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Soviet4life
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LOL98700z
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All of those genders and false

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LOL98700z
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/1/2019 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (5)
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Soviet4life

Pro

All of those genders the fake, There are two genders, Always
LOL98700z

Con

Gender is a problem that needs to be addressed. However, There are indeed other genders.

C1: Gender Definition:
You see, Gender doesn't mean the word sex. If we are going to talk about Male and Female differences and how these people identify themselves, Then, We would talking about the word sex.
According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, The word gender means:
"the behavioral, Cultural, Or psychological traits typically associated with one sex"
While the Google dictionary says:
"the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). "
Thus, There is not only 2 gender. Gender is truly what someone see themselves as. Gender is really the social, Cultural and also behavioral pattern of each person in order to identify them. Owning an organ special to that sex, Does not mean that the person is necessarily that gender as the sex indicts.

C2: Genetic Influence:
Also, If we are going to talk about the physical part of a human body, It is not restricted to two sex alone. There is also something called a Intersex. According to the Wikipedia page of Intersex, Intersex is defined as:
Intersex people are born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, Gonads, Sex hormones, Or genitals that, According to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".
Thus, There is not necessarily only 2 gender or sex. Gender is a much broader terms than that, While the word sex doesn't only indicts female or male.
Debate Round No. 1
Soviet4life

Pro

There used to be two, And there should always be two
LOL98700z

Con

You're simply not getting this. The problem is not about sex. It is about gender. There is no two gender. Also, Your argument about there had always been only sexes is untrue. How would you classify a transgender person? As male, But he/she have female physical characteristic and body parts. Female? He/she have male body parts and characteristic. Despite you have already shown me that you are a very conservative person. I will still try my best to instill this idea in your brain.
Debate Round No. 2
Soviet4life

Pro

ok, Now there are 3 genders, Male, Female, And Transgender, But there is not all those 63 genders,
LOL98700z

Con

In order to counter my opponent's argument, I hereby post a list of the 63 genders that are currently used. Note: Most of them belongs in intersex column in the three sex.

Words to know:
Phys = Physical Aspect,
Pers= Personality Aspect,
Pref = Preference Aspect
M = Male, Having male reproductive organs/genitalia
F = Female, Having female reproductive organs/genitalia
H = Hermaphrodite (Intersexual) having both or neither male and female reproductive organs/genitalia
AS = Asexual / Non-sexual (not shown on this chart)
A = Androgynous, Near-equivalent traits of male and female
AM / Andromale = Physically Androgynous w/ Male Genitalia
AF / Androfemale = Physically Androgynous w/ Female Genitalia
HA / Androdite = Physically Androgynous Hermaphrodite
HM / Hermaphromale = Hermaphrodite with Male features / appearance
HF / Hermaphrofemale = Hermaphrodite with Female features / appearance
Masculine = "Typically" Male, As determined by the surrounding culture
Feminine = "Typically" Female, As determined by the surrounding culture
Androgine = Exhibits Androgynous Behavior (near -equally Male and Female), As determined by the surrounding culture

