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And this is why guns need to be illegal

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Started: 10/16/2018 Category: People
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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FanboyMctroll

Pro

I am so tired of hearing from these red neck, Military, Waco Texas, NRA loving gun nuts who believe in some ancient parchment the Constitution and believe they need guns, It's sad stories like this that always amaze me why people would still want to have a gun. In a civilized society we have, Why would you feel the need to own a gun, Unless you are a meth dealing trailer park trash, A ghetto gangster or just a complete paranoid person who thinks the tyrannical government is going to break down their door and invade their house without a warrant, Or they believe that there will be a home invasion every night at your house.

It's stories like this that make me wonder, Are people really that stupid that they feel they need a gun?

MARION, Ind. -- Authorities say a 3-year-old boy accidentally shot and wounded his 2-year-old brother at their home in northeastern Indiana.

The shooting happened Monday near the Grant County community of Marion, About 60 miles northeast of Indianapolis. State police and the county sheriff's office responded and found that the younger brother had been shot in the shoulder and the bullet was lodged in a wall.

The wounded boy was taken to a hospital for treatment.
zhaod1

Con

You're right on the points that guns should be not be a right to everyone and that home invasions, Burglaries, Or attempted murders are rare. However, It may be better to be safe than sorry. Yes, Many times, Guns get into the wrong hands, And that is why there is gun control to minimize the number of gun homicides and shooting accidents. Problem is, How are we going to make guns illegal if most of the people with guns wouldn't cooperate? In addition, Although a gun ban certainly would discourage criminals to commit a crime with a gun, Some criminals that are extremely passionate for their goal to kill someone may try to steal or obtain one illegally. The situation gets complicated their, Since although less criminals have guns, Virtually no law abiding citizens would have them to defend themselves.
Debate Round No. 1
FanboyMctroll

Pro

You ask how we will make guns illegal? Simple, Get rid of the 300 year old second amendment. When that amendment and constitution were written was in the 1700. It's time to wake up and move into this century. We don't have wild posse riding into town, We don't have scalping Indians, We don't need to kill our food, Billy The Kid and Jessie James aren't waiting for duels on the main dirt street in town.

Times have changed, People have changed, Societies have changed, Lets move into this century instead of hanging on to a 300 year old law. The 2'md amendment can be removed, Laws are changed and amended. Hell marijuana is legal ALL across Canada today! , It was illegal and people went to jail for it, But now they can smoke it right in front of a cop or grow their own. If we can change that, We can change gun laws.

Get rid of the 2nd amendment, Then provide a buy back program for guns, Give a 2 year grace period for gun ownership, Then make it illegal to own one. First offence 5 years in jail. The only exception would be law enforcement officers.

Canada has no guns, The only gun violence in Canada is drug dealers killing each other with guns smuggled from the USA. But no one else can have a hand gun or machine gun.

I don't hear any Canadian complaining that they need a gun for protection, Because there is no gun culture in Canada, And many other countries are the same when it comes to guns. Hell in England the police don't even have guns, Just whistles.

The whole gun culture is an NRA fueled billion dollar industry, The NRA made more money last year that all of Hollywood entertainment. Americans love their guns more than watching movies! What does that say about a society. That you would rather carry a gun and have your kid take it to school and kill kids because he is being bullied, Rather than go toa movie theater with your kid.

Pretty sad.

Thank God I don't live in America, Home of the gun nut culture. Your Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Aurora movie theater, Orlando night club, Las Vegas (58 dead) will never stop, Because the entire American society is brainwashed into believing that you need a gun, Because the "Tyrannical Government" is coming after you, Or a perp is just waiting to invade your house, And so you have to live in constant fear and carry a gun. When in reality it's more likely your kid gets hold of the gun and shoots himself or his friends or doesn't take his meds and goes and shoots up a school, Or you get fired from the post office and go home and get a gun and come back to shoot all the employees.

