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2far4u2CharlesDarwin
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Masterdebaterseeyoulater
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All places of worship need to fall, as no stone shall be upon another.

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Started: 4/24/2018 Category: Religion
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2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

All religions and beliefs corrupt the foundations of there own place of worship as to become a governing rule. People break away and create there own governing force.

Change the hierarchy of your churches and temples as Nature is not a happy camper or pull them down for the sake of the woman and child. Give the world back to the children ASAP.

The modern worlds hierarchy continue to abuse humanities humane within a reward based religion or a belief. Going to heaven if your good or to hell if your bad or your next life to come back as something really good or as a most vulnerable creature or as anything or nothing or how about a rock and this reasoning somehow justifies everything the wealthy/poor, beautiful/ugly, gay/straight, healthy/sick, smart/dumb, dogs/cats, flees/mosquitoes, snakes/hummingbirds, women/men and this list is endless.
While we try to live up to everybody else's expectations when we should have some realistic expectations of our own to live up to. If you are trying to live up to your own exceptions well that is hard enough, as to try and live up to everybody else's is impossible and it's all supposedly for a rite of passage to have an afterlife. Allah has shone upon you or it's into the seven levels of hell or Buddha's and Hinduism's karma, yin and yang and the balancing act of improbability of the flee and the elephant or our own Nature of our own existence creator's heaven of internal bliss or Satan's hell of internal damnation or it's the scientists quarks or nothing at all that somehow becomes something. There's a whole universe out there to inhabit a place for all. Why do people force a big stick into Natures existence creator's hand or not to have a creator at all?
Well, I say that everyone needs group cognitive behaviour therapy to break down the barriers within the act of communication within an UNBIASED SANDBOX TO COME TO TERMS WITH OUR OWN BIASED MINDSETS.


Put down your stick or your double-edged tongue for your own sake as I continue to consider, considering how this cuts both ways. While I at lest try to explain wisdom's philosophy.

We are now in an age of consequences. Are the 5 permanent members of the united nations ready to consider change upon their governing rule by accepting all nations to become permanent members of the United Nations? Could this be even possible or is it the money and the power that keeps them there, to begin with, while sociopaths hide behind apathies psychopaths pointing nuclear bombs at each other in the game of insanity?

These 5 permanent members of the united nations are at the very top of the scientist's tree of monkeys. The top and upper branches has the respondent sociopaths and the despondent psychopaths that have money and power to burn all because of there freedom too custom design principles upon shifting sands that create unethical corporatism within capitalism, along with the scientists creating something new that we all must have and pay a fee to use, as to get the next grant for funding their laboratory's with blood money made from unethical corporatism within capitalism. The middle branches are B.F. Skinner's rat race propping each other up finding some security in there so called successes. Surrounding themselves with creature comforts along with the upcoming scientists that need not want to invent something new that we all must have and pay a fee to use so that they both can have their names up in lights as to move up the tree. Upon the lower branches are humanities humane and the educated undecided atheist scientists all working together as slaves, yes slaves that have no more then the basic necessities of life and then there are the people on the ground that shift through the pond scum that trickles effectively all the way from the very top and the only thing that varies is the depth.

The only love I see on this tree is humanities humane and the educated undecided atheist scientists all as slaves working together on the lowest branches as not to drown. Saving who they can from being sweep away within tidal surges that continues to trickle down effectively poisoning the roots of the tree that creates an existence within a Skinner box materialist throw-away society.


Abraham's religions Tower of Babel, from what the stories say in all of the books of religion and on the all sites that portray it to be a God that destroyed the tower of Babel in disgust all because it became much like the tree of monkeys without the scientists, as all of the scientists where labelled as witches and warlocks and locked away or executed for acts of heresy.

