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Banning Guns

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Started: 6/1/2019 Category: Fashion
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Dr.Franklin

Con

Pro start. . .
anc2006

Pro

well guns are bad it can kill people. That is all to say.
Debate Round No. 1
Dr.Franklin

Con

ok and cars can too but we don't ban them
anc2006

Pro

Sorry for that careless argument, I was partying and there was no reason to stop and type a 3000-characters argument to a debater worse than backwardseden.

but let's get real here.

Reason#1: it's intended to harm people, Not accidentally.

you can argue fireworks' gun-powders are the very thing the french fire their violent cannons, But the difference is when the asian invented the "gunpowders" it's not used as a weapon, Nor if it's intended to. They discover it as the beat material to make signaling or celebrating fireworks. But guns are different. It just utilizes the same material with a whole different purpose. Today teens play with virtual AK-47 guns not knowing inventing guns are a mistake. Soon the inventors of the guns discover it can break things from far-away, They start attack the criminals. Now there are wars going on at any part of the world and guns are just used as it is invented: to break objects(the opponents' soldiers, And even that could be not right); but the United States are a peaceful country and many times guns are accidentally or deliberately used to enlarge the problem instead of solving it. People use it to terrorist attack the US, Instead attack the real wrong. Really, Handing something that is intended to be used in righteousness to a person that is already in vain and evil is extra risky, And that's why guns should be banned.

"ok and cars can too but we don't ban them"

unless you are talking about military cars(and even that was only handled by the righteousness people in the country), Normal cars are not intended to kill. They are supposed to be a transportation tool. You could argue guns aren't supposed to kill, Because it's how it is not how people use it; however, The most important job of the guns is to attack, And transportation for cars. So i can make a table:
gun car
intended to kill maybe no
people use it to kill yes maybe

this explains everything i've said. Guns are intended to kill and cars aren't. Guns are also harmful and that's why we should ban it, Not something else like cars.
Debate Round No. 2
Dr.Franklin

Con

well this is easy, Cars are statistically more dangerous than guns and guns stop 800 to 2 million violent crimes per year.
anc2006

Pro

Do a real argument instead of making nothing more than a claim( not even).

Refute:

"Cars are statistically more dangerous than guns and guns stop 800 to 2 million violent crimes per year"

one thing at a time.

first, Why even bother to bring cars to this? This is a debate about whether we should ban guns or not, Not if cars are harmful or not. I use cars to justify that guns are far more harmful than cars and cars aren't weapons (well except for military used ones but those are exceptions because they contain guns also). Yet you just use a car evidence to drift away with your thing you started yourself.

second, Guns are weapons, Get it right. I hope your neighborhood doesn't use guns for every single thing. Guns are weapons and nukes are weapons and nukes are banned. When guns are first invented the world bans it from being used by the people in commons. So in that time guns cause the same threats as what nukes did to the ww2. Guns are as dangerous as missiles.

are you telling me you are a military officer? A former one? A disgraceful and sacrilegious descendant of the ww2 hero? If yes, I will awake the dead and let FDR see what you are doing here ruining the world.

are you telling me you own cannons? Why, Tell me cannons are as harmful as guns but are banned. Seeing a portable and harmful cannot being shot from random people, Seeing more people dying.

tell me, Political 12inchbeef.

and lastly, What you are saying about guns solving violence, It is just solving violence with violence. That isn't going to work, Consider the most casualty of a duel between a good person and a bad person is 2, With 2 bullets each crossing the other's chest. Using violence against violence is more violence, And if that continues this way, That is never going to end or end good. Eventually guns will be overpowered and the UN being powerless if this happens.

that's it. Guns are bad. Be peaceful :)
Debate Round No. 3
Dr.Franklin

Con

you know what you bad so now i am going to SLAUGHTER YOU WITH FACTS

1. Over 98% of mass shootings happen in "gun free zones. "

According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, So-called "gun free zones" have been targets of more than 98% of all mass shootings " this is why they are often fittingly referred to as "soft targets. "
"According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, Only a little more than 1 percent of mass public shootings since 1950 have occurred in places that were not considered to be a gun-free zone. In fact, As Crime Prevention Research Center President John Lott Jr. Noted in October 2015, Only two mass shootings in the U. S. Since 1950 have occurred in an area where citizens were not prohibited from carrying a gun, " reports The Blaze.
Former Vice President Joe Biden introduced the Gun-Free School Zones Act(GFSZA) to the U. S. Senate in 1990 and it was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush. 2. Gun ownership does not correlate with a higher homicide rate.
More guns do not equate to a higher homicide rate, Despite what the Left purports. In comparison to countries like Russia, Venezuela, And Mexico, The United States has an exceedingly higher number of guns per capita, Yet a lower homicide rate.

