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Abundant foods should be free

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Started: 7/8/2019 Category: Society
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vi_spex

Pro

Prices on abundant foods=infinite sleep=purposeful air pollution=extinction of man

Abundant food=enough for everyone

Farmers should be paid directly, With tax money, Which is cheaper for everyone.

People aren't dying in the streets of starvation, Their food is therefore already being paid for, Since food costs money, So its just a money shift.

Putting prices on abundant foods is equal to polluting the atmosphere, In order to sell fresh air to the highest bidders, Or selfishness.

Our need for food is absolute, We can't change our need for food, So the statement you need money to get food, Might as well be destroy the world, Just get money, Its without brain and without heart, And makes peoples brains ingrown racist tumors thinking about nothing but winners and losers, All the while that mentality is killing everyone and everything on this planet, Cuz we are necessarily blinded by money, With prices on abundant foods.

With prices on abundant food at the malls, Our mall owners, Inherits the promiss, That legally owned, Fresh air containers, And desert gas masks, Will be unaffected by acid rain, By the year 2400. On further notice, You will die from acid rain, Without further protection.

How does it make sense to put people in spacesuits, Only to suffacate them if they can't pay for fresh air, When there is still plenty of fresh air for everyone.
anc2006

Con

I accept!

"Farmers should be paid directly, With tax money, Which is cheaper for everyone. "

Consider how many farmers are in the US alone, Most people, Especially office clerks, Would suffer more then they should.
"https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Agriculture_in_the_United_States"
There are 3. 2 million farmers in the US alone, And what tax is is going to pay?

First, If most food are free, Then that means the fastfood companies and restaurants are barely getting any money, Consider most food are free. Also gold food are free in the same scale if this is what you are talking about, Which is free since anything finite times 0 is also 0. Too many gold and silver food order would also break the mining companies.

Let's say gold things still cost money, And still count how many people employ at fastfood companies
"https://www. Statista. Com/statistics/196630/number-of-employees-in-us-fast-food-restaurants-since-2002/"
3. 8 million.

7 million people, Earning only with taxes by other people and barely any with actual earning? This can't be real. With this happening both farmers and restaurants, And office workers that gets most of taxes done, Would increase in unemployment rate with the latter having the highest of the 2 groups.

"Putting prices on abundant foods is equal to polluting the atmosphere, In order to sell fresh air to the highest bidders, Or selfishness. "

Making all the food free is a bad choice too, Consider at least 3 of the jobs will quit in a rate. If you don't want humanity to collapse, Then put the price lower instead of making them FREE.

"With prices on abundant food at the malls, Our mall owners, Inherits the promiss, That legally owned, Fresh air containers, And desert gas masks, Will be unaffected by acid rain, By the year 2400. On further notice, You will die from acid rain, Without further protection. "

the food will only be free if we live in candyland. The reason air is free is because the nature generates it. With trees and plants and such else. Do you see food automatically generates everyday? Do you see cooked salmon generate itself every hour? Do you see apple trees grow with no care? NO. You need to care for them. Even a lowering of price will cause the farmers to rage. Paying them with anything else would make other jobs quit too. JUST KEEP THEM WHERE THEY ARE. THE PRICES HAVE THEIR REASONS TO EXIST. Complain about food too expensive? Great don't eat for 48 hours. Your body can support it.

"How does it make sense to put people in spacesuits, Only to suffacate them if they can't pay for fresh air, When there is still plenty of fresh air for everyone. "

There are enough air to transport from earth to space. But there aren't food that auto-generates and can be transported freely and doesn't rot. We only "pay" for air when the air is polluted, Just like we pay for food knowing food doesn't autogenerates on its own.

Unless scientists found a way to autogenerate food on their own, There is still problems: how to make all food automatic? Cause clearly no one wants to eat the same thing everyday.

"All the while that mentality is killing everyone and everything on this planet, Cuz we are necessarily blinded by money, With prices on abundant foods. "

If food is free, Then it won't be abundant. Then people would be crazy about food rather than money since you can take it freely. And in such society money is useless since food would take their spot.
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

The money is not an issue, We already pay for food.

Abundant foods would be free for a resturant's to, And they already have to pay for food on top of what they already earn, There is no difference, The food is not their work, Their work they should be getting paid for, Which is making the dishes and serving and all that stuff. .

Why would nobody actually earn anything? You didnt think this through at all, Of course it will work, Its just a money shift, Instead of paying for abundant food at the supermarked, You pay farmers with tax money, People aren't dying in the streets of starvation, Their food is therfore already being paid for, So the money is there.

Im talking about food there is enough of for everyone, Or cheap foods, Since this system runs on money.

