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Are the laws of the Old Testament still binding?

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Started: 11/20/2018 Category: Religion
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Are the laws of the Old Testament still binding?

Yes, They are binding forever.
Yes. Thus jesus is false, Christianity is false, The NT is false.

The laws are an everlasting covenant, For a thousand generations, Always and forever. That means that nobody, Especially a piddling little squalor of a sideman's arm of god, Namely christ can change them. Not for any reason. Not ever.
* The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7
* All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16
* Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Proverbs 30:5
* The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Isaiah 40:8
* Know therefore that the LORD thy God, He is God, The faithful God, Which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations. Deuteronomy 7:9
* Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, And keep his charge, And his statutes, And his judgments, And his commandments, Alway. Deuteronomy 11:1
* Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. . . An everlasting covenant. 1 Chronicles 16:15
* Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. Psalm 119:151-2
* Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalm 119:160

God will curse you if you don't obey his commandments.
* Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, If ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, Which I command you this day: And a curse, If ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Keeping the commandments is the whole duty of every human.
* Fear God, And keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13

Remember (and obey) the law of Moses.
* Remember ye the law of Moses. Malachi 4:4

Jesus instructed his followers to obey all of the commandments.
* Till heaven and earth pass, One jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, Till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, And shall teach men so, He shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:18-19
* It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, Than one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17
* One came and said unto him, Good Master, What good thing shall I do, That I may have eternal life? And he said unto him. . . If thou wilt enter into life, Keep the commandments. Luke 19:16-17

And even Paul seemed to agree with Jesus on this (sometimes).
* The doers of the law shall be justified. Romans 2:13
* Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, We establish the law. Romans 3:31

No, They were only temporary.
After the birth of John the Baptist the laws no longer applied.
* The law and the prophets were until John [the Baptist]: since that time the kingdom of heaven is preached. Luke 16:16

* People are justfied by faith. The law doesn't matter.
* Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

If you've got grace, You don't need to obey the law.
* Ye are not under the law, But under grace. Romans 6:14

Jesus's body made you dead to God's laws.
* Ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ. . . . We are delivered from the law, That being dead. Romans 7:4, 6

Believe in Jesus and you can ignore the law.
* Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4

Jesus saved you from the curse of God's laws.
* Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law. Galatians 3:13

The laws are were meant to teach you about Jesus. Once you believe, You can ignore the laws.
* Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, That we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, We are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3:24-25

Ignore God's law. Be led by the Spirit instead.
* But if ye be led of the Spirit, Ye are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

Jesus destroyed the laws with his flesh, Nailing them to his cross.
* Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, Even the law of commandments contained in ordinances. Ephesians 2:15
* Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances. . . Nailing it to his cross. Colossians 2:14

Now notice one thing, Just one for your bearded eye that has no ability to see, With all the NT "christian" laws that supposedly made christians, Christians, How many of them were approved by your god? If you"ve answered 0, Then you"ve answered correctly. Thus "the law" DOES NOT EXIST. Its god that matters here and not an oafing cow christ who claimed himself to be the terrorist king of the swastika beach WITHOUT GOD"S PERMISSION. Thus jesus was false (if he ever even existed), Christianity is false and the entire NT is false. And since your god did not approve of any of "the law" in the NT, Then your god"s laws stands firm from the OT, Such as the stoning of gays, Death to those that blaspheme, Death to those that curse at their parents (which is also a OT and NT law), Death to those that work on the sabbath so jesus should have also been rightly butchered by that law, Death to those that commit adultery, Death to those that do not love and or worship god and or worship different gods etc etc etc like it or not, Too bad if you don"t.

Prove that the OT laws are false. That would obviously mean that you would have to prove that god is false from the OT and that the laws of the NT are correct which would mean that god"s understudy, Christ is correct, Thus you do not believe in god, And you believe in christ in which case is a massive hypocritical contradiction because you cannot prove that either of them has ever existed. You would also have to prove "what law" that undermines the OT laws? And exactly to the letter WHICH LAWS of the OT are to be no longer followed? All of them? If its all of them, Then you would have to prove ALL jews from all over the world throughout history are incorrect also. Good muck! Oh sorry. I meant to say Good luck! Yeah that's it. A deliberate miss-steak on my part.

Here"s how I run things. . . If there is the slightest hint of you inventing excuses from something in which you clearly know nothing about, Especially when its the subject in which you claim to professing you have knowledge upon, Namely this one, And you really don"t, And yet you pretend that you do by coming up with invented excuses and or flat out lying, I will insult you with my brand of insults that are original, Funny, Stupid, Deranged and walls to the ball insane, Unless those excuses are so far fetched that they are clearly pulled off from your groin to be a groin pull from the gold-i-lox area to keep scientists looking for other planets, Then all bets are truly off and I may end the debate right then and there because I DO KNOW my stuff, Whereas most don"t.