Abraham was a good guy he was also the first messenger of our own existence creator the one and only Nature is Woman and Man you will see a golden figure of the human form that is a woman than a man then women than men within a cycle of the harmony of your own heartbeat. You have to keep a calm steady heartbeat within or Nature changes to fast and what you see is a blurry image. This was Abrahams nakedness that his own children laughed at him about.
The word Babel was an attempt to break down the barriers of communication to reach our own existence creator who was believed to be in the heavens. Be it that heaven was at the very top of the Tower of Babel. All religions and beliefs of all nations could supposedly communicate with each other within the miracle gift of speaking in tongues. These nations of religion and beliefs where the Shamanism, Animism, Pantheism, Sikhism, Polytheism, Pantheon (gods), and Paganism, Ancient Near Eastern religion, Egyptian mythology, Ancient Greek religion, Ancient Roman religion, Germanic paganism, Finnish Paganism, Norse paganism, Maya religion, Inca religion, Aztec religion, Neopaganism, Polytheistic Reconstructionism, Monotheism, Abrahamic religions. Aten, Judaism, Neoplatonism, Christianity, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Protestantism, Islam Zoroastrianism, Monism, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Dualis, Gnosticism and many more.
"Excuse me for the copy and paste from Wikipedia on all the worlds religions I may not have listed them all and the fact that some of these newer religions and of old are out of the time frame within that era, but you get the idea"

To have a position upon this tower you had to be the leader of your religious belief within its own hierarchy and all that mattered was who could be trusted with the tree/ book of knowledge. All on-board become in-captured with a love that was so pure no one could measure. It was so overwhelming all that tried to make there way up the tower where ridiculed and ostracized by another upon the stoop above and all about them. Slandering each others name and reputation as to drive them back down making those about them look undeserving or feeling unworthy. The most desperately sort stoops where at as high as the tower could be built and as not to lose there position the higher the tower got and the more that the leaders defended there position upon their stoop and the higher the tower become towards the heavens. Until it, all fell down and they altogether blamed our own existence creator.

Saying things like if our own existence creator has all the answers and knows all, why wasn't something or anything done about it before this happened and it still goes on today in all religions and beliefs and within the scientists tree of monkeys while the majority of people, still force a big stick into our own Natures existence creators hand or not to have a creator at all.

Unconditional love is as infinite as our own existence creator. This is the why and how of we became humane.
Peace be with you and all praise belongs to our own existence creator.
Masterdebaterseeyoulater

Con

Position:
All places of worship do not need to fall

Some things I would like to clarify:
I am an atheist so there will not be any points like god exists so gov should avoid trying to disprove god as it is a waste of space
I am not as knowledgeable on this topic as gov is on the topic of religion so I am shifting this debate to a more philosophical standpoint.

Places of worship bring a semblance of order that is beneficial to everyone. One of the biggest problems with atheism that many people face is the lack of meaning. For some humans, with our complex minds and free will can make us detrimental to society. People question why they should live, why they should contribute to society, not go around and murder people:). This has been detrimental to society in the past where humans used to live in kingdoms and tribes. By imposing a higher deity, who could punish them and do anything to them humans are told to do the right things. If by believing they were forced to follow the rules, then the society benefits.
Humans are pack animals and living together and working together is what allowed us to advance. Killing other humans would surely hurt this so morals were created to preserve society. Morals are a social construct that is imposed by religion. Religion is like a weapon that gave humans a reason to be good citizens. HELL. Nowadays, you could argue that religion is useless as these morals are so ingrained into our culture that we are taught to do all these things but with a semblance of free will. Nowadays the reason to be a good citizen is punishment by the government. Aren't both government and places of worship in terms of purpose the same thing? They both serve to protect society through punishment. The government though is accepted because there is a bit of free will and voting in a democracy but frankly, government is essential. To get to this point of time where some societies consist of millions of people, it would have been impossible. Religion has connected millions of people together and allowed for society to function. Without it, humans would trust no one except their families making society almost impossible to create.

Places of worship nowadays have to accept differences and many people are rejecting the ideas of heaven and hell. Places of worship act as a place for many people to connect with their community, to feel needed and have a purpose in life. By destroying worship places you are denying them the right to actually do what they need. there are so many non-violent churches that just profess a belief, Donate to charities and just try to be good people.

