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Ara_Gyonjyan
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Abortion

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Started: 12/4/2018 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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sgn123

Pro

I believe that abortion is an important right for women. Yes, Some people believe it is a violation of the child's life, And it is murder, But understand this please: This child, It has no name. No Identity. It is not a citizen, Not, Really a person (yet). So this fetus doesn't really have any rights. On the other hand, The mother does. There is something growing in her body that she doesn't want; it could be the product of a rape, Or the fault of faulty contraceptives. The mother could die or be injured during the birth. In fact, It could be argued that government prevention of abortion is in violation of the founding father's ultimate goal for the US's government; A government that does not control every aspect of the citizen's life. The Scientific American reports that babies essentially begin to think in the 24-28th week: 2/3+ of the way to birth. Thus, Until the baby begins to think for itself, It is not alive; it has no rights; the mother does. We allow people to chose whether or not they want medical treatment once they are an adult; one could argue that abortion is simply an elective and voluntary medical treatment. Moreover, If legal abortions are made illegitimate, It could very well increase backalley abortions, Causing deaths of ALIVE humans that are ACTUAL CITIZENS. Now some may say that the moment a baby is concieved, It is a human; however, While it is in the womb, It is still a part of the mother. If a woman could have need to remover her gall bladder, She is allowed to do whatever she wants. It is an ALIVE part IN HER BODY. The same goes with the baby. It is not truly human until it is outside the womb. It is a part of her until it is born. The thing is, In the end, Blocking off abortion is infringing on the rights of a CURRENT CITIZEN for the rights of a possible FUTURE CITIZEN. The fetus cannot be discriminated against; it isnt truly alive. The possible life of a baby is not worth more than the basic right of a pregnant woman to dictate what happens IN HER OWN BODY. The baby is only human when it isn't dependent on another person to literally only stay alive. No that's not the same as a child; aa child requires FINANCIAL support; theoretically, It can survive without the support; a fetus cannot; it is literally on organic LIFE SUPPORT.

Disclaimer; nothing here is meant in an insultive fashion.

Scientific American Link: https://www. Scientificamerican. Com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/
Ara_Gyonjyan

Con

sgn123, You argue a fetus is not a human being, Which means that the fetus has no right to live whatsoever if the mother decides to have an abortion. You are simply mistaken though. The fetus IS a human being.

According to Ph. D. Dianne N. Irving,

"This new single-cell human being immediately produces specifically human proteins and enzymes (not carrot or frog enzymes and proteins), And genetically directs his/her own growth and development. (In fact, This genetic growth and development has been proven not to be directed by the mother. ) Finally, This new human being"the single-cell human zygote"is biologically an individual, A living organism"an individual member of the human species. Quoting Larsen:

". . . [W]e begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, Which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. "13 (Emphasis added. )

In sum, A mature human sperm and a mature human oocyte are products of gametogenesis" each has only 23 chromosomes. They each have only half of the required number of chromosomes for a human being. They cannot singly develop further into human beings. They produce only "gamete" proteins and enzymes. They do not direct their own growth and development. And they are not individuals, I. E. , Members of the human species. They are only parts, Each one a part of a human being. On the other hand, A human being is the immediate product of fertilization. As such he/she is a single-cell embryonic zygote, An organism with 46 chromosomes, The number required of a member of the human species. This human being immediately produces specifically human proteins and enzymes, Directs his/her own further growth and development as a human, And is a new, Genetically unique, Newly existing, Live human individual. "

It is scientific fact that a fetus right at conception is indeed a human being. Though the fetus is INSIDE the mother, The fetus is not a PART of the mother. A part of "your body" does not have sperate blood and DNA I guarantee you. Therefore, The abortion procedure is technically the murder of the most innocent human beings among us. Unless the mother or fetus are faced with certain death, Abortion is inexcusable. Murder should not be a "right" for women in any case at all. Abortion is morally wrong.

Cited article: Irving, Dianne N. "When Do Human Beings Begin? " Princeton University, The Trustees of Princeton University, 1999, Www. Princeton. Edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb. Html.

If you make the claim that a fetus is not a human being again, You better use a trustworthy source.
Debate Round No. 1
sgn123

Pro

sgn123 forfeited this round.
Ara_Gyonjyan

Con

We all know what an abortion is. It's the killing of an innocent human being. Since you have not presented any scientific evidence to disprove the fact that a fetus is a human being at conception, I can now ask a few questions.

Is the life of a human being less important than a mother's goals, Job, Reputation, Or comfort?

Is the killing of a human being justified to slow overpopulation? If so, Why don't we kill newborn babies?

Should a severely injured/ old human be killed because his/her family members don't want to keep paying for life support? If so, Why is it ok to kill other human beings, Such as fetuses because the parent(s) don't want to go through the very expensive process of raising a child?

Is the killing of a human being justified if they're in a coma or unconscious, But will wake up? If so, Why is it okay to kill other human beings, Such as fetuses because they are unconscious?

Is the life of an innocent human being less important than your body? If so, Is it ok to kill an innocent human being, (in this case a fetus) for the sake of the mother's comfort?

I hope you can answer these questions. If you answered yes to any of these questions, This means you are either ok with murder or, You believe that a fetus is not a human being. If you answered yes to any of the questions because you are okay with murder, (which I think is highly unlikely, ) then I suggest you forfeit the next round as well. If you answered yes to any of the questions because you believe the fetus is not a human being, Then please, Using scientific evidence from a trustworthy source, Disprove that a fetus is a human being.

If you answered no to all of the questions, Then you have just lost the argument, In my view.
Debate Round No. 2
sgn123

Pro

sgn123 forfeited this round.
Ara_Gyonjyan

Con

Ara_Gyonjyan forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by logicae 3 years ago
logicae
@missmedic

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Would you agree that human life is more important than anything else? Or in other words, That every human has the right to life? What is more important than someone's life?

Hope you can answer these,

best regards, To truth! -logicae
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
Human or not, American society makes abortion the better option.
Posted by logicae 3 years ago
logicae
I commend con's research, As I find these types of debates insightful. Also praises to pro for a great number of arguments, I just ask both sides to consider the fundamental question (con seems to have caught on): Is an unborn baby a human? Because if that is a human, Than abortion is the killing of a human. Plain and simple.

hope this makes the debate clear!

To truth! -logicae
Posted by mall 3 years ago
mall
The arguments to support abortion are really shallow.
Posted by logicae 3 years ago
logicae
Pro,

Nice to see that you care about the issue at hand, But I want to ask a few fundamental questions:

1. Does sentience determine person hood, If so then should we be able to kill a coma patient due to be freed of a coma in 9 months and should we be convicted of murder for killing sentient rats?
2. Does stage of life determine when a human can be killed, If so than when does this stage start and why?
3. Does helplessness determine whether a human should be killed or not? If so than can we kill helpless born babies?
4. If something is murder, Can we justify it because of financial concerns, Privacy, Or for convenience?
5. Is an unborn baby a unit independent of the mother's body (besides relying on the mother for sustenance), With its own dna?

I hope you get to these, Because these are very important to this debate

Sincerely,

-logicae
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