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backwardseden
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tugglelou
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Atheism is not a religion

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Started: 3/19/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

"The only way you can be a bad atheist is to believe in god." Matt Dillahunty
"You don't get to put your unreason upon the same shelf with my reason." Bill Maher

Now watch some vidies that proves atheism is not a religion
http://www.youtube.com... - Reasons for accepting atheism
http://www.youtube.com... - Bill Maher - Idiots must stop claiming atheism is a religion
http://www.youtube.com... - Atheism a religion?

Prove that atheism IS a religion.

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tugglelou

Con

Initially we must ask, what is a religion? A religion is something that people must believe, science is something that we are given evidence for until we have enough solid proof that an idea is 'true'. Personally I believe atheism is primarily a reliance on science, rather than religion.

So providing these definitions are sound, the question we are really asking is "Is science a religion?" When science was still in its infancy, perhaps it was not a religion. We were given hard facts; indisputable evidence for a series of proofs and laws that we subsequently decided were true. We knew Pythagoras was right because anyone could draw a right angled triangle and prove the length of sides followed his law. So at this point in time, atheism was not a religion.

Then came the dawn of quantum physics, of general relativity and of gravitational waves. Suddenly science shifted from something the masses could understand and prove - to something only a few select individuals could interpret. Then these individuals, with their access to their high-tech equipment, was able to translate the laws of nature for us and tell them to us; as science's voice. Does this not sound familiar? The priestly rituals in which a few select people claim to understand such complex issues as God's word seem awfully similar to this faith in a couple scientists. They are both issues that are not comprehensible to the masses so rely on a belief that the priest and the religion, or the scientist and the law of nature; are right.

I could ask any nerd whether quantum physics was a religion and they'd probably say 'Of course not! Look at the evidence!?' But when asked to point out the evidence to me; to prove it; to understand it; they would undoubtedly fail. So in this essence, there is nothing to distinguish a belief in science from a belief in religion. Just as the nerd will trust absolutely and unfaltering that the few top scientists in the country must be right, so too does the religious person trust absolutely and unfaltering that the word of God is right.

Maybe there are gravitational waves, maybe countless other weird and wonderful 'scientific' claims are true. But until they have understandable, indisputable evidence to back them up, they remain just as unfounded as religion. Science has become a faith and therefore atheism has become a religion.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

"Initially we must ask, what is a religion?" Not in this case. Sorry teeny bopper. Did yah even look up the definitions of "atheism"? Clearly not.
Atheism 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Now do you see the word "religion" stamped in among those two well defined definitions ANYWHERE? Therefore atheism is NOT a religion. Or do you like to invent definitions of your own which is what good ole christians who suckle their gym shorts with their pet piranha inside of them do all the time? Or does your imagination float on bricks like the 17 year old teeny bopper which shows you clearly are still stuck in high school? All atheism is, is EXACTLY TO-THE-LETTER what the two definitions of "atheism" are. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Those definitions of what atheism are, are more than well preserved in the vidies presented. Now had yah examined the vidies which is further evidence that atheism is NOT a religion and made an attempt to counter them in which case they are irrefutable, then this debate may have continued. But nah its too much to ask the typical christian, and don"t you dare deny that you are, to actually look at some actual evidence especially when slapped in the face with it, as you completely ignore it. Thus I shall completely ignore you.

You had your chance. You blew it. THE END. Bye.
tugglelou

Con

"Atheism" is literally "a" meaning without and "theism" meaning the belief in supernatural beings. Clearly it"d be impossible to argue that by the standard definition, atheism is a religion. However, what I can argue is that the majority of people are currently mislabelling themselves as atheists. My argument tries to emphasise that the "atheist" today has just as much blind belief as a religious person. Personally I think this is a perfectly valid comparison to make.

Also, pretty irrelevant to this debate but to refute your rant against me, I would consider myself an atheist. However the lack of evidence atheists rely on nowadays makes me uncomfortable. Atheists used to have a reason to believe they had a superior belief- they had evidence. As I"ve said before, the fact that evidence has become too complex to understand changes atheism to nothing more than an unfounded belief in science. Can you point to one difference between modern atheism and religion?! Because if there are none, unfortunately atheists have lost the moral high ground and the common atheist is mislabelling himself. The 21st century seems to be a time when atheists may have to relable themselves as theists who believe in the religion of science. I"m predominantly arguing for a label change, not a definition change!