Nobody should make money on food, It is not theirs, Like the air is not theirs.

Im not saying we shouldnt pay farmers, Im talking about ABUNDANT food being free to grab at the mall, And its balanced, If people take to money it will automatically becomes scarce and cost money again, Like it is now, This is how it should be.

"There are enough air to transport from earth to space. But there aren't food that auto-generates and can be transported freely and doesn't rot. We only "pay" for air when the air is polluted, Just like we pay for food knowing food doesn't autogenerates on its own. "
Im talking about putting people on earth in space suits, Im not talking about them being in space, And this is what we got now, A system of moral selfishness, Cuz what happens if you don't have money for food?
This shiit is choking the life out of the planet and us along with it
anc2006

Con

Vi-spex,

"Im not saying we shouldnt pay farmers, Im talking about ABUNDANT food being free to grab at the mall, "
Another quote is:
"And this is what we got now, A system of moral selfishness, "

HaHHAHAHAHA. Totally unrealistic, If food is already free at the mall then everybody is going to be more selfish by grabbing more than they should. And so that is how poor and rich people are spoiled. Also, If everybody is grabbing as much as they want as long as it is free, Then it will be not abundant consider the rate of it being taken is so fast it could be at one point the necessary production of food isn't enough for the people WHO ARE ALREADY ADJUSTED TO THIS BASIS. Eventually food will run out, And people will be more desperate because the next time they see it it will be the price of gold consider "food" ran out on the planet earth.

Y'now what? Why not put a curriculum about managing money and not waste food to the people instead of making the food free?

"Nobody should make money on food, It is not theirs, Like the air is not theirs"

Food is technically theirs. They didn't observe it and let is grow with eyes, It grew with their care and labor. Putting a $0. 00 pricetag on every of them is a disgrace to them.

FOOD DOESN'T GROW ON ITS OWN. IT GROWS WITH OTHERS' CARE. I AM SAYING THIS ONE LAST TIME. K?

"People aren't dying in the streets of starvation, Their food is therfore already being paid for, So the money is there. "

They will. Because food is free and food is one important life basis, The food will be taken too much as it is their desire too. And long enough when you are mere minutes after the mall opened, The food stall'd be closed, Leaving you nothing to eat at brunchtime. I know your body can support as much but long enough everyday will be a black friday, Barbaric humans rushes into the mall and pick whatever they can. Eventually there will be people squeezed to death, And there will be people starved to death arriving just a tad bit late after each refillment. There will be more people dead than what the contemporary society has. And presumably money can still do something, Like a VIP pass. And soon enough you will see everybody getting a VIP pass for food, Which means food actually still costs money, And your plan isn't useful.

"Im talking about putting people on earth in space suits, Im not talking about them being in space"

Lemmy just say that this is a law-enforcement punishment or something on that sort. In fact WHY BOTHER PUT PEOPLE IN SPACESUITS, ON EARTH? And because there will be enough technology, You actually CAN OPEN THE LID, And not stuck eternally. You aren't in a space gunman, Nor a rocketship. You can take it off as long as you feel uncomfortable, Let alone the oxygen can make them support for at least 48 hours, And in 48 hours you can already take it out yourself.

"Abundant foods would be free for a resturant's to, And they already have to pay for food on top of what they already earn, There is no difference, "

What do they earn if the food is already free. TAXES? Well they already submit taxes to the government, So they are actually running low on money. And because of this restaurants will close you know what i am saying? They barely earn anything.

"Instead of paying for abundant food at the supermarked, You pay farmers with tax money, "

I am saying this again because who knows, But this policy will make office clerks extremely overexhausted that makes them quit, And making others more overexhausted, Thus making them all to quit. And because of this the restaurants won't get enough money and they will close too. You get what i'm saying?

Argument done.
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

The system of moral selfishness as it is created selfishness, It makes morality racism.

If they grab to much food then it will go back to being what it is now

Abundant food should be free, Like fresh air should be free, Cuz there is plenty of it.

Im not saying farmers shouldn't be paid. .

Imposing a limit on how much free food one can take might be necessary, I don't think it will be, Not with this world altering necessary change to our societies.

We are already in space suits, And if we run out of money, We will slowly suffocate, You could say the space suit is physically manifesting, By the increase in pollution in our atmosphere day by day, But the truth is fundamentally we already live in spacesuits, And will suffocate without the money for fresh air.

They earn the money the get for the dishes they sell, There is no difference to the resturant example. . They will make the same amount of money cuz they can get food for free at the supermarked, Rather than paying for it and not making any money on it there anyway, Its the same. .
anc2006

Con

My ground here.

Still refutes by the way.

