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Nathan10e
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kyleniel
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Are morals objective? (And should society conform to religious morals? )

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Started: 8/18/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Nathan10e

Con

Hello all, I'm here to debate a complex topic that modern philosophy and modern religion have both tried to tackle to varying degrees of success, 'can religious morals, Regardless of religion be proved as objective fact? ' And as a consequence of this question, What would that mean for society? What morals should society conform to? And finally, How big of a role should religion play in the judicial system if that is the case? From my perspective, As an agnostic atheist, Naturalist, And moral relativist, I would like to debate this topic against anyone who claims to have an objective moral perspective based on religion, Again, Regardless of which religion you adhere to. As far as my opening statement goes, I would like to keep it simple and quick. I believe in moral relativism because of my naturalistic outlook in life. Humans evolved with the same purpose as all life on this planet, To survive as a species. This is expanded by the fact that humans are social animals, Capable of creating societies where the combined efforts of individuals benefit everyone. Moral ideas stem from the evolutionary urge to protect our species from extinction and they also come from the reasoning that allows for societies to form and flourish. I assert that morality is simply a concept that is man made for the purpose of serving the species as a whole, Not unchanging law put in place by a deity or God for humans to follow.
kyleniel

Pro

Morals can possibly be proven factual, So yes. Plus, Most religions usually say the same message, It could be a reason for moral guidelines to follow.
Debate Round No. 1
Nathan10e

Con

Please explain how morals can be proven factual, There is no empirical evidence that I've seen to point towards that. Most would say that they see a moral 'grey area' and many agree on the same issues being gray as opposed to black and white. As for religions sharing similar messages, That is easily explained by the fact that the worlds two most popular religions, Christianity and Islam, Share much of the same source material and were both founded in the middle east (same as Judaism). While religions outside of those three may share some similarities when it comes to moral codes, I would chalk that up to mere coincidences as all major religions have lengthy teachings and holy books. If you can logically or scientifically pull those arguments apart, Then i would greatly appreciate it. I'm here to learn and hopefully grow in my perspective of this issue.
kyleniel

Pro

Here are some articles. I post them in order to save time.

http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2011/11/why-moral-nihilism-is-self-contradictory/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2011/11/a-philosophical-polemic-against-moral-nihilism/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2011/11/the-universe-does-not-care-about-our-morality-so-what/#comment-134809
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2009/09/philosophical-ethics-r-m-hare-on-moral-consistency-as-a-form-of-logical-consistency/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2011/11/immoralism-2/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2009/10/philosophical-ethics-rawlss-maximin-principle/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2010/07/how-our-morality-realizes-our-humanity/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2010/07/on-the-intrinsic-connection-between-being-and-goodness/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2010/06/rightful-pride-identification-with-ones-own-admirable-powers-and-effects-2/
http://www. Patheos. Com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2011/01/goodness-is-a-factual-matter-goodnesseffectiveness/
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Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Bunk. The systematic slaughter of 75% of European Jewry in less than 4 years. . . Where was Western morality?
Posted by Nathan10e 3 years ago
Nathan10e
The holocaust is irrelevant when discussing proof of objective morality, It is a topic for discussing ethics at best. I"m looking for a logical argument that show that you can reasonably and or scientifically prove objective morality, Not just the mention of spiritual questions and past events.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Morals represents a spiritual question which sub human European animals lack the mental capacity to understand. Proof: the Holocaust.
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