And take the Swiss, For example. The nation of about 8 million is armed to the bone, With an estimated 2 million guns in circulation while boasting limited gun legislation. Demonstrating that gun ownership does not correlate with the homicide rate, Switzerland saw less that 120 homicides committed with a gun, Per government data, As noted by USA TODAY. They also boast a low crime rate.
Additionally, Data analysis from John R. Lott, Jr. , In his aptly titled book "More Guns, Less Crime, " has revealed that more guns can equate to less crime.

3. Gun bans are ineffective " yes, Even the much-touted "gun buyback" program in Australia.
According to a Center for Disease Control (CDC) report, "Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence, " gun turn-in programs are "ineffective":
There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, As noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, In 2009, An estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), But gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1, 000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, Buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, For example, Guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al. , 2002).
Additionally, As noted by The Daily Wire, A British Journal of Criminology study from 2007 and a 2008 University of Melbourne study found that Australia's temporary gun ban did not appear to effect the already declining homicide rate.
"Prior to 1996, There was already a clear downward [trend] in firearm homicides, And this pattern continued after the buyback, " wrote Crime Research Prevention Center President John Lott of Australia. "It is hence difficult to link the decline to the buyback. "
And after Britain implemented a similar gun ban, They had increased homicides in the following five years, Until "Britain beefed up their police force, " notes Lott. 4. There's a correlation between higher gun ownership and fewer mass public shootings.
Between 1977 and 1999, "right-to-carry laws reduced both the frequency and the severity of mass public shootings; and to the extent to which mass shootings still occurred, They took place in those tiny areas in the states where permitted concealed handguns were not allowed, " found Bill Landes of the University of Chicago and Lott.

5. Defensive gun use is higher than criminal firearm use.
The instances in which guns are used for self-defense far outpaces the criminal use of firearms. The Daily Wire previously reported:
The number of defensive gun uses are higher than the number of criminal firearm uses. There was a range of 500, 000 to over 3 million defensive gun uses in 2013, According to research from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council published by the CDC. That same year, There were 11, 208 firearm homicides and 414, 562 nonfatal illegal gun uses, According to the CDC and National Justice Institute, Respectively. Even when taking the low end of the defensive gun uses, It's clear that there are more defensive gun uses than criminal gun uses by Americans.

6. The government has failed to protect us time and again.
The government has failed us time and again when it comes to potential mass killers. Take this last school shooting in Florida, For example. Recent reports have confirmed that "the FBI was warned specifically about the Parkland shooter not once, But twice " and did nothing, " "the Broward County Sheriff"s deputies were called to the home of the Parkland shooter at least 39 times since 2010, " the "Sheriff"s Office was warned multiple times about the Parkland shooter, " and that "an armed officer was present during the shooting and did nothing. "

And the FBI has dropped the ball in other recent catastrophes, Too:
The Fort Lauderdale airport gunman told the FBI he was being mind controlled by the CIA before the rampage.
The Pulse nightclub shooter was on the terrorist watch list for two years and then taken off the list before he murdered in the name of Islam.
A 2014 report concluded that the FBI failed to act on warning signs over the would-be Boston marathon bombers.
And the list goes on.
How can the answer to government incompetence or malfeasance be to disarm the masses further and to rely even more heavily on the same institutions that have failed us?
anc2006

Pro

Wow. You actually tried. Didn't see your potential coming.

but your arguments are strongly flawed at the beginning, So none of your research is on the original path. What banning guns actually means isn't as what you mean, Taking them away or not even, It's more like not even give them guns at the first place. Suppose your country bans porn, Then do they give it to you then take it back for force, OR NOT EVEN GIVE IT TO YOU? I think the second choice.

guns are bad, I said it 3 million times (not really) already. It is intended to be used as a weapon killing people. And yet if i want to really reduce gun counts, Do i give them to everybody then take it back for force, Or do i prevent more people from getting it? I suppose the second choice is more efficient. If you take them back by force, Then you won't getting them back without violence. If you prevent people from getting it by education or preventing anybody new from getting it, Then it would be solved peacefully.

"According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, Only a little more than 1 percent of mass public shootings since 1950 have occurred in places that were not considered to be a gun-free zone. In fact, As Crime Prevention Research Center President John Lott Jr. Noted in October 2015, Only two mass shootings in the U. S. Since 1950 have occurred in an area where citizens were not prohibited from carrying a gun, "

well i could agree, But your point of view means guns are the only bendable weapons by law. In fact no. In some countries cannons are used by people for fun, Others need contracts to buy knives. KNIVES. Their knives is equivalent to our guns. In specifically dangerous areas knives are used for mass killing instead of a cooking device. Somebody ought to talk about firearms not guns, And i respond:

if knives and firearms create more violence than guns, Then we might as well ban them from used outside of appropriate area too.

and also what you say "gun-free zones", If there is a gun free zone there is a gun zone. If you don't ban them completely not by force, They'll spread too. Not everybody is others' maiden. If the people in gun zones can use it appropriately then prevent anybody outside of this category from even entering the place, Because they will illegally steal guns.