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The laws are not binding because they are from a fake book. Nerd you write too much. Quit being a gay democrat.
Debate Round No. 1


Hey jacka$$ with a stupid haircut who worships the worst president of all time and lists himself as being "jewish" who thus MUST think that that the OT laws are thus still in effect due to your soggy brain melting because its only a cabbage because its sunk into your you know were areas and is now only a cottage cheese zit, Your god in which you cannot even prove even exists according to YOUR torah was a true terrorizer not only to humans but to all life. But you in being a punk kid with a sawed off shotgun to his wiggly toes to help his noggin aligned for preschool battery powered easy baking water contests cannot possibly climb down from his rubber ducky howling at the moon to go "meow" and thus stay indoors and fly his kite with no wind. Do yourself a favor and come up with better insults because as you can clearly see I am soooooo much better at them than you are and you clearly suck and you know nothing but stupidity with your barn door open splattered your shower curtain. Bye.


The laws are not binding because they are from a fake book. Nerd you write too much. Quit being a gay democrat. Also please do not mention religion, My haircut, Or the president in this debate. Also I am a black 50 year old man that does not support Trump.
Debate Round No. 2


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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dsjpk5 3 years ago
Con argued the Pro position, And Pro argued the Con position. A couple of intellectual giants, Obviously.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
@timmyjames aka jack
People who misinterpret the bible like you, And interpret the bible correctly like you don't most of the time, To make it fit their wants, Needs and desires which is what every single so-called christian does all the time, No exceptions, None, Because there's no such a thing as a christian, Because there's no such a thing as following the bible, Hey you said it best "Not all Christians have the exact same interpretation of the Bible" of course you have a problem with it especially when it leads to your god committing deliberately calculated genocide and hating children when its right in front of your face in your bible and you cannot read your bible, Jack, And yeppers there's no such a thing as following your bible to its exact premise or even following your christ to his specific orders, Jack. No you do what you want to suit tour wants needs and desires jack.
Posted by timmyjames 3 years ago
Why did you call me Jack?
People who misinterpret the Bible to fit their needs even if they know it is wrong aren't Christians
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
The videos are not a thousand years old. I didn't have room in the last post to say that.

"If you go out tonight and you go to a movie and on your way back to your car and someone comes up to you and puts a gun to your head and they say "give me your wallet" and you refuse and they shoot you, Did you shoot yourself? But you knew if you didn"t hand over you wallet this guy was gonna shoot you. So if he shoots you did you make the decision to be shot? Like did you shoot yourself? No. OK. So how is God different? " Tracie Harris

"When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven? " And she"ll say "yes. " And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven? " So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, Raped, So you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, He must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick. " Phil Ferguson

"Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", Then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it. " Phil Ferguson

Hell like heaven doesn't exist. But let's suppose it does only according to you since you think you are so smart. I will be sent to hell simply because I do not believe in your sad pathetic whimpering jesus in which there is no proof for him having ever existed. If a person who rapes, Beats and tortures 6 five year old girls and then later finds your christ, He will get to go to heaven. What great morals your religion conveys. Want the verses? I am moral. Your completely bankrupt, Corrupt religion is not. Oh and oh yeah prove your god exists.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
None of these ideas are mine but are good thousand years old.
In just a few moments you will be proven 100% false that if you believe in your god, You have no free will. None. I, And billions of others since we do not believe in your tyrannical god, We do have free will.
But first ask yourself. . .
1. Your god could have taken all the evil out of free will but didn't. This proves himself to be a jack$$.
2. Your god if according to you gives free will to all allows the evildoer, Every---single---time, No exceptions, None, The first swing of the bat, The first swansong, And gives that power to the evildoer without exception and lays waste to the opposing/ suffering victims.
Yeah your god praises the evidoers.

Show me where in your bible it states anything to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants man free will. " In fact, Your bible doesn't even come close to saying that, Not anywhere in your bible. Not---even---close. So you do not have free will.
Also how can man have free will if your god does not have free will? If your god is omnipotent and can travel forward into time he will thus know what his choices/ free will is before his choices are before his free will has already have been made. That is not free will.
Hampering man of free will, Such as threatening a person with death/ taking a person's free will away like what 4 of the 10 commandments do as an example exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, That soul shall be cut off from among his people. " you do not have free will.

