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Are all doctors criminals?

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Started: 11/17/2018 Category: Science
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reubencpiplupyay

Con

Welcome to the debate! I wish my opponent good luck.

First of all, I'd just like to mention that if you see words after commas capitalised, It's automatic and unresolvable. I haven't seen it in a debate yet, But the automatic capitalisation does affect comments. So if you do see this happening, Make sure you don't award grammar points based on it.

My contention is that not all doctors are criminals. In this debate, Pro will have the burden of proof, As he is the one making the claim that all doctors are criminals, Whereas I am arguing for the null hypothesis in this case: that not all doctors are criminals.

As for the round format of this debate, It'll take this format, With each number corresponding to the round:

1. Instigator (con) states position and details format of debate. Contender (pro) states position and presents first arguments.

2. Instigator argues against Contender's arguments and presents arguments of their own. Contender argues against Instigator's arguments and may present further arguments.

3. Instigator argues against Contender's arguments and may present further arguments, Before concluding briefly. Contender argues against Instigator's arguments, And may not make new arguments, Before concluding briefly.
Akhenaten

Pro

I contend that all allopathic doctors are criminals because they all believe that germ theory of disease is a valid system. This system was disproved long ago by Antoine Bechamp who proved that germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of disease. This has been reconfirmed by Dr Crohn in 1932 when he discovered Crohn's disease or what we today call leaky gut syndrome. Thus, Germs come from interior sources and not from exterior sources as germ theory contends. Thus, If you avoid foods which cause your gut to leak, Then you can also avoid all diseases and feelings of unwellness. Note - The only suitable diet for humans is a paleo diet. Eating grain, Sugar, Dairy and fat will cause blockages and inflammation. This is what causes disease. Germs are totally harmless when in the gut where they belong. Its only when they pass through the intestinal wall and enter the blood stream that they cause disease to occur.
Debate Round No. 1
reubencpiplupyay

Con

First of all, I'd like to thank my opponent for accepting this debate. I'll now list their claims in quotes, In order to rebut them.

"I contend that all allopathic doctors are criminals because they all believe that germ theory of disease is a valid system. "
It is not illegal to believe that the germ theory of disease is valid. Therefore, Doctors wouldn’t be criminals for believing in it, Even if the germ theory of disease was invalid.

"This system was disproved long ago by Antoine Bechamp who proved that germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of disease. "
I couldn't find any reliable sources to support the claim that Bechamp disproved the germ theory of disease. Rather, It seems to be the other way around. In fact, From 1950 to November 2nd 2008 at 9:50 am PST, There were 909599 citations on Pubmed, A medical research search engine relating to infections. A Pubmed search for terms to support pleomorphism, Bechamp's idea, Finds zero references. Pubmed is considered to be a reliable source, And contains millions of scientific studies.

"This has been reconfirmed by Dr Crohn in 1932 when he discovered Crohn's disease or what we today call leaky gut syndrome. "
Leaky gut syndrome and Crohn's disease are not the same. Leaky gut syndrome is not medically recognised. Crohn's disease is not caused by germs, But doctors don't claim that all diseases are caused by germs. It's also not caused by diet.

"Thus, Germs come from interior sources and not from exterior sources as germ theory contends. Thus, If you avoid foods which cause your gut to leak, Then you can also avoid all diseases and feelings of unwellness. "
These claim is unsupported, As they rest on claims which are simply not proven.

"The only suitable diet for humans is a paleo diet. "
The claimed effectiveness of the paleo diet is unsupported by scientific evidence. Modern human digestive systems differ from those of Paleolithic humans.

The other claims you've made have been rebutted above, So I'll continue with my arguments. Because you've chosen your angle of attack to be on germ theory, I'll provide evidence that your position can't explain.

You claim that the consumption of grain, Sugar, Dairy and fat causes disease, But medieval peasants had less of all of those than we do today, Yet were far more diseased than us. They faced poor dental hygiene, The Black Death, And other diseases we face far less today.