Guns kill and they should be illegal. Lets stop this stupid gun paranoid mentality

#StopgunsMETOO
#Gunviolencevictimslivesmatter
#NRA=666
#Dontbeparanoid
zhaod1

Con

"You ask how we will make guns illegal? Simple, Get rid of the 300 year old second amendment. "
Congress has not only democrats but also republicans. In order for a law to be made or repealed, One must first send an idea for a new law to Congress. Next, Congress must turn the idea into a bill and have the choice to modify it. After the idea becomes a bill, The committee of the representatives and senate will debate on whether or not to vote for the bill. A majority of the representatives and senate must agree on the bill. Afterwards, If the majority of the representatives and senate agree on voting for the bill, The bill would go to the president to give the president a choice to sign the bill, Veto the bill, Pocket veto the bill, Or not do anything. There is basically no possibility that a law repealing the 2nd amendment would pass both Congress and the Executive branch. It would be extremely hard to get a majority of both the house and senate to vote in favor of the law, And even then, The president wouldn't sign the law.
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"I don't hear any Canadian complaining that they need a gun for protection, Because there is no gun culture in Canada, And many other countries are the same when it comes to guns. Hell in England the police don't even have guns, Just whistles. "
Actually, Canada ranks in the top 5 countries for firearms per capita. Can you specify which countries "are the same"? It's true that England has a low number of firearms per capita.
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"The NRA made more money last year that all of Hollywood entertainment. Americans love their guns more than watching movies! What does that say about a society. That you would rather carry a gun and have your kid take it to school and kill kids because he is being bullied, Rather than go toa movie theater with your kid. "
Where is your source that the NRA made more money last year than all of Hollywood entertainment? Even if your statistic was true, It doesn't mean that Americans would want their children to take the gun to school and shoot others.
"Thank God I don't live in America, Home of the gun nut culture. Your Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Aurora movie theater, Orlando night club, Las Vegas (58 dead) will never stop, Because the entire American society is brainwashed into believing that you need a gun, Because the 'Tyrannical Government' is coming after you, Or a perp is just waiting to invade your house, And so you have to live in constant fear and carry a gun. "
It's interesting how you always keep saying that mass shootings are a reason for guns to be illegal. However, Only 86 people died from mass shootings last year (2017). The number of homicides in America with a gun is around 12, 000 people. Even if the odds of having to defend yourself from a criminal is very rare, The chance that a person would actually commit a crime with the gun is even rarer if the person is very law-abiding.
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"When in reality it's more likely your kid gets hold of the gun and shoots himself or his friends or doesn't take his meds and goes and shoots up a school, Or you get fired from the post office and go home and get a gun and come back to shoot all the employees. "
Where's your source to back up your claim?
"Guns kill and they should be illegal. "
Cars kill, Airplanes kill, Knives kill, And even hands kill. Does that mean that all of them should be illegal?
Debate Round No. 2
FanboyMctroll

Pro

FanboyMctroll forfeited this round.
zhaod1

Con

Pro forfeited a round, So I extend my arguments from the previous.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
a dead bolt and a cell phone to call 911, LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES!
Posted by zhaod1 3 years ago
zhaod1
What should people use for self defense then?
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
guns at home were four times more likely to cause an accidental shooting, Seven times more likely to be used in assault or homicide, And 11 times more likely to be used in a suicide than they were to be used for self-defense.

That's going to really suck for Pointproven when his gun discharges accidently and kills him in his own home, Oh well at least we won't have anymore redneck fake news from him stating guns are good after that
Posted by zhaod1 3 years ago
zhaod1
Cool
I never argued for more guns, So you're attacking a straw man.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
Read this

https://www. Scientificamerican. Com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
Posted by zhaod1 3 years ago
zhaod1
I said many guards, Not just one guard.
While the gunman kills some guards, The rest will take him down.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
That is the worst misconception statement I have ever heard. The gunman just kills the security guards and continues killing, More guns does not mean less killing.
Posted by zhaod1 3 years ago
zhaod1
FanboyMctroll
If there were many security guards in the building with guns, Mass shootings wouldn't happen as often.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
you know what I just found very ironic

you going to school and some kid who has been bullied at the same shool comes in with a gun and pulls off another Columbine and you get caught in the cross hair

How ironic would that be, The guy defending guns, Gets mowed down in a hail of bullets
Posted by PointProven 3 years ago
PointProven
"smoking is a personal choice, I don't have a choice when a psycho walks into the local bodega"

You could also choose to just live in a cave and never come out. That will keep you away from the big scary guns. Or you can just hide in your moms basement like you already do. Anyway, I got things to do. Keep arguing with yourself.
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