#PhysPersPrefDescription
1MMM Masculine Homosexual Man
2MMF Masculine Heterosexual Man
3MMA Masculine Bisexual Man
4MFM Feminine Homosexual Man
5MFF Feminine Heterosexual Man
6MFA Feminine Bisexual Man
7MAM Androgine Homosexual Man
8MAF Androgine Heterosexual Man
9MAA Androgine Bisexual Man
10FMM Masculine Heterosexual Woman
11FMF Masculine Homosexual Woman
12FMA Masculine Bisexual Woman
13FFM Feminine Heterosexual Woman
14FFF Feminine Homosexual Woman
15FFA Feminine Bisexual Woman
16FAM Androgine Heterosexual Woman
17FAF Androgine Homosexual Woman
18FAA Androgine Bisexual Woman
19AMMM Masculine Homosexual Andromale
20AFMM Masculine Heterosexual Androfemale
21HAMM Masculine Male-Attracted Androdite
22HMMM Masculine Male-Attracted Hermaphromale
23HFMM Masculine Male-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
24AMMFMasculine Heterosexual Andromale
25AFMFMasculine Homosexual Androfemale
26HAMFMasculine Female-Attracted Androdite
27HMMFMasculine Female-Attracted Hermaphromale
28HFMFMasculine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
29AMMAMasculine Bisexual Andromale
30AFMFMasculine Bisexual Androfemale
31HAMFMasculine Bisexual Androdite
32HMMFMasculine Bisexual Hermaphromale
33HFMFMasculine Bisexual Hermaphrofemale
34AMFMFeminine Homosexual Andromale
35AFFMFeminine Heterosexual Androfemale
36HAFMFeminine Male-Attracted Androdite
37HMFMFeminine Male-Attracted Hermaphromale
38HFFMFeminine Male-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
39AMFFFeminine Heterosexual Andromale
40AFFFFeminine Homosexual Androfemale
41HAFFFeminine Female-Attracted Androdite
42HMFFFeminine Female-Attracted Hermaphromale
43HFFFFeminine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
44AMFAFeminine Bisexual Andromale
45AFFAFeminine Bisexual Androfemale
46HAFAFeminine Bisexual Androdite
47HMFAFeminine Bisexual Hermaphromale
48HFFAFeminine Bisexual Hermaphrofemale
49AMAMAndrogine Homosexual Andromale
50AFAMAndrogine Heterosexual Androfemale
51HAAMAndrogine Male-Attracted Androdite
52HMAMAndrogine Male-Attracted Hermaphromale
53HFAMAndrogine Male-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
54AMAFAndrogine Heterosexual Andromale
55AFAFAndrogine Homosexual Androfemale
56HAAFAndrogine Female-Attracted Androdite
57HMAFAndrogine Female-Attracted Hermaphromale
58HFAFAndrogine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
59AMAAAndrogine Bisexual Andromale
60AFAAAndrogine Bisexual Androfemale
61HAAAAndrogine Bisexual Androdite
62HMAAAndrogine Bisexual Hermaphromale
63HFAAAndrogine Bisexual Hermaphrofemale

Thus, There is indeed 63 genders, Classified by each of their physical, Mental and behavioral pattern.
Debate Round No. 3
Soviet4life

Pro

Soviet4life forfeited this round.
LOL98700z

Con

Yeah he's done. Vote con!
Debate Round No. 4
Soviet4life

Pro

Soviet4life forfeited this round.
LOL98700z

Con

LOL, This is very interesting.
Debate Round No. 5
14 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Chief_Sunboyz 3 years ago
Chief_Sunboyz
holy shjt thats a lot of genders WTF
Posted by LOL98700z 3 years ago
LOL98700z
@Thoht, I guess so. . . . But I am still raking my brain over the religion debate XD. . . . . .
Posted by Thoht 3 years ago
Thoht
In regards to this debate, It looks like Pro has conceded. His original claim was 2 genders now he's swapped to 3. And one we don't even consider as a gender on its own, Lmao.
Posted by Thoht 3 years ago
Thoht
It just seems you are placing a level of emphasis on Chromosomes that you don't actually practice in reality.

Most people who want to be called 'boy' will try to 'pass' as a boy. You don't call them girls because you would never know unless you did a genetic test or they told you.

Have you ever really demanded a genetic test from people that you meet prior to referring to them as 'he' or 'she? ' I'm guessing you haven't. I'm guessing you don't daily question whether or not people actually have male chromosomes or female chromosomes. You value how they behave and how they look when determining whether to address them as 'he' or 'she. ' It is branching off on a tangent to suddenly change that because of chromosomes. What then do you use to refer to intersex people? Females are XX Males are XY Intersex can be a LOT of different combinations. Most people would refer to them as they wish to be referred to.