Bechamp's theory fails to explain the effectiveness of antibiotics and vaccination in treating and preventing disease. These treatments are effective, And are created through the application the germ theory of disease.

The poor diet theory you propose also fails to explain the existence of infectious diseases.


Sources:
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Akhenaten

Pro

1. Just because somebody hasn't been convicted of a crime doesn't mean that they are innocent. Most crime goes on undetected and unpunished. There are plenty of examples of times when authorities committed crimes on the community. Nazi Germany, The Roman Empire and The Inquisition as examples. The medical system is an ongoing crime against humanity. The pharmaceutical industry supports doctors and covers their mistakes with financial backing and propaganda to the media. Its all about making money from gullible people for dubious services of no benefit. 

2. Pubmed is a commercial enterprise and profit making organisation which will support germ theory, Doctors and the drug manufacturers. Their research and opinions will be highly biased and they will destroy and discredit any evidence that disproves germ theory. Note - There is no study that proves germ theory to be valid or correct because it is an illogical concept.

3. Crohn's disease.

Gaps in the intestinal wall which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream. What causes the gut to leak? Grain, Sugar, Dairy and fat.

"Thus, Germs come from interior sources and not from exterior sources as germ theory contends. Thus, If you avoid foods which cause your gut to leak, Then you can also avoid all diseases and feelings of unwellness. "
These claim is unsupported, As they rest on claims which are simply not proven.

Really?

Quote - You claim that the consumption of grain, Sugar, Dairy and fat causes disease, But medieval peasants had less of all of those than we do today, Yet were far more diseased than us. They faced poor dental hygiene, The Black Death, And other diseases we face far less today.

Reply - Note -The black Death was caused by volcanic activity which led to crop failure and starvation.

Poor dental hygiene - Only one cause SUGAR! Stop eating it!

Note - Ancient people had no clue about what a vitamin is. Thus, They couldn't know that eating an apple a day would keep the doctor away. Lack of vitamin C will cause your body to break down and become diseased. Your teeth will fall out and you will get dark blotches on your skin. BLACK DEATH!

Quote - Bechamp's theory fails to explain the effectiveness of antibiotics and vaccination in treating and preventing disease. These treatments are effective, And are created through the application the germ theory of disease.

Reply - Antibiotics and vaccination does more harm than good. If you kill all your internal bacteria you will starve to death because its your internal bacteria that feds you. This can result in some people requiring a faecal microbiota transplant. Thus, The logic of antibiotics and vaccination are both faulty and dangerous to humans.

www. Bustle. Com/p/fecal-transplants-may-work-better-than-antibiotics-to-treat-this-serious-kind-of-infection-according-to-a-study-9275656

Quote - The poor diet theory you propose also fails to explain the existence of infectious diseases.

Reply - There is no such thing as an infectious disease. All diseases come from a leaky gut and not from the external environment.

Debate Round No. 2
reubencpiplupyay

Con

"Just because somebody hasn't been convicted of a crime doesn't mean that they are innocent. Most crime goes on undetected and unpunished. There are plenty of examples of times when authorities committed crimes on the community. Nazi Germany, The Roman Empire and The Inquisition as examples. The medical system is an ongoing crime against humanity. The pharmaceutical industry supports doctors and covers their mistakes with financial backing and propaganda to the media. Its all about making money from gullible people for dubious services of no benefit. "
Previously, You claimed that doctors "are criminals because they all believe that germ theory of disease is a valid system". That statement is at odds with this one. A crime against humanity is defined as 'certain acts that are deliberately committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack or individual attack directed against any civilian or an identifiable part of a civilian population'. You'll first need to show that harm is being committed, Which you haven't. You'll then need to show the intent to harm, Which you also haven't done. This paragraph also makes several unsupported assertions, By claiming the existence of a conspiracy.

