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Are there contradictions in the Bible

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Started: 4/27/2018 Category: Philosophy
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jackgilbert

Con

I haven't fully read the Bible but I am willing to listen to any questionable contradictions you might thing are in the Bible. You can list up to 5 for the first round.
backwardseden

Pro

There are a good 1,000 super massive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies in your bible to truly make it unreadable. It is one of the main reasons why the christian god would ---never--- use text as a form of communication.

1. GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

2. GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
(that's really pathetic. If god is god, he should know EVERYTHING and not ask stupid questions like that one DUH)
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

3. GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

4. GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

5. GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.
Debate Round No. 1
jackgilbert

Con

1. Originally, when God created Adam and Eve, he created them to live forever. When he said the day you eat of the fruit you will surely die, it is talking about how it is the beginning of a death. Adam lived 930 years because he ate of the fruit. If he didn't, then he would have lived forever.

2. God is all knowing and already knew the answer to the question. He knew that Cain had killed Able. The reason he asked it was for the benefit of Cain, not himself. He wanted to give Cain a chance to repent.

3. God can still be a God of love and at the same time be a God of anger. In other words, he can have righteous anger. He is mad at sin because it goes against his holiness. He get's angry at us and punishes us for our own good. It's like when a father discipline's his son. He does it for a reason. If he didn't discipline us, then well, we would never learn from our sin. We would continue to make the same mistakes time after time. But when God punishes us, it teaches us that what we did was wrong. The fruit of the spirit is love joy peace patience etc. He can be all those things and at the same time be a God of anger. It would actually be a contradiction the other way around. If he wasn't a God of anger than he would not be a God of love because sometimes what is loving is discipline.

4. When it says Cain went out of the presence of the Lord it means that he was not with communion with him any more. It means he turned his back on God. He didn't physically hide himself from God as no man can.

5. The confusion in each of those verses is a different kind of confusion. It is kind of hard to go into, so here is a link to a website that I believe answers this objection the best.
https://carm.org...

If you take any of the verses out of context, the seem to be contradictory. That is why you need to look at the context in which these verses were written in.
backwardseden

Pro

1. "Originally, when God created Adam and Eve, he created them to live forever." Show me where it states that in your bible. Because if true, then that means that your god had no intention of creating any more humans so that the human race could fall. Regardless those two verses ARE direct contradictions.

2. "God is all knowing and already knew the answer to the question." If he already knew the answer the answer to that question, he wouldn't have asked that question. And once again you are guessing. You don't know or have the foggiest idea. Nowhere within those verses does it state that Cain had killed Able.

3. "God can still be a God of love and at the same time be a God of anger." Nope. Its a contradiction. Save yourself. There is no "In other words,..." considering the fact that you cannot even manage YOUR emotions. And since you can't, then wow, you cannot most certainly cannot make a guess that this god of yours can considering the fact that you cannot even prove that your god even exists.

"He get's angry at us and punishes us for our own good." He punishes us by murdering and truly hating children, you are a child, and babies and pregnant women in which is yet another major hypocritical contradictions(s) LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23. After all its perfectly OK for god to kill, but not man. AND since god killed pregnant women its committing abortions in which you christians are so against. so that's another contradiction by you christians as you do not follow your god.
"It's like when a father discipline's his son." No its not. Its far worse. OK this line of thinking is over.

4. "When it says Cain went out of the presence of the Lord it means that he was not with communion with him any more." Oh really? According to what? You? How do you know? You are a teeny bopper still stuck in high school who knows NOTHING about YOUR god in which you cannot even prove even exists and are CLEARLY guessing. The author of these contradictions and inconsistencies KNOWS one helluva lot better than you ---ever--- will. Not only that but these verses were used in the Scopes trial for a very good reason. AND that verse is used in the very famous play and one of the greatest film ---ever made "Inherit the Wind" for a very good reason also. Um no it totally false from your interpretation., the verse means that god could not find Cain. Simple.

5. What is so hard for you to understand? genesis 11:9 "Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion. Well by gum. What other type of confusion is there if not by language? So man cannot communicate with each other.
Btw, ANYTHING that Matt Slick states, and or ANYTHING that ANY creationist states is tossed to the trash and is completely worthless junk and is utter bile. Why? Because they, like Matt Slick a true darling masterwork of lice ridden maggots cannot stand behind their product, namely their god. In other words they will never put their god on trial again. The first was The Scopes Trial. In other words, they are not nearly as stupid nor ad dumb nor as slimy and as smug as you WITHOUT EVIDENCE. That's because they know that all they have is faith based oriented. And faith can never be proved. And since these pathetic woeful pieces of s--t will never put their god on trial again and are not able to stand behind their product AT ALL, it means that they cannot be trusted for any kind of truth.
"Faith is the reason people give when they don't have evidence." Matt Dillahunty. And he's right.

And now RD2 for contradictions.
1. GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.

2. 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
(tee hee THAT'S REALLY way beyond silly. So this is how I will defeat/ set up a defense against your god is if I have iron chariots. And all the nuclear bombs on earth and all the supernovas and all gamma ray bursts IN THE UNIVERSE EVER will not be a defense and not be able to defeat god, but alas, according to the schizophrenic of unsound mind in whoever wrote the damn thing bible *take a breath please* iron chariots will. Again this is proof as to why your god would never rely on text as as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible because of utterly silly verses like these that DO PROVE your god is NOT omnipotent and yet YOU in being the uttery imbecile that you are, in continually being proven wrong, you still search for truth in your bible. Now why is that when you haven"t proven one god damned thing?)

3. GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an "everlasting possession."
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.
Yep. god broke his promise. So either god is a liar, or not omnipotent and cannot fulfill ridiculous promises.

4. GE 18:20-21 God decides to "go down" to see what is going on.
"20 And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know."
(Since god didn't know what was going on according to VS 21, it means he's imperfect and not omnipotent which is yet another reason why this god of yours would ---never--- rely on text as a source of communication, the worst form of communication possible. Especially to prove himself false)
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

5. EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
(ah yes of MAJOR importance once again proving god's imperfection. If he was perfect, he would have required to have done this and would have automatically known the difference between who was jewish and who was Egyptian. Regardless it only proves how sickening and truly diseased god was to have smitten all of Egypt's first born for no reason when this god is "angry, in which no supreme deity every would be, to carry out his "wrath" and "vengeance" in which no supreme deity ever would against one man all because they wouldn't "let his people go" and yet this god of yours endorses slavery anyway!!!!!!!!!!)
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

So do your homework. No guessing. No flat out invented excuses and or lying, Bring in actual evidence. All creationists are null and void for obvious reasons as stated.
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Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
Sorry for that folks. Wrong debate.
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
"the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form. The super bacteria are not evolving, they are adapting. If they would have been evolving, then they would have become super bacteria hundreds of years ago," Oh really? That only shows how utterly stupid and totally ignorant you truly are considering the absolute fact that antibiotics were not used to treat infections until the 1900's on anything that is considered to be anywhere close to a mass scale, DO YOU EVEN F--KING KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? https://microbiologysociety.org...
And this is an easy google...
When was the first use of antibiotics?
Penicillin was the first antibiotic, discovered by Alexander Fleming in 1929, but it was not until the early 1940s that its true potential was acknowledged and large scale fermentation processes were developed for the production of antibiotics.Oct 8, 1999
Evolution is proven fact as you were just proven wrong and its too bad if you don 't like it. Deal with it teeny bopper rather than flat out inventing excuses.
"Can you disprove that the Bible"s prophecy... yadda yadda yadda" What bible prophecies? Oh you must mean the one(s) you made up from the top of your lil' ole beanie that fits inside of your you know where area even though the burden of proof is always upon you. No exceptions, none. And you don't get to say something happened, just YOU say it happened. But let's make you eat your scrotum soda with a few super easy to understand first grade nice huggable vidies.
* - Atheist Experience Russell Glasser and Phil Ferguson (this is bran spankin" new and took place on Sunday. You are essentially the caller, just as dimwitted and as purely gullible as he is.)
* - Bible prophesies - No!
Posted by canis 5 months ago
canis
"Are there contradictions in the Bible"... Would it matter ?..."Spiderman and Co with or without contradictions..
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
Great! Just checked! All the links work. The Dossier of Reason is HUGE. So I don't expect you to get through that. Bizviz is loaded with contradictions. American Atheists as well as 101 contradictions are easy to read but only contain a few contradictions. Now The Thinking Atheists, especially when it gets into the great flood, which is a joke unto itself, the biggest fallacy in your bible, thus proving all of your bible incorrect, because if one thing is incorrect, then the entire thing is incorrect, because after all, god's word must be perfect, is easy to access and read and has tons of contradictions and inconsistencies. The Secular Web, I think is the best, but it doesn't provide a link. So go there is you wish as it lists thousands of contradictions inconsistencies.
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
Why sure...
google "bible contradictions"
Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions - Secular Web - is a monster (the web addy won't show when input)
Nearly everything on The Atheist Experience is worth viewing. You can view this on youtube. There's at least 1,000 video's. Today some schmuck tried to prove god through jesus, god and the bible and prophesies but was naturally laughed at because he only proved himself to be a complete moron. It has been in business for 12+ years operating out of Austin, Texas as a non profit organization,, they take live calls from around the world every Sunday from 5:30pm - 7:30pm and they've never lost a debate. The call I am referring to takes place at 56:30

Don't know if any of these will allow access via debate.org outlet? If not goggle a search and you will find it!!!
https://www.scribd.com... - Dossier of Reason (a truly remarkable document)
http://bibviz.com... bizviz.com
https://www.atheists.org... American Atheists
http://www.answering-christianity.com... - 101 bible contradictions (this one is really good)
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com... The thinking Atheist (this one is really good)

and all I did was google "bible contradictions" You have a LOT of homework to do.
Posted by jackgilbert 5 months ago
jackgilbert
What is your information according to? You?
Posted by jackgilbert 5 months ago
jackgilbert
Dude, if this is based on evidence, then why don't you cite any of your sources?
Posted by backwardseden 5 months ago
backwardseden
Its still a major super massive hypocritical contradiction in your bible. You are inventing excises. You know it. You are showing desperation. "Death in scripture also refers to a seperation of the creature from God". So everybody is considered according to you - god when born in human form, and when they die, they are no longer considered to be god. And since when is god considered to be a "creature"? That's a good one. See, that's why you don't have any friends or loved ones is because you keep on inventing excuses to gain attention without evidence in which NOBODY of merit would ---ever--- believe.
Posted by tanner_1230 5 months ago
tanner_1230
Death in scripture also refers to a seperation of the creature from God, so in that sense Adam did die.
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