As an atheist we should understand that we just don't know much about the universe by all there could be a god but the chances are so low that it doesn't make sense to believe. But if someone chooses to believe you cannot say they are wrong because you don't know enough. If we can come to a point where god doesn't exist 100%, then they are stating false things. But even then you are infringing on their right to freedom of thought and speech by telling them they are not allowed to believe in god. I find this to be hypocritical as it fails to note that atheism is also a freedom of speech and shouldn't oppress anyone.

Also to your UN point which is irrelevant to the debate, Its not that bad. No country is that evil. there is no game of insanity we are all still alive.

Unconditional love does not make people humane. You could kill 10,000 people just for one person
what makes people humane is just our biological feelings to protect fellow humans
Debate Round No. 1
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

Well, aren't you a good student that fits right in with the 1% of the population that have the power and the money to create a little less dread in the world but they won't. I once upon a time wondered why.
Are you one of them? You put the blame on the average Joe as to say if you don't like it then give what you have away.

Have you been conditioned that well to be a happy little slavey? Prove me wrong and tell me that you work to live not live to work.
While the sea water rises and go on just say it, like all of you other brainwashed media junkies, climate change is just bull sh#t and the world is flat. It's just all fake news.

Life is but a pubic hair definitely standing upon the toilet bowl, justly waiting to be pissed off into the accolades of a notice that wasn't worth noticing, to begin with. Until the toilet roll asked, have you got the message yet?
Do you sit down or stand up pubic hair?
Is it more than sh#t on a stick or a sponge on a stick? Let us see if you have the ability to comprehend the message written on the toilet paper. Move along little donkey and that will do pig.

If what you have put forward is the best you can do as you speak for the human race. You had better leave as your attempt was as hollow as an election rally promise.
Masterdebaterseeyoulater

Con

Pro has changed the debate topic.

Pro seems has not rebutted any of my arguments but has instead chosen to attack me personally based on an assumption.
Pros attacking points contradict. How can someone live to work and have power and money to change the world? Average Joes are the corporate slaves- not the rich. I don't see how my arguments are anything against the average Joe. If anything your argument of bringing down religion impacts average Joe's the most.

Also, your analogy was really just an attempt by you to act smarter but truthfully, it is juvenile but since you asked if I understand it, I will translate it for the mature people out there.
Pro is basically saying that life is just being wasted by people trying to achieve things that are not worth achieving. And that should we change our take on life.

If only pro could debate as well as he makes similes because I really liked that last sentence. The problem is that pro does not explain why my attempt was hollow or anything.

Now back to the debate please
By destroying places of worship you are simply harming people.
Debate Round No. 2
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

https://en.wikipedia.org...(poem)

"As I was going up the stair
I met a man who wasn't there!
He wasn't there again today,
Oh, how I wish he'd go away!"

When I came home last night at three,
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall,
I couldn't see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don't you come back anymore!
Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door...

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away...

Now we are on the same page are we not?

Now look at this poem and when you come to "any more" the spell check just can't determine if it's any more or anymore but it can within this current state of ones and zeros are logic. To speak with articulation is a mix of logically and laterally. The be poetic is to be literally within the boundaries of expression.

The barriers with-in communication stop, if you stop to listen. As all it took was a line between any-more and that man upon a stair had gone away. What you wish upon another you wish upon yourself.

When all he asked of us was to love each other and we will learn how to love our self and don't do to another what you wouldn't do to yourself.
The tongue is as a double-edged sword it cuts both ways. Practising; Empathy, Humility, Sympathy and Cooperation throughout our lives, create's an understanding of the surroundings that we are subjected to, doing this teaches us how to talk to each other, so we can speak with each other and not at each other.

Peace be with you. All praise and glory belong the Nature our own existence creator of the known universe. Amen
Masterdebaterseeyoulater

Con

Pro is telling me that I am attacking him. You took the first shot. You refuse to get back on topic.