"They earn the money the get for the dishes they sell, There is no difference to the resturant example. . They will make the same amount of money cuz they can get food for free at the supermarked, Rather than paying for it and not making any money on it there anyway, Its the same. . "

Nah. Look, If they just use the price the supermarket gives, That would give them no benefit consider force is put outside and inside the restaurant. Morally, Doing this will cause you to be bankrupt. I get that they can make money out of free stock food from the mall alone, But then---no one will try to do it consider they can make it all alone. And because if food is even free water will of course be free too. So wasting infinite amount of money just to get a meal is. . . I don't get it.

Because the dishes cost money then no one will buy it; they will make it on their own. Thus this makes the restaurant owners become poor. And because of that office clerks will work for taxes t maintain them. And add to this they also have the task to feed the money into the houses of the farmers and ranchers (consider they get no profit) thus make them overexhausted and quit their jobs. And because of that farmers and restaurant owners will quit thus making us NOTHING TO EAT EVENTUALLY. And plus if the nation wants to bring them back they need national budget, And this makes the economy COLLAPSE consider people are used to freeloading thus making the farmers overexhaust too. And to make them produce more money will be put onto it which makes the economy COLLAPSE QUICKER. And over all of this, I prefer the normal government where food actually cost money, And the unemployment rate stays low.

"Abundant food should be free, Like fresh air should be free, Cuz there is plenty of it. "

Although food grow on trees, It doesn't automatically. If food is automatic then we don't even need farmers nor agriculture in general. We need to take care of it. We don't pay for air because we can just wear masks to protect to it, And the world is at least trying to make it better. Food. WHO CAN MAKE FOOD OUT OF NO EFFORT, AND MAKE IT ACTUALLY DELICIOUS? I don't think anyone is working on that.

there are plenty of animals and plants there, But do you eat chicken while they are alive? No. We don't, At least after we are civilized. Because our body needs cooked and worked food that makes the cooking and working EFFORTS, Which should be rewarded with money at some point, And making them with cost is the best way to prevent job-quitting breakout.

"Im not saying farmers shouldn't be paid. . "

yes they should be paid, And the only appropriate way to do that is to give the food a price.

"The system of moral selfishness as it is created selfishness, It makes morality racism. "

Not saying we should be selfish, But selfishness makes our civilization more. . . Civilized. It helps them of development.

"Imposing a limit on how much free food one can take might be necessary, I don't think it will be, Not with this world altering necessary change to our societies. "

assigning people food is good, But eventually it will be chaos consider most people are greedy and they take all of them in one time. And plus i assume we are talking about our world now, And using pure socialism is already outdated since 1991.

"We are already in space suits, And if we run out of money, We will slowly suffocate, You could say the space suit is physically manifesting, By the increase in pollution in our atmosphere day by day, But the truth is fundamentally we already live in spacesuits, And will suffocate without the money for fresh air. "

The fact is that there are a solution against it and there are things to do to prevent it. How to prevent the effort to making food? Well you create a giant goddamn machine, Which makes our spacesuit thicker if this is the way, Which is will be the only way if the food is destined to be free, Consider the thing is you can't underpay them if they've done enough work.

Argument done. Thanks for debating.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by vi_spex 2 days ago
vi_spex
Round 3, Statement 1, Creates*
Posted by vi_spex 2 days ago
vi_spex
You are 14, Shut up debater554
Posted by vi_spex 2 days ago
vi_spex
This can be done. . The money is already there.

The point is you don't have to get your wallet out at the supermarket to bring home abundant foods, You can pick and up and walk right out of the store for free
Posted by anc2006 3 days ago
anc2006
EVen if food is free, We still pay for farmers. . .
Posted by Debater554 3 days ago
Debater554
Well, It won't be cheaper for ANYONE because the government cannot spend money properly, So we'll be taxed heavily just to support a program such as this, We'll be tearing down both the small and big players in the food market, Thus removing diversity from our economy, And the quality of our food will go down substantially. I assume you're referring to things like bread, And I can assure you even that is a rather large and diverse market that you'd be ripping apart.
Posted by vi_spex 3 days ago
vi_spex
By paying farmers directly instead of paying for ABUNDANT foods at the malls
Posted by vi_spex 3 days ago
vi_spex
We are just cutting out the selfish middle men
Posted by vi_spex 3 days ago
vi_spex
This will be cheaper for everyone
Posted by Debater554 5 days ago
Debater554
Are you seriously saying that we need to spend MORE of the government budget on providing a service that the free market and its producers are already making quite well? It sounds to me like wealthier people will be paying more taxes for something as idiotic as this. Just needed to confirm. . .
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