This sentence makes no sense:

"That doesn't make the person a different type of person, It just makes them out of the ordinary. "

So. . . . A different type of person?
Posted by K_Michael_Tolman 3 years ago
K_Michael_Tolman
No, It doesn't make sense. A male can be described as feminine, In all but sex, But feminine is just a word. A "Tomgirl" may like the things that are usually attributed to those that are male, But that is just based on stereotypes. So someone who acts in a way that is commonly attributed to the opposite sex doesn't have a different gender from those who follow the social norms of their sex. That's like saying that there is a different type of person for who likes baseball, Or football, Or water polo. If the majority of the world doesn't wear more than one hat at a time, That doesn't make the person wearing three hats a different type of person. It just makes them out of the ordinary. The concept of "genders" is flawed in my opinion.
Posted by Thoht 3 years ago
Thoht
@Michael

People aren't denying that they're biologically male or female. This is what the term "sex" means.

People are re-defining "gender. " We have redefined words in the past. In reality, All English words have been made up at one point in time or another. All of them have been redefined. Many of them have multiple definitions. There's no real reason to have two different words for biological sex. We can just say 'sex' and not 'gender' in all those cases. Having the second word for it is not inherently useful.

Bisexual is a term for people who would have sex with their own sex or the opposite sex. Pansexual is the term most people will use if they'd have sex with any sex/gender. So people who call themselves bisexual may not have sex with other people that are of different genders or intersex et cetera.

So most people accept their biological sex, But you can be male and still want to wear dresses, Play with dolls, Have long hair, Wear makeup, And tick every single "feminine" box outside of "sex=female. " It seems silly to call these people 'boys. ' Does that make sense?
Posted by K_Michael_Tolman 3 years ago
K_Michael_Tolman
Gender appears to me to be an incorrect word to describe who you are in the context of the debate. Using vague terms like "the behavioral, Cultural, Or psychological traits typically associated with one sex" doesn't MEAN anything. Sexual orientation is a matter of preference, Just as your behavioral characteristics are in comparison to the long established social norms of Male and Female. If you are "Masculine" in your relationship, That doesn't change your gender. It merely defines your personality. Wanting to defy social norms isn't bad in and of itself, But all of this debate about which gender someone is DOESN'T MATTER. I wasn't citing the Bible against homosexuality, Just listing a historical account to prove that homosexuality isn't new. As far as I'm concerned, Your sexual orientation and behavioral preferences can change, But you're still a MALE or FEMALE. Your interactions with others sexually doesn't change that. Neither does surgery. A person who has had their gallbladder replaced with a completely nonfunctional chicken's gizzard doesn't make them a chicken. Replacing your sexual organs doesn't change what you are.
Posted by LOL98700z 3 years ago
LOL98700z
I do hope this solves your question, However, If you have any further question, Feel free to message me.
Posted by LOL98700z 3 years ago
LOL98700z
Despite the teaching of the church and the bible had condemned against the homosexuality, We are not truly debating about the sexaulity of one person here. However, I will talk about this anyway.

First of all, 1 thing I think you have been mistaken is the meaning of gender. Gender is very different from sex. While sex, Resembles the aspects and understanding of physical and genetic codes of human. Gender takes into account of different options. Despite you might be classified as a male/female by others, Or authorities, It only identifies your sex and physical appearance. However, Nowadays, When current scholars talks about sexuality, They had managed to create a new term, Called gender. Gender, In Merriam Webster dictionary means:
the behavioral, Cultural, Or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
Thus, Giving us another way to talk about sexuality and also person's identification of themselves.

Secondly, I do recount about the act of homosexuality throughout the entire bible. Starting from Sodom, To the Leviticus 18:22, To Roman 1:18-32. Despite these things, We must accustom to the societies today. Despite we may disagree about them, It is offending, And also impolite to tell others that they are sinners due to their love. (Pls keep it to yourself. )
Posted by K_Michael_Tolman 3 years ago
K_Michael_Tolman
If gender is exclusively cultural, Then why is it only now becoming an issue, And not any sooner in the history of humanity? There have been accounts of homosexuality since the city of Sodom in the Book of Genesis, But sexual orientation is different from gender. Gender is absolute and unchanging, But orientation is apparently up for debate.
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Thoht
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