I declare myself winner since pro has decided to not argue and has never rebutted my points
Debate Round No. 3
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

Why have you not read the whole header and have but focused on what you please?
All places of worship need to fall, as no stone shall be upon another.

You say that you will take a philosophical standpoint. Is that a philosophical-scientific standpoint?

Con
Is this correct in accordance to what you have already said?
Places of worship bring a semblance of order that is beneficial to everyone. One of the biggest problems with atheism that many people face is the lack of meaning. For some humans, with our complex minds and free will can make us detrimental to society. People question why they should live, why they should contribute to society, not go around and murder people:). This has been detrimental to society in the past where humans used to live in kingdoms and tribes. By imposing a higher deity, who could punish them and do anything to them humans are told to do the right things. If by believing they were forced to follow the rules, then the society benefits.

Pro
Religion and beliefs have had its place in time to be the leading rule for the people by the people and it just isn't the structures created for worship that it was and should be. Religion and beliefs over time corrupt their own fundamental principles, when they try to become a governing force. People then break away and create their own governing rule. All religions and beliefs belong to the people and governing rule. Credibility is kept in check of both positions of authority at the people's discretion.

Con
Humans are pack animals and living together and working together is what allowed us to advance. Killing other humans would surely hurt this so morals were created to preserve society. Morals are a social construct that is imposed by religion. Religion is like a weapon that gave humans a reason to be good citizens. HELL. Nowadays, you could argue that religion is useless as these morals are so ingrained into our culture that we are taught to do all these things but with a semblance of free will. Nowadays the reason to be a good citizen is punishment by the government. Aren't both government and places of worship in terms of purpose the same thing? They both serve to protect society through punishment. The government though is accepted because there is a bit of free will and voting in a democracy but frankly, government is essential. To get to this point of time where some societies consist of millions of people, it would have been impossible. Religion has connected millions of people together and allowed for society to function. Without it, humans would trust no one except their families making society almost impossible to create.

Pro
So how is it that the leaders of the towers of Babel (established religions and beliefs of today) have so much wealth and treasures while people are starving to death? So many wealthy individuals upon the tree of monkeys (today's worldwide economics') would pay billions?

Con
Places of worship nowadays have to accept differences and many people are rejecting the ideas of heaven and hell. Places of worship act as a place for many people to connect with their community, to feel needed and have a purpose in life. By destroying worship places you are denying them the right to actually do what they need. there are so many non-violent churches that just profess a belief, Donate to charities and just try to be good people.

Pro
Atheists create divisions and mixed messages within and between western cultures and eastern cultures "excuse me for not a better word then cultures" Here in the west where we supposedly have freedom of speech rofl, while atheists continue within a scientific tunnel vision perspective and repeatedly toss the baby out with the bath water. While extremists intentionally pick up that big stick to defend any integrity that is left of any book/text about any sort of existence creator. The complete truth of any war; "it's not about who was right. It's about who is left" While philosophy and psychology continue to sift through the bias recordings of history left by the victors.

Con
As an atheist we should understand that we just don't know much about the universe by all there could be a god but the chances are so low that it doesn't make sense to believe. But if someone chooses to believe you cannot say they are wrong because you don't know enough. If we can come to a point where god doesn't exist 100%, then they are stating false things. But even then you are infringing on their right to freedom of thought and speech by telling them they are not allowed to believe in god. I find this to be hypocritical as it fails to note that atheism is also a freedom of speech and shouldn't oppress anyone.

Pro
So is it any wonder that the break down in communication has escalated to where we all stand within the united nations today throughout the world it's all so over governed with all sorts of taxes, fees, rates and insurances with foreign deficits still looming over our children's future putting our air and water quality at risk because of our blatant disregarded upon nature which affects the essentials of life that are becoming more so prevalent with obvious climate change.

Con
Also to your UN point which is irrelevant to the debate, It's not that bad. No country is that evil. there is no game of insanity we are all still alive.

