Animals should have the right to life. (veganism)

Animals are of moral value since humans are of moral value and there is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would deem ourselves without moral value.
if animals have moral value then there is no justification to needlessly slaughter them since there is no trait unique to animals that would justify a difference in reasoning their slaughter with the slaughter of humans. Note I am not stating humans and animals have the same moral value, I am saying with moral value since there must justification behind moral degradation and since animals don't possess any trait that would deem it ok to kill them if a human also possessed it there must therefore be no difference in the agreed upon right to life besides magnitude. The right to life I define is the right not to be slaughtered, Raped, Enslaved, Or trapped. I also state that the magnitude difference in the right to life among humans and animals is one that puts humans in a higher moral value than non-human animals. Also note just because one object has more moral value than another object that doesn't grant the first object total reign over the second one.

Moral value I define is the value placed on objects that protects them, Based on the value agreed, From actions that would be deemed immoral if it were to happen to an object such as a punch or killing an innocent person. We say it is wrong to perform the immoral action to the object that we assign moral value to.

Hello,

You start by equating animals and humans with the same moral value and traits. Okay under that principle, If animals (which we are animals also) eat other animals, Being of equal moral value and also being animals, Then we should also, Right? You say we are of equal moral value, You should add equal nutritional value. Just ask the shark, Lion, Or any other animal that would eat you.

Besides moral value, Animals have nutritional value, Mostly protein, Including us as mammals, Though I'm not promoting cannibalism. Protein is required for human growth. Eating the flesh of animals is the most efficient way to eat that protein and also to produce a large enough amount of protein for the population.

You talk about needless slaughter, How else are you going to eat them, Alive? And have you ever watched an animal kill another animal for food, Its a fight and usually a blood bath. There is no moral high grown involved, One animal has something the other wants and that's flesh. The prey does not want to give it up that flesh so it's a fight. If the prey escapes, He lives to be prey another day, If not then it's a feast for the hunter. But as higher moral creatures as you stated us humans are (though we were equal earlier, ) we should be harvesting animals humanely and with as little suffering as possible, Which is the case most times.

Your definition of right to life that including rape is a little out there for a debate on veganism. I, And i think almost everyone, Agree that animals should not be raped, So I will give you that. As for animals being enslaved, Well yeah, We have to keep them some where, We call them pastures and pens.

You now change from moral equality and note that "because one object has more moral value than another object that doesn't grant the first object total reign over the second one" which is true. As humans our superior strength, Physical traits, And intelligence give us that reign and superiority. Vegans agree that we are superior because they say we should take care of and protect the animals, Making us superior over them. We just choose it eat certain ones because they are tasty.

Also we evolved to eat animals. Our eye teeth are for ripping flesh. Our molars are designed to chew that flesh up for easier digestion.

Lastly, What do most people do when you see a spider in your house, Kill it right? Or you remove it from where it wants to be and place it outside, Resetting it's search for another animal, A fly in this case, To EAT. But where is the line? Do you kill a spider or the fly because it's in your house? What about a bigger animal like a skunk or possum? Why do we draw a line about what we can and can't eat? Other cultures eat cats, Dogs, And horses all because they are protein.

What makes us different is our intelligence. That gives us reign over the animals of this earth. We should not abuse that by treating animals inhumanely. But it does not mean we should pass up on the best source of nutritional protein just because it hard be imagine eating something that was alive. Well it's hard to imagine until that smell raises from the grill.

Side not, For some reason it keeps capitalizing letters after commas and it changed a few other things too. I have corrected what it would allow me to correct but it is what it is.

Note I am not stating humans and animals have the same moral value, I am saying with moral value since there must justification behind moral degradation and since animals don't possess any trait that would deem it ok to kill them if a human also possessed it there must therefore be no difference in the agreed upon right to life besides magnitude.

The problem you made is that you didn't read my part about establishing animals are indeed lower in moral value. The reason I say they should have the right to life is because if you were that animal you wouldn't want to be murdered for food. Their ability to have a subjective reality like you or I makes it wrong to kill them for the same reason as a human, Not the magnitude, The reason it is wrong to murder humans is the same reason it is wrong to murder animals except it isn't as bad.

The burden of proof on you is to debunk my argument by naming a trait that is absent in animals which if absent in humans would make us deem ourselves value less. If you deny the premise then one could swap all traits of the animal to the human and it would still be wrong to kill one and not the other which in that case would be a logical contradiction.

Our trait is we are higher on the food chain because of our intelligence. All carnivorous animals would eat you if you give them the chance or if they are hungry. How many times do we hear about the cat lady being found after being eaten by her own cats?

"since animals don't posses any trait that would deem it ok to kill them" is wrong. They have nutritional value. No one wants to be murdered for food, Including humans. And that's why we are careful around other animals, Ei. Bears and sharks, Because we're don't want to. But the nutritional value is there to justify eating them. With our current population we need to for the survival of the species.

Ok for some reason my response didn't appear. I'll type it out again.

My premise is that there is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would make us deem ourselves valueless in other words justify the needless slaughter. You say there is and that it is nutritional value and your superior intellect.
So if my premise is false and if your identified trait is such trait then this would follow: It is okay to kill and eat animals since they a. ) have nutritional value or b. ) they lack the intellect cpharris has. Just as true then must this be: It is okay to kill and eat any object that has a. ) nutritional value or b. ) inferior Intellect to cpharris. Any object includes humans. So if a human has the trait a. ) or b. ) would it be okay to kill and eat them. If not that is a contradiction. That would be special pleading and would make your argument completely invalid. My question is would it be okay to kill and eat the human who has the trait a. ) or b. )?

If you don't answer the question I'll just assume that you don't know how to answer.

Sorry had a family issue and had to leave town to take care of it.

"I hope he did not just run away like a chicken. " HAHAHAHA It's always the people winning the argument that resort to name calling. HAHAHA

SO let's make this real simple. You asked for a trait that made it alright to eat animals. That trait is nutrition.

Yes everything that I can kill, Harvest or grow, Or basically even digest is a source of food. Be it because I'm more intelligent than the prey, Stronger than the prey or just luckier that day. Now we are civilized creatures so we don't eat things like each other, Pets, Endangered species. At least not until we need to. It's okay for people to be vegan, For what ever reason they want.

But this point and this point alone will always limit any claim that we should never eat animals.

If you get hungry enough, You will eat anything to survive.

Now a person can choose not to eat animals that's their choice. But when it comes down to it, You would grill the last of an endangered species for something to eat to survive.