All Propositions Are True
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ElliottR
| Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 4/30/2017 | Category: | Philosophy | ||
| Updated: | 2 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
| Viewed: | 1,110 times | Debate No: | 102307 | ||
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 Pro  Con You may as well say p = "The sky is blue". Isolated from its context, this too would also be invalid and meaningless. The valid statement would be p = "The sky is sometimes blue in the daytime" (i.e it's grey when it's raining, black in the night time etc..) Your very next sentence however, does give the correct context though. i.e Only "some rectangles are squares" So for the proposition to be valid it must become p = "Some rectangles are squares". I'm afraid the rest of your argument falls apart very quickly after this. |
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Pro The word "is" implies the present time. "Larson Geometry" (2012) p. 509, "Geometry" (2012) by Burger, Chard, et al. p. 403, and "Geometry" (2012) by Carter, Cuevas, et al. p. 403 all state the following proposition as a theorem. If a quadrilateral is a parallelogram, then its opposite sides are congruent. The hypothesis of the conditional statement is a proposition with a form similar to "A rectangle is a square." "Larson Geometry" p. 86-87, "Geometry," Burger, et al. p. 81, and "Geometry," Carter, et al. p. 107 use symbolic notation to express conditional statements. This use suggests the hypothesis "A quadrilateral is a parallelogram" is a proposition, which further suggests "A rectangle is a square" is a proposition. "Some rectangles are squares" does not have the same meaning as p does. The former is always true, but the latter is sometimes false. Con Therefore, p is false if and only if a rectangle is not a square. Hence, there is no contradiction. p cannot be both true and false at the same time and under the same conditions. i.e. within the same context. |
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Pro You could argue it's more likely presenting propositions in this manner is wrong than it's likely all propositions are true. While an honorable argument, this prevailing manner of presentation has withstood the test of time and has survived every criticism against it. Con Your primary argument is that p is true and false at the same time and under the same conditions. Your argument relies on a contradiction. Unfortunately, this goes against a fundamental law of existence. Aristotle's Law of Identity. i.e. A is A. This means, existence cannot contain contradictions. No valid or meaningful statement can be made if Ideas, Propositions, Knowledge are looked at in isolation. i.e. taken out of context. In other words, "You can't have your cake and eat it too" |
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Vote Placed by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro proposed a blatant contradiction could be considered truth. It was a weird path of thought that went from some rectangles being squares to saying that all rectangles are squares to affirm a proposition. Pro even recognizes this contradiction and fixes it by essentially saying reality must be wrong about this one, because unless we affirm this proposition we have a contradiction that is also true. Con pointed out that according to the law of identity a thing that exists cannot contain contradictions, and he also pointed out that con needed to adjust his equation to make it correct. The proposition is the central argument in the debate, and con showed that it should be "some rectangles are squares" not "a rectangle is a square" because the latter option is not always a true statement.
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3 points to Con (Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: "Since some rectangles are squares, a rectangle is a square" classic equivocation good meme tho
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You commit the fallacy of equivocation. A particular rectangle, X, is not the same as the set of all possible rectangles. Just because some rectangles are squares, doesn't mean that every rectangle is a square. And , X can only be either square or not square. Can you refer to a square which is not a square? It is only true insofar as it is an absurd conception, affirmed because we can think of it. It may be true that I can think that X is a square and not a square, but this holds no sort of reference or external reality.