Pro
Psychopaths are born and Sociopaths are made. https://eyesofasociopath.weebly.com...
Approximately 70,000,000 psychopaths and approximately 280,000,000 sociopaths 1% and 4% of the world's population both have destructive habitual behavioural issues, they both have no moral compass about empathetic or sympathetic traits that loving caring parents teach their children.
High functioning sociopaths and psychopaths play vicious games exploiting any that threaten their status quo of all I.Q levels. A trained mind can spot both traits. A true psychopath has an actual physical brain disorder and sociopaths have a physiological brain dysfunction.
One in five CEO's exploit humanities humane it's about the same as prisoners in prison.
https://www.healthyplace.com...
http://www.beardexecutiveconsulting.com...

Con
Unconditional love does not make people humane. You could kill 10,000 people just for one person
what makes people humane is just our biological feelings to protect fellow humans

Pro
These missing link referring to the psychopaths and the sociopaths plays a vicious game within consumer affairs of domination within their (it's not ours) economic policies created in an unethical playing field that instigates disastrous corporatism upon us all adding another link into the chain of humanities evolutionary flawed progression upon the tree of monkeys and the tower of Babel where any honest Joe that tries to play catch up, or just to keep the wolves from the door work themselves into an early grave. https://en.wikipedia.org...

Psychopaths are born and Sociopaths are made. https://eyesofasociopath.weebly.com...

Approximately 70,000,000 psychopaths and approximately 280,000,000 sociopaths 1% and 4% of the world's population both have destructive habitual behavioural issues, they both have no moral compass about empathetic or sympathetic traits that loving caring parents teach their children.
High functioning sociopaths and psychopaths play vicious games exploiting any that threaten their status quo of all I.Q levels. A trained mind can spot both traits. A true psychopath has an actual physical brain disorder and sociopaths have a physiological brain dysfunction.
One in five CEO's exploit humanities humane it's about the same as prisoners in prison.
https://www.healthyplace.com...
http://www.beardexecutiveconsulting.com...

These missing link in reference to sociopaths use psychopaths to play vicious game within consumer affairs of domination within their (it's not ours) economic policies created in an unethical playing field that instigates disastrous corporatism upon us all adding another link into the chain of humanities evolutionary flawed progression upon the tree of monkeys and the tower of Babel where any honest Joe that tries to play catch up, or just to keep the wolves from the door work themselves into an early grave. https://en.wikipedia.org...

How can we keep the wolves from the door and not become victimized? We can't. But we can do this for our children's future and it's as simple as an appreciation for human rights, being a mandatory subject in all of the schools of the world as part of the curriculum as early as preschool. https://www.humanrights.gov.au...

In 1911 the United Kingdom introduced the National Insurance Act 1911. Humanity is humane after all. Why didn't the rest of the world leaders follow suit? https://en.wikipedia.org...

Cause and effect have been out of the majorities grasp ever since WW2 and the end of the civil wars in Europe. Since then we exist within a Skinner box materialist throw-away society. https://www.simplypsychology.org...

Eugenics that many nations adopted back in early 1900. https://www.britannica.com...

Sigmund Freud selling out the human race to the 1% and 4% that had a very little concept of how to exploit humanities humane. https://firmitas.org...

Google: The Future of an Illusion by Sigmund Freud (Summary) - Firmitas.org
If the link above doesn't work anymore. Freedom of information still exists.

I ran out of page spaces.
Masterdebaterseeyoulater

Con

Pro
Religion and beliefs have had its place in time to be the leading rule for the people by the people and it just isn't the structures created for worship that it was and should be. Religion and beliefs over time corrupt their own fundamental principles, when they try to become a governing force. People then break away and create their own governing rule. All religions and beliefs belong to the people and governing rule. Credibility is kept in check of both positions of authority at the people's discretion.

Con
Most countries in the world nowadays have a secular government ( 85 are secular while 40 non secular and the rest ambiguous) and even in those non secular, many allow freedom of religion.
https://propelsteps.wordpress.com....
You missed the part where I said that places of worship bring a semblance of order. Nowadays it's more of an option to be a part of a religion. Also, no religion corrupts their own fundamental principles, times change. At one point it was commonly accepted in say, Christianity:

Topping it was St Paul's advice in 1 Timothy 2:12, in which the saint says: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."
The extract is often used to justify opposition to women priests.

