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mbam221
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Abortion cannot be allowed to turn into murder

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Started: 2/13/2019 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Red_Fox

Pro

===Debate Intro ===
With the passing of NY State's 2019 abortion bill, It is necessary that pro-choice advocates disambiguate themselves from pro-abortion advocates. I would like to debate with an individual who endorses late-term abortion in general (or this NY bill in specific). I will then attempt to draw a clear philosophical line between abortion of a fetus and the murder of a child.

The New York Times quotes the new NY law with the following: "The new law permits abortion after the 24th week of a pregnancy [if] there is 'an absence of fetal viability, Or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health. ' "

According to US Legal's website, "Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by various methods, Including medical surgery. "

=== Housekeeping ===
Round 1 expectations: beyond acceptance I request that you provide some bona fides in the form of a number of weeks. Please tell me your opinion/ conclusion/ feelings/ morality on the point when abortions should no longer be allowed (after how many weeks of gestation). If you are unwilling to provide this figure, Please post a comment explaining your declination instead of accepting the debate. Please also feel free to respond to the NY Times description and US Legal definition if you feel they are inadequate or inaccurate.

Please, Do not accept this debate if you are pro-life. I do not want to debate the morality of abortion writ large. I want to debate the validity of applying "choice" arguments to late-term abortions.

I prefer many short rounds in lieu of few long-winded rounds, Because it allows the opponents to engage more intimately.
mbam221

Con

Abortion is murder. Life begins at conception and the only reason a mother should get an abortion is to save her life. According to https://www. Abortionfacts. Com/facts/8 only 1% of abortions are doing it to save a mothers life. To combat this abortion must be treated as murder and punished as such.
Debate Round No. 1
Red_Fox

Pro

Pro-life people were specifically disinvited to this debate, Yet here you are.

Which is your explanations for entering the debate despite this restriction:
- 1 - You can't read
- 2 - You have no respect for debate parameters
- 3 - You think your opinions on abortion trump courtesy
- 4 - other
mbam221

Con

i guess i misunderstood the question a-hole
Debate Round No. 2
Red_Fox

Pro

Got it. Good luck in future debates.
mbam221

Con

mbam221 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
mbam221

Con

mbam221 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
mbam221

Con

mbam221 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by John_C_1812_II 3 years ago
John_C_1812_II
Pregnancy Abortion has always been the admission confession of murder. All that has ever changed is that it is no longer admitted or confessed to exclusively a religious GOD.
Posted by John_C_1812_II 3 years ago
John_C_1812_II
The truth behind the legislation is it is not only woman who have pregnancy abortion. Pregnancy abortion is not limited to only to a woman"s body by truth, And has not been for decades. In research human eggs are fertilized and the pregnancy is aborted while human reproduction is still allowed to still take place. This is where religion has failed as it did not address the union made by a possible mixed couple, Or single parent. The person or people who place the sperm and egg in contact to lengthen the life already started.

An unconstitutional process takes place as the egg and sperm of donors who have never met are used to lengthen the process of human reproduction, Or at the least the beginning stage, Or stages. The idea of legislation is that by passing law which describes the official end of life, Then allows the self-incrimination to be shared with all woman, As admission accusation it would provide the same legal protection a couple as man and woman would. All this done without notification of the donors signed. Informing them of the consent they make as part of the process, The acknowledgement is to set as truth the couple knows a child will be created, And also knows that child will be sacrificed.

Oh! By the way. The fetus is human. As to this date there has been no human woman and human man who have contented to each other to copulate, And have produced anything but a human baby. Where you medical explanations sound reasonable as truth it is still a lie.
Posted by Mr_Popper 3 years ago
Mr_Popper
@billsands Not only is that an incredibly primitive and imprecise way to determine a fetus' humanity, But babies can begin somewhat breathing as early as 15 weeks old. It is often irregular and hard to do, But it's required so that the baby can exercise the muscles in it lungs and get used to it.
Posted by billsands 3 years ago
billsands
According to the bible life begins when you take your first breath a fetus is not human and abortion is not murder
Posted by screenjack 3 years ago
screenjack
You are pro late term abortions by NY state law definition? Or you are pro abortion but not to the extent that NY is? I am pro-life but I would agree to the terms of your argument based on the fact that abortion isn't being based on the mothers life but her health. That is including her mental health. Since every woman who experiences child birth could theoretically have changes to their mental health it's a loophole law in my opinion.
Posted by John_C_1812_II 3 years ago
John_C_1812_II
The idea of writing law to insure an admission/ confession of guilt as legal kind of misses the mark of a cost and self-value of litigation. Then again the conflict is the process of official stop order is licensed by New York anyway.
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