Finally to refute one of the points made in the comments, I think that atheism is no longer a belief in ideals that can be changed as the evidence stacks against us. This sad moment recognises the extinction of one of atheist"s best traits- it"s plasticity. Modern science has become something unwilling to change as its theories. Instead we increasingly try to cram bits of evidence into old broken theories. We invent "dark matter" to fill the voids of our understanding. Atheism used to be a wonderful way to question life, to constantly improve our understanding. However we have come to love our theories and our proofs so much that we have lost atheism"s fundamental blessing. We have lost the ability to mound atheism to the evidence we have. And with that, atheism has become as static as religion.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

I decided to continue this debate for this round to humiliate, degrade, and dehumanize you further because you absolutely deserve it. "Atheism" is literally "a" meaning without and "theism" meaning the belief in supernatural beings." Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What grade of gnawing hourglass princess in the brain disfigurements of the you know where area excuses did you come up with that one? Um no I pay attention to the dictionary definition as well as the vidies in which you clearly didn't vidie once again as I only read your one sentence, with another that caught my eye in which will be gotten to a little later, to know that it was enough to know that your argument was a dimwitted dullard idiot box of utter lack of any reasoning, thinking, rationalizing, common sense nor logic in which your god, religion, and bible has none.

Now your second sentence that caught my hand grenade weight loss program for garlic onion beer sufferer's "Also, pretty irrelevant to this debate but to refute your rant against me," Nope. Not when you flatly invent excuses form something in which you clearly know nothing about and yet you pretend that you do and you have to make up for borrowed time by inventing excuses for a subject in which you think is part of your mainstay and its all dried up. That's something you will learn in college should you ---ever--- get that far. And if you ---ever--- want a genuine friend or loved one in the world as so many here on debate.org don't have, and its a HUGE red flag, then you should never do it. And if you do it to your teachers = instant F.

One more thing before I sign off to your pitter patter babble bumbling babbling baby brained reject... "Atheism is a response to a single claim, that some god exists. We don"t believe that"s true so we"re atheists. And that"s all it means." Jen Peeples And she's right. And you are wrong. Now do yourself some good. Stop inventing excuses. Examine the vides. Wash your undies.
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@missmedic - Yeah I especially agree with you on that one. I've always said for a good 30 years or so that religion explains the unexplained.

And with what you said that's to the letter why all creationists have no credibility nor integrity. They're not stupid enough to put god on trial again. They 100% know that they will lose because all they have is faith based oriented. And faith cannot be proved. Its a belief. So until god shows up...
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
Religion is the faith based belief in something supernatural.
Science gets faith from knowledge. Religion gets knowledge from faith.
Scientific knowledge is provisional. Religious knowledge is dogmatic and immutable.
Science encourages doubt and religion discourages doubt.
Science is about intellectual honesty, religion is about belief and believing belief is a choice, when it is not.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
So if that is true, this god would not require text (any books or bible"s), faith, when this god/could simply talk to us? This god did do just that according to his corrupted bible even though he did corrupt a few of his prophets, so regardless even when this god guy is supposed to be talking to us, how are we to be sure its this supreme eminence? And not something that is fake? Its all very confusing. Probably as confusing as your god wants it, in which there"s no proof for this god having ever existed in the first place. It is only the belief in this god that creates all this chaos and panic.
Now according to YOUR corrupt bible and its god, he ORDERS you to believe in him, or you DIE. DT 13: 9-10 and DT 17: 2-5. He hates gays, endorses slavery, gets jealous, he wants you to die if you work on the sabbath, commit adultery, he's admitted several times that he IS evil, has admitted more that several times that he hates children and babies and knowingly causes their pain and horrific suffering, hates women, loves rape, commits abortions, loves cannibalism, loves his deliberate genocides etc etc etc? Would you like the LOVELY verses? Nah you are such a true vile coward. Even if shown them, you will not admit they are true. You only accept what YOU want. That"s what entitles YOU to be a christian.

Atheism by YOUR made up unschooled teeny bopper definition is a religion. But not by its true definition. And not by those who know better.

And the best, the very best part, since you think you are so smart with your happy harry hard off that glues you to absolutely no ones gum under the seat, go ahead right now and prove that your god exists! You are such a jacka$$ that fully deserves his position in life. No genuine friends or loved ones, no edumacation, no intelligence, no nothing, and stuck in a burning collapsing building in which you brought the gasoline for.

Man can and does just fine without god. god can not do without man. Man MUST feed god our faith.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
So yep. That's what religion is and that's especially true of what faith is when defining faith as part of religion.