This is misogyny in every context. but times change and religion changes along with it. What do you mean by "corruption"? it doesn't make sense. The average Joe that practices religion nowadays do it to give their life meaning and destroying these places of worship would harm them. Sure extremists take it to far sometimes but you can't punish everyone for a few people. That's like killing everyone just because some people are evil.

Pro
So how is it that the leaders of the towers of Babel (established religions and beliefs of today) have so much wealth and treasures while people are starving to death? So many wealthy individuals upon the tree of monkeys (today's worldwide economics') would pay billions?

Con
It seems you're argument here isn't about religion but the fact that there are rich people and some of them are religious leaders. For these people, religion is a business opportunity and just because they are smart. People are willing to pay for these services and these leaders are working after all. Even if we take away religion, there will still be rich people, poor people and people who don't give a . Pro just has a grudge on rich people. Maybe we should destroy Windows because that's how Bill Gates became rich right? Sounds just like something pro would say. Pro is suggesting a world of communism as the solution to poverty and he would get rid of religion for no other reason but people are rich.

Pro
Atheists create divisions and mixed messages within and between western cultures and eastern cultures "excuse me for not a better word then cultures" Here in the west where we supposedly have freedom of speech rofl, while atheists continue within a scientific tunnel vision perspective and repeatedly toss the baby out with the bath water. While extremists intentionally pick up that big stick to defend any integrity that is left of any book/text about any sort of existence creator. The complete truth of any war; "it's not about who was right. It's about who is left" While philosophy and psychology continue to sift through the bias recordings of history left by the victors.

Con
We do have freedom of speech here (assuming you live in America)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." - first amendment

You can literally find thousands of people saying they want to kill POTUS right outside the white house. You can also find Nazis, White Supremacists and just about anyone voicing their opinions in America. Pro blames everyone but himself saying oh atheists are bad, extremists are bad, philosophy and psychology are wrong. Pro is extremely arrogant in thinking all the problems in the world would go away by destroying all religious institutions but his (since clearly he isn't an atheist). Places of worship are in no way causing harm on a high level. Nazism was killing people and there are so many policies in the world that are bad. Pros only grudge about religion is because the leaders are rich.

Pro

So is it any wonder that the break down in communication has escalated to where we all stand within the united nations today throughout the world it's all so over governed with all sorts of taxes, fees, rates and insurances with foreign deficits still looming over our children's future putting our air and water quality at risk because of our blatant disregarded upon nature which affects the essentials of life that are becoming more so prevalent with obvious climate change.

Con

How will not respecting peoples freedom of idea and speech do all of this. These things you talk about taxes, fees, insurance; They're all essential for order and a social structure such as a government. It seems that you have a grudge about you're own life that is angering you. Taxes allow a government to function so that it can pave roads, education and so many other things. Insurance is for when something terrible happens so it saves you from living the rest of your life in debt. Before insurance, you'd have to go to debtors prison, a fee for insurance sounds a lot better. Also, to bring this back to the debate, all these problems you cite are not caused by religion, so it doesn't make sense as to why it is letting people have different opinions fault.

Pro
Psychopaths are born and Sociopaths are made. https://eyesofasociopath.weebly.com......
Approximately 70,000,000 psychopaths and approximately 280,000,000 sociopaths 1% and 4% of the world's population both have destructive habitual behavioural issues, they both have no moral compass about empathetic or sympathetic traits that loving caring parents teach their children.
High functioning sociopaths and psychopaths play vicious games exploiting any that threaten their status quo of all I.Q levels. A trained mind can spot both traits. A true psychopath has an actual physical brain disorder and sociopaths have a physiological brain dysfunction.
One in five CEO's exploit humanities humane it's about the same as prisoners in prison.
https://www.healthyplace.com......
http://www.beardexecutiveconsulting.com......
I couldn't include threat due to limited space

