that the foetus should count as a human, and that terminating it would be an immoral act. I intend to use this first round to really flesh out what my opponent means when he talks of abortion after the first trimester being immoral. As I see it, there are three key questions he needs to answer to clarify his stance. 1.What are the morally relevant qualities of humans that make it immoral to kill them? (This may seem obvious but there are different paths one might take here) 2.Does a foetus possess these same qualities? 3.What happens at the first trimester that transforms the foetus from something it is acceptable to terminate into something that it is morally unacceptable to terminate? I accept your revised definition of murder for the debate, although the definition of human will need some adding to it to clarify exactly what it is that sets a human apart from other creatures in terms of our moral obligations to it. While I won"t try and give my actual points in this round, (as I don"t yet know your full stance and I don"t want to take a scatter gun approach to this), I would like to check we agree that the burden of proof should be on the side claiming something is immoral. For example, it is reasonable if someone says "action x is wrong" to ask for reasons before we agree. We wouldn't just assume all actions are wrong until they are proved to be morally correct. This isn't a point against you by any means, just one to clarify we"re on the same page. |
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Abortion isn"t murder. Pregnancy abortion is the "consent to confession a person makes" made by that person describing a murder to be, or that has been. The confession is then being applied to all men, woman, and children. A prediction is being set in motion to an event we know nothing of, the debate is for truth. The legal contest is to see if the self-incrimination can be removed from pregnancy abortion as finding to see if the action is deliberate lie, or not. Do we need to give all woman permission to official stop life? If so why? Do we need to include all woman in a crime? If so then why? The argument in the confession is saying no not all woman are included. Yet the wording abortion is still insisting that all woman are included.
The self-incrimination is sharing presumption of guilt on all woman, then herding them together like animals using crime. It affects others as well and not only woman. It is unclear if this was a process started by woman, men, or both but a large group of woman are now defending the idea and its use publicly. Anyway the constitutional removal of self-incrimination to all woman comes in the way of word description to presume innocence Female Specific Amputation.
"Immoral" is still preferable to "murder" in this context, but I'd overlook it as a judge.
P1. Abortion is lawful.
P2. Murder is unlawful
C . Therefor, abortion is not murder.
passwordstipulationssuck- I agree with your position, but I am specifically looking to debate someone who believes that abortion in the second or third trimester is not murder. So yes, pro-choice in particular.
So yes, we can justify the limited self-defense. Again the obstacle built by the devastation and destruction of life lost to a presumption of guilt is Female Specific Amputation.