Everything god is, is based on religion (a set of beliefs) and faith. And faith can not be proved. Faith is something that is pulled from air. Its like pouring gasoline all over yourself and then running into a burning collapsing building. Why do you think creationists will not put god on trial again? Its because they 100% know they will lose. There's nothing at all they can prove as everything they have is faith based oriented. Faith lacks common sense, thinking, rationalizing, logic, and reason as religion, the bible and god requires none. But it does require your utmost obedience. And you hand it over like a wet moldy sock that you have for a brain if you believe in god through absolute gullibility as there"s nothing tangible. There"s no evidence for god, certainly nothing scientific in the bible. Even the very definition of faith is self defeating. Faith 2. belief that is not based on proof: (well duh) And then the World English Dictionary definition of faith is 1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence (well duh and double duh) 4. a conviction of the truth of certain doctrines of religion, esp when this is not based on reason. So yep. That's what religion is and that's especially true of what faith is.
Now do you really think that a "god"/ supreme deity would be stupid enough to communicate in text form, the worst form of communication possible, so man could get it wrong over at least 2,000 years with no updates and copies and copies and copies and translations upon translations and dead languages upon dead languages in which none of them lead back to the original source because there isn"t one? So how is it that you or anyone is interpreting correctly? YOU NOR ANYBODY IS.
And the best part is" do you really think that a god/ supreme deity would instill faith when this god is supposed to be omnipotent?
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI - Do you really have to continue to prove that you are a complete imbecile to all of mankind that reads your weed whacker for your brain posts? I guess you do. Oh but I did define my terms. But then again you are a christian, and like nearly all christians here on debate.org, especially teeny boppers like yourself, YOU CAN"T READ. I specifically stated "Prove that atheism IS a religion." Now goo goo ga ga what part of that doesn"t your pecker cherry bush NOT understand about that? Yeah you DESERVE to STILL be in high school without an education as well as no intelligence and no genuine friends or loved ones.
Oh you REALLY want to get into definitions moron? OK.
Here"s the Definition of Religion followed by the definition of Faith. Religion: 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. (notice how the definition used the word "beliefs") 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: (same thing) 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: (same thing) 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. (same thing but this time the definition uses the word "faith") Faith 2. belief that is not based on proof: (well duh) And then the World English Dictionary definition of faith is 1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence (well duh and double duh because there is no evidence for god NONE) 4. a conviction of the truth of certain doctrines of religion, esp when this is not based on reason. God is not based on reason because he is based of faith. And faith is not evidence. There"s also far too much hate within god.
Posted by jtlove 3 years ago
jtlove
gameprogrammer:

A belief is an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists (oxford dictionary).

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists. (Wikipedia)

It's funny the 3rd video in the Pro's first round said...Atheism is not the belief of there is no God, instead, the gentlemen claimed atheism was a proposition of...

A God exists, True or False?
Theist says true, and the atheist says false.

So, I'll assume the gentleman was trying to infer atheism is the non-belief in God as defined by Christianity.

Just about every cognitive decision a person makes is based on a system of beliefs, or what we might call a Belief System. The only way a person cannot have a belief would be to be brain dead. Call it a play on words, but atheism is the belief of, God does not exist. A belief in the negative is still a belief.

Some scholars define religion as a cultural system of behaviors, practices, and ethics.

What Con is trying to say is Religion is the belief in something, therefore Atheism is a religion of non-belief.

This definition would fit the definition of a Belief System because the atheist would make life decisions based on his/her non-belief in the Christian God. This would affect their views on morals and values, and would not hold the same morals and values as that of a Christian.
Posted by gameprogrammer 3 years ago
gameprogrammer
If religion is defined as some kind of belief and atheism is defined as a lack of belief, how can it be a religion when it's definition suggests the opposite?

Bald is not a hair color either.
Posted by JamesTook 3 years ago
JamesTook
Atheism is the religion of China, come join us here Backwardseden.
Posted by lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI 3 years ago
lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI
Pro asserts "Atheism is not a religion". Pro does not define his terms, meaning Con can assert certain definite definitions.
Atheism: disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
religion: a particular system of faith.
faith: trust or confidence in someone or something.
confidence: the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something; firm trust.
Atheism is, by definition, a religion. Pro wants to argue literal semantics and does little to provide an actual argument.
Posted by Truth-Over-Emotion 3 years ago
Truth-Over-Emotion
Agnostic atheism(?)
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