con
Yes, psychopaths are bad news when they are manipulative, but its still irrelevant. One in five CEO's exploiting sympathy doesn't mean that they are sociopaths. Ads exploit sympathy, sex appeal, anger and all kinds of things https://blog.hubspot.com...
doesn't mean they are sociopaths. It's just a business tactic. Also, I don't know where you got that statistic from because its not in either citation. Anyway, this is irrelevant to our debate. I don't understand how corporatism is relevant to religious places. Pro is just ranting about life in general and the way things are. I agree with you. Corporatism does lower social mobility but that has nothing to do with religious leaders.

another thing, educating children on human rights won't change corporatism. that isn't a human rights problem but yeah. still irrelevant to this debate.

I would like to point out that the United kingdom is fundamentally ruled by religion as religious leaders can still vote in legislature.

rest of your arguments are irrelevant and the Sigmund Freud thing:
It states that people don't like to work therefore coercion is necessary
That is what government and religion do so they are necessary for many people

If I have proved that removing religion is unnecessary and doesn't solve anything but rather hurts people then I have won this debate.
Debate Round No. 4
2far4u2CharlesDarwin

Pro

Address the topic header as you continue to even consider it as I have stated once already in the debate. This is twice. Once a fool twice an idiot three times an inability to comprehend.

First off, don't come to assumptions that lead to contempt.
Secondly, you have not advised me is your address to this debate is a philosophical standpoint or a philosophical-scientific standpoint?
Thirdly, you have done no more than used ad hominins and put what I have put forward as conjecture when I have put forward more than enough evidence of why, All places of worship need to fall, as no stone shall be upon another.
Forthy it's not all about you and me. It's all about us.

You can't even comprehend that the Pope is Catholic, not a Christian he tries to be but he has trillions of dollars of wealth at hand and the people still die for no justifiable reason, as lack of food or shelter or from the unruly patterns of climate change is not rational reasoning, when he of the like "as you have put it so arrogantly" the smart people, put there own want's before the needs of whom they are supposedly defending from the tyranny of the governing forces and supposed acts of God "climatic events"

I have also asked you within this debate to address the topic header and I suppose as I must reluctantly point out to you that you can't grasp hold of what "as no stone shall be upon another." even refers too. As that is what should be attacked here not me personally as you continue to do so in every con statement within your last address.

So let me spell it out for you; no stone shall be upon another. Means the structure of the law within places of worship needs to be changed to be a more humane approach for the people and by the people. Before Jesus Christ returns. For this is pre-warning. This message is not for the likes of you that hide behind your own apathy as to justify your own inhumane nature.
If you think that the world doesn't need to be given back to the children as I have reminded you and any other that truly comprehends rational reasoning as you seem to be addressing this debate with no more than logical reasoning from a philosophical-scientific standpoint, then you have comprehension issues from practised apathy that has caused a disposition within your own prefrontal cortex from the hurdle that you put in front of yourself, that you expect others to jump over as well. You dwell within the mind of a sociopath it's that simple because you resort to violence when you are at the losing end of the playing field. "Verbal abuse is a violent act"

It's not your fault it's the world that we live in that creates people of that nature. We are a product of the environment that we are subjected to "within reason" and the first sign of intelligence is the ability to adept.

Have you the ability to mean what you say and say what you mean when mean isn't what comes from the heart. It's what you wish upon another you wish upon yourself.
If you know the difference between empathy and sympathy then you'll meet humility. But dull the point of your double-edged tongue and keep the edges sharp as it always cuts both ways.

Rational reasoning
Then you can truly say, Peace be with you as all praise and glory belong to Nature our own existence creator. Amen

But if you have trouble grasping hold of unconditional love that only a few ever can or have then this statement would be more so fitting.

Logical reasoning.
Peace be with you as all praise and glory belong to Nature our own existence creator of intelligent design of the known universe. Amen
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
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Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
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