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Started: 6/18/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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I am going to be arguing that abortion is wrong. Round 1 will be definitions and outline of argument.

Abortion: the intentional ending of a pregnancy

I will be arguing that:
1. Abortion is in violation of human rights, and goes against the original hippocratic oath.
2. Doctors aren't always right about the physical condition and life expectancy of a baby before birth
3. The medical community is pressuring women to have abortions if there is any complications


I accept your challenge, and will use the following arguments(including, but not limited to),
1) Prohibition of a choice is taking our ability to make our own decisions away.
2) Accidental childbirth can result in having to give up personal goals.
3) Abortion is not the murder of a person, as the fetus is not developed enough to feel the pain
Debate Round No. 1


Abortion is in violation of human rights. Whether you believe the baby / fetus is a person or not, it is still a human.

It is violation of a number of articles in the Declaration of Human Rights.
These are:
Article 1:
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

You cannot be born free if you are dead before you are born.

Article 3:
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

All of which are withdrawn from an aborted fetus.

Article 5:
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Self explanatory.

Article 6:
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

In your outline you said "Abortion is not the murder of a person, as the fetus is not developed enough to feel the pain." As a human, even a very small one, they have the right to recognition as a person.

I'd also like to bring up the Hippocratic Oath. Since the original oath many changes have been made, with many doctor's swearing different oaths.

A section from the Hippocratic Oath reads:
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.

In ancient Greek times people understood that it wasn't appropriate to give an abortive remedy (ie. perform an abortion) to a woman. The word "Similarly" is used. This suggests that the killing of a baby is equal to helping kill themselves.


Time and time again, a fetus has been ruled, in both American and Canadian trials, not a legal citizen. Technically, if we were speaking about it's rights, it would technically be an illegal citizen, since it has no papers under file. The Supreme Court decided in 1973 that the unborn fetus had no constitutional rights until the third trimester (24-28 weeks), as it is incapable of functioning independently from the mother until that time. Right-to-Lifers claim that because the fetus will develop into a human being, it demands the same paternalistic protection that is extended to animals, children and others subject to exploitation and maltreatment. The fetus must be accorded the same constitutional rights as its mother.

Here's the thing though, it hasn't been born freely, so it does not have equal rights. If it cannot speak, cannot feel, we are doing nothing wrong. Unless, of course, the abortion happens after the 3rd trimester, which never happens.

Here's a scenerio where Pro-Life screws a good person over. Although used often, it fits perfectly.
Betty is No. 1 in her whole school. One day, she is walking home from school. She is attacked a brutally raped. Betty finds out later that she is pregnent. If she had a choice, she wouldn't have to go through the pain and suffering of a pregnency, and possible caring after a child. Her life suffers in the pro-life option. Her rank drops due to bullying, having to take time off of school for the birth, and later caring for the child. She could put it up for adoption, but she has gone through so much pain for this baby she didn't even really want, so to just give it up is not an option to her. But even if she did, she's already dropped her grades, she can no longer play sports because she blimped up during the pregnency, and kids tease her. But since she didn't, she can no longer go to college and, as awful as it may seem, many people find having a child as a turn off. So now she is a single mother who is about to be fired from her job at Mcdonalds because she has to bring the baby with, and it cries. All of this could have ended with the choice to cause an abortion to something that wasn't even supposed to exist and, unlike Betty, will not feel the pain of all of it ending. Fast forward 5 years, Betty has died from suicide, since her life was turned around so badly. The kid now jumps from foster home to foster home. With a father either in hiding, or locked up, or dead. And a mother who has commited suicide by this kid indirectly.

Now the kid has a crappy life, and the mother HAD a crappy life. All because it's 'inhumane' to abort a fetus before it even has a conscience.

That quote refers to abortion as a deadly drug, but it's not close. It stops the baby from developing, and is not the murder of a human.. Also, no matter what you believe in, the baby will be in a better place.

Also, when dictionaries define 'abortion', they say that it is the termination, or destruction of a fetus. Never death. This is because it's not a death, but in fact is just stopping the birth.

In the ancient Greek times, abortions were not as safe as they are today. Quite actually, the killing of the baby was practically killing themselves back them. That leaves me to believe the analogy means it is actually helping them kill themselves.
Debate Round No. 2


The hypothetical with Betty is an interesting one. 1 in 10 women every year claim to have been raped. Only about 5% of raped women actually become pregnant. In the case of abortion, should we be talking about the extremes or would it be better to talk about the real women who are really aborting their babies on the basis of it being inconvenient. Not that they had this forced upon them, but that they could have prevented the pregnancy before it happened.

I looked at two different answers to why women have abortions.
The first one was simpler, with less specific categories.
93% -Personal Choice or Inconvenience
4% -Mother's Health
2.5% -Baby's Health
0.5% Rape or Incest

The second one had more categories, but showed similar results.
27% -Not Ready / Poor Timing
25% -Can't Afford a Baby
20% -Finished with Childbearing
9% -Relationship Issues
8% -Lack of Maturity
4% -School or Career Concerns
4% -Fetal Health Concerns
3% -Parental Health Concerns
0.1% -Rape

As it turns out the fetus can feel pain quite early on. At 3 weeks, the fetus nervous system is virtually complete. So it can feel pain. Ultrasounds from during abortions sometimes show babies screaming from inside the womb.

Doctors can't always tell the physical conditional of a baby before it's born. There was a baby who the doctors said that would be born without a brain. The parents went through with the pregnancy and the child lived for 4 years. But it wasn't 4 years instead of 70, it was 4 years instead of none. Another person I know, the baby's lungs weren't developing properly. The doctors said that the baby would be sickly. Be is alive, and just like any other baby. What I mean by this is that the doctors can't tell the future, they can give a good guess, but they aren't always right. Another person I know has had 3 or 4 abortions, because she was told that it could kill her. After that she later had a child. Both she and her child are fine.


IncognitoTurtle forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


SomeoneWhoIsAlive forfeited this round.


IncognitoTurtle forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
4 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 4 records.
Posted by Burncastle 7 years ago
The lack of sources is killing me, especially on Con's side.
Posted by DeletedUser 7 years ago
Someone's life is not some choice. A innocent human life is the most precious thing and i don't see what kind of evil, phycopathic women would want to destroy that-especially the life of her own child. Your goal and career is not worth someone's life. Suck it up and have the kid. Your mistake (unprotected sex) your the one whose gonna pay for it-not the innocent baby.
Posted by Geogeer 7 years ago
Let's hope it is a good one.
Posted by Malacoda 7 years ago
Man, I really like that tiny turtle.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeited more and wasn't able to uphold BOP.

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