Here are 3 videos that prove that if you believe in your god you do not have free will.
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=hOaLlyRId4I - An All Knowing God versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lAqFbiBDb_c - Free Will With God
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=Z1BzP1wr234&t=5s+How - How God Favors
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
@GuitarSlinger - I really hate it when people like you pretend that they know something about what they claim to be of their subject matter and they really don't and yet they pretend that they do. And because they don't they invent excuses for it and or flat out lie. Tell me, Where do you get your information from? Its not the bible that's for sure.
Absolutely your god wants to punish people. Let's give you a morality test and see just how moral you are. If you answer "yes" to any of these 6 questions, Then you are as immoral as your god. All of these question 100% require a direct "n" answer. PE-IR-OD. No they Are not my questions. I have only rewritten them because DDO was not taking them in their original text. Btw, This is the OT. The NT is far worse in it immorality than the OT.
According to your god you should be put to death if you blaspheme. Do you think that's a good idea? Y____? N____? Leviticus 24:16, According to your god you should be put to death if you work on the sabbath. Do you think that's a good idea? Y____? N____? Exodus 31:14, And Numbers 15: 32-36, According to your god you should be put to death if you curse at your parents. Do you think that's a good idea? Y____? N____? Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, Mark 7:10, Matthew 15:4, According to your god you should be put to death if you commit adultery. Do you think that's a good idea? Y____? N____? Leviticus 20:10. That's directly from your 10 commandments. Here are some other things that YOUR god thinks you should be put to death for. . . According to your god you should be put to death if you are a homosexual? Do you think that's a good idea? Y___? N____? Leviticus 20:13, According to your god you should be put to death if you do not worship him. Do you think that's a good idea? Y____? N____? Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 and Deuteronomy 17: 2-5.

The next section will deal with free will. Really? God according to you gives man free will.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
@timmyjames - "Not all Christians have the exact same interpretation of the Bible. " VERY GOOD! Now what part of that don't you get as to why your god would never for a single moment rely on text as a form of communication, The worst form of communication possible? I'm not even going to bother reading one more single word you have to say until that sinks in and the light bulb twinkles on in that cabbage batbrain of yours, You know like when cartoon character get an idea?
But I will say this. . . "Not all Christians have the exact same interpretation of the Bible. " Now you know why your christ is the most fought after figure in the history of the human race. Yep this is the sludge that you believe in. . . War and hate. You just proved it with your statement and how "christians" like you especially misinterpret and do whatever the f--k they want to suit their wants, Needs and desires.
As stated before Timmy, Oh sorry, Jack, There's no consensus. You can't even get a consensus from 10 churches within a 20 mile radius on the most basic of what are supposed to be basic "christian" things. And I dared you to try it. Did you? Why no of course not. Now's your chance. Take the first chapter of genesis with oh say 5 different translations of it and see exactly what you get jackiebaby.
Posted by GuitarSlinger 3 years ago
God doesn't punish people. Hell is the absence of God. People choose "hell" of their volition. God simply gives people what they want.

Someone can choose to follow God, Obey his commandments and be with Him forever.
Conversely, Someone can choose to not follow God, To not wan to be with Him, Etc.

"God in the beginning created human beings and made them subject to their own free choice. Whichever the person chooses, God will honor that. God doesn't "send people to hell", They choose to go there based on their choices they make in life. If you choose, You can keep the commandments; loyalty is doing the will of God. Set before you are fire and water; to whatever you choose, Stretch out your hand. Before everyone are life and death, Whichever they choose will be given them. " Sirach 15:14-17
Posted by timmyjames 3 years ago
Not only is God love, But he is also just, He punishes sin. All of the verses where is says God is love but also vengeance are not contradictory. They are just perfect examples of how someone can be both loving and just at the same time
Posted by timmyjames 3 years ago
Not all Christians have the exact same interpretation of the Bible. No problem with that, They are all still saved because the salvation issues in the Bible are something that all Christians agree on. There are some minor issues in the Bible that some Christians might disagree on, But that's fine.

I understand that you also believe all religions are the same, So let's focus on that. Let's compare all other religions to Christianity and see if there is a difference. All other religions have this worldly leader. For Islam it's Muhammad, For Morman it's Joseph Smith, For Catholicism it's the Pope. All of these people claim that if you do all of these good deeds, If you follow steps 1-10, You can eventually earn your way up to God. But this is what Jesus says. "I have not come to show you the way, I am the way. " So there is a difference. All of the other religions tell you how you can get to God. Christianity however says no, God comes to you. Because you are a sinner, Jesus came for you, He came to save you from your sins.
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