"Pubmed is a commercial enterprise and profit making organisation which will support germ theory, Doctors and the drug manufacturers. Their research and opinions will be highly biased and they will destroy and discredit any evidence that disproves germ theory. Note - There is no study that proves germ theory to be valid or correct because it is an illogical concept. "
PubMed is a government organisation owned by the United States National Library of Medicine, Not a commercial enterprise. PubMed is a non-partisan entity, As any scientific entity should be. It hosts many studies disputing the efficacy of pharmaceutical drugs, So it's hardly the evil corporate tool you think it is. Also, To deny that any studies support germ theory is to literally deny the existence of a million stuudies which do.

"Gaps in the intestinal wall which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream. What causes the gut to leak? Grain, Sugar, Dairy and fat. "
Carbohydrates, Glucose and fat are important parts of the modern human diet. Your claim is also unsupported, Making it an assertion rather than an argument.

"The black Death was caused by volcanic activity which led to crop failure and starvation. "
The volcanic activity of the late 13th century, While damaging, Had effects on crops which extended past the era of the Black Death. Starvation occurs throughout history, And even today, But the plague wasn't active in most periods. People who weren't starving, Such as nobles, Were also affected.

"Poor dental hygiene - Only one cause SUGAR! Stop eating it! "
Mass production of sugar in Europe only became widespread after the Medieval period. It was rare and expensive. If sugar is the only cause of poor dental hygeine, Why did Medieval peasants have such bad teeth?

"Ancient people had no clue about what a vitamin is. Thus, They couldn't know that eating an apple a day would keep the doctor away. Lack of vitamin C will cause your body to break down and become diseased. Your teeth will fall out and you will get dark blotches on your skin. BLACK DEATH! "
You're describing the symptoms of scurvy, Which is quite different from the bubonic plague, Especially as it is non-transmissible. Also, If ancients didn't know what vitamins were, Why do you advocate the Paleo diet, Which came from people who didn't know about vitamins?

"Antibiotics and vaccination does more harm than good. If you kill all your internal bacteria you will starve to death because its your internal bacteria that feds you. This can result in some people requiring a faecal microbiota transplant. Thus, The logic of antibiotics and vaccination are both faulty and dangerous to humans. "
Antibiotics and vaccines ended many diseases as significant threats. They clearly do more good than harm. The source you provided only refers to one specific disease, Not all of them, So it hardly contradicts me.

"There is no such thing as an infectious disease. All diseases come from a leaky gut and not from the external environment. "
Does being near a sick person make one's gut leaky? This statement is at odds with all scientific evidence.


I'd like to thank my opponent for an interesting debate, And I hope the facts speak for themselves. The sources will be in the comments.
Akhenaten

Pro

The harm done by the medical system.
1. Misinformation is spread to the community about the cause of disease coming from germs rather than from a bad diet. This causes people to assume that they can eat what ever they please with total immunity from disease. Thus, Millions of people get sick and die early due to this misinformation which is spread by the medical authorities. Dangerous food substances such as sugar, Grain, Dairy and fat are over comsumed by society resulting in debilitating diseases like diabetes, Arthritis, Cancer, Thyroid malfunction, Heart attack, Stroke, Reduced vision and lukemia. All these and many other common problems could be totally avoided if the public was properly advised and educated on what constitutes a proper diet.

Advertising vaccination as a cure for all diseases in very misleading and dangerous. For a start, Vaccination doesn't work because it is based on false assumptions on how the human body functions. The germs come from a leaky gut and not from the external environment. Thus, By adhering to a strict Paleo type of diet all diseases can be prevented from occurring in the first place.

2. Germ theory

You haven't given me one example of a study which proves germ theory to be valid or correct. Note - I have worked in a laboratory and know all the dirty tricks so you will have to work hard to convince me.

3. "Carbohydrates, Glucose and fat are important parts of the modern human diet. "

That's right, They are. And that's why people get colds, Flu, Diabetes and other vitamin deficiency diseases. Its because these items lack vitamins and cause inflammation, Blockages and vitamin deficiency diseases. I don't eat any of these poisonous items and do just fine without illness of any description.

4. "People who weren't starving, Such as nobles, Were also affected. "

How do you know that they weren't starving? (The references don't mention anything about what they were eating or not eating. )

BBC - History - The Black Death : The lasting impact by Professor Tom James

By way of example, Ralph Higden, A contemporary chronicler, Argued that 'lords and great men escaped'. By contrast, Geoffrey le Baker, An Oxfordshire man, Noted deaths among the nobility. And so there were: one of King Edward III's daughters, Archbishops, Bishops, Abbots, Abbesses, Nobles and lords of manors died in the first outbreak. In 1361 the Duke of Lancaster, A leading general, Was among the victims.

Note - To die from the Black Death just means that you were vitamin deficent it doesn't mean that you were starving as such.

Note - You can die from vitamin deficency disease with a full stomach.

The problem is that grain is excessively used during periods of crop failure of fresh fruit and vegetables. Grain can be stored for years but friut and vegetales would only last for months. Thus, In the end, All people would have to eat for breakfast, Lunch and dinner is grain. This would cause massive inflammation of the bowels and cause leaky gut syndrome which results in the BLACK DEATH.


5. Sugar

Archaeological studies show that an average of 20 percent of teeth showed decay. In some early 20th century populations, Up to 90 percent of teeth showed decay, Probably in part to the increased sugar consumption once sugar was imported from tropics.

6. "Why do you advocate the Paleo diet, Which came from people who didn't know about vitamins? "

They didn't have to know about vitamins because they were eating a Paleo diet which is the natural diet that humans were meant to eat.

7. "Antibiotics and vaccines ended many diseases as significant threats. They clearly do more good than harm"

According to the Vaccination Liberation website graphs all show that vaccination has had no effect on reducing diseases.

Note - Sanitation, Sewerage works, Clean water, Better diet, Refrigeration and better more efficient transport systems are what defeats disease and has nothing to do with vaccination.

Sources and graphs in comments section.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by reubencpiplupyay 1 week ago
reubencpiplupyay
I'm no longer going to respond to your pseudo-intellectualism.
Posted by Akhenaten 2 weeks ago
Akhenaten
"and all I needs is to have a grain based dinner" lol The psychology of language and words usage suggests that this never really happened. But don't worry. 17 year old's ain't meant to be honest. I was once 17 too. Sounds like something out of a Dickens novel squire! Lol
Posted by reubencpiplupyay 2 weeks ago
reubencpiplupyay
On a normal school day, I'll have a sandwich for lunch. On half of school days, I'll have toast and milk for breakfast. All I need is to have a grain based dinner, And my day fits your description.
Posted by Akhenaten 2 weeks ago
Akhenaten
The laws of probability and the historical records of human dishonesty put the odds at close to zero.
Posted by reubencpiplupyay 2 weeks ago
reubencpiplupyay
I've done it before. Before you accuse me of lying, Please consider that I have 17 years to try it.
Posted by Akhenaten 2 weeks ago
Akhenaten
Too fast, I only just advised you and you have already done it. Thus, One can only speculate that an untruth has been told.
Posted by reubencpiplupyay 2 weeks ago
reubencpiplupyay
I did, And I'm fine.
Posted by Akhenaten 2 weeks ago
Akhenaten
If you don't believe what I am saying is true. Then, You can test it out for yourself. Just eat nothing but grain and dairy for breakfast, Lunch and dinner for just one day and see what happens. Lol
Posted by Akhenaten 2 weeks ago
Akhenaten
Graphs - http://www. Vaclib. Org/intro/present/index2. Htm

www. Bbc. Co. Uk/history/british/middle_ages/black_impact_01. Shtml

www. Wayneoralsurgery. Com/blog/what-was-dental-health-like-in-the-middle-ages/
Posted by reubencpiplupyay 2 weeks ago
reubencpiplupyay
Sources aren't working, So I'll say how to get them.
Search PubMed on Wikipedia.
Google 'volcanic activity in 1300s', And click the top result.
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