"The number of defensive gun uses are higher than the number of criminal firearm uses. There was a range of 500, 000 to over 3 million defensive gun uses in 2013, According to research from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council published by the CDC. That same year, There were 11, 208 firearm homicides and 414, 562 nonfatal illegal gun uses, According to the CDC and National Justice Institute, Respectively. Even when taking the low end of the defensive gun uses, It's clear that there are more defensive gun uses than criminal gun uses by Americans. "

do we actually know what is defensive and what is aggressive? No one knows. People can push their problem so easily. Imagine a man killing another man on his front door, Being convicted of crime, He can just say that he's defending. Using this vague line isn't enough.

also a piece of dirt can ruin a glass of wine, An illegal gun use can ruin a neighborhood. That ratio is technically already fatal. If more than 5% of gun uses are illegal then we really should do something. Anything about the government may be their fault, But if we just leave everything to the government, That isn't ethical either.
Debate Round No. 4
Dr.Franklin

Con

no evidence
anc2006

Pro

hands down
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by anc2006 1 month ago
anc2006
Who are idiots though?
Posted by robouryman 1 month ago
robouryman
Just ban idiots; problem solved.
Posted by backwardseden 3 months ago
backwardseden
@Devils_Left_Toe - Hey sweat piece of rear end wipe who uses a match to strike fair is foul under his you know where areas to pretend he actually knows what he is talking about but can't even spit out any truism within his vowels. . . Did yah actually google what was ponyied unto you in the previous post AND did yah actually look up the RESEARCH that was posted to PROVE that your dimwitted dullard snot meat sow info really isn't much of anything that is worthwhile in posting at all because its not even negligible? Oh and oh yeah, Where'd yah get your info from? Pimps like you are all alike. You post something that is so meatball mind caved in that even if proved, It really doesn't matter. Oh and btw, Those mass shooting your posted, The good ole U. S. Of A. Is more than very happy to commit these mass shooting atrocities within a 3 month time period nowadays. Yeah a lot of it has to do with republican morons. Yep and due to the fact that Donald Toilet Dust Trump, The worst president of all time is not budging on the issue, You can count on it that more, A lot more, Mass shootings are going to occur. Just because you are a simpleton moron who twiddles his tinker toy pixie sticks between his noseguard lips and pretends its moss that he will plant in his garden for a Sponge Boob let go of your ego party, That doesn't mean the entire universe does. I'm so very glad I made your day better. Please do not even dream about posting me again unless you have something intelligent to say. Yeah. DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH.
Posted by anc2006 3 months ago
anc2006
@Devils_Left_Toe
well if banning guns create firearm crimes, We might as well ban firearms too.
not banning guns because virginia people use them properly is unfair to the rest of the us.
Posted by anc2006 3 months ago
anc2006
@Devils_Left_Toe
well switzerland and finland and sweden have the most advanced educations in the world. This is talking specifically about the US.

in sweden it's like a club and in the US it's a green tent full of soldiers. That's how it is. If you give something they use to just protect that we use to attack, That would be dangerous.

we cannot trust everybody having an appropriate gun ownership. Some people especially in the us and russia treat guns like war weapons rather than self defensive tools.

and to the american citizen, You can be more respectful with the guns.
Posted by Devils_Left_Toe 3 months ago
Devils_Left_Toe
@backwardseden
Let's not be an assholish prick for this one and speak the English language.

1. Public ownership of firearms does not correlate with increased crime rates
2. Public banning of firearms does not correlate with decreased crime rates

Let's take a look at some mass shootings that happen in Europe since 2016
January 14 Marseilles, France: 0 dead, 6 injured
January 31 Shlisselburg, Russia: 2 dead, 3 injured
March 13 Vahrenheide, Germany: 1 dead, 5 injured
March 27 Yakovlevskoye, Russia: 1 dead, 3 injured
April 2 Marseille, France: 3 dead, 3 injured
April 22 Naples, Italy: 2 dead, 3 injured
May 8 Chesnokov, Russia: 5 dead, 0 injured
May 22 Nenzig, Austria: 2 dead, 11 injured
June 5 Moscow, Russia: 0 dead, 4 injured
June 23 Ayia Napa, Cyprus: 3 dead, 2 injured
July 2 Zitiste, Serbia: 5 dead, 22 injured
July 22 Munich, Germany: 9 dead, 27 injured
August 22 Ternopil, Ukraine: 3 dead, 1 injured
August 30 Solotvyno, Ukraine: 1 dead, 3 injured
September 3 Yekaterinburg, Russia: 2 Dead, 7 Injured
October 7 Copenhagen, Denmark: 1 Dead, 3 injured
December 4 Knyazychy, Ukraine: 4 dead, 0 injured
December 14 Olsha, Russia: 2 dead, 3 injured
December 27 Moscow, Russia: 0 Dead, 5 Injured

Now, You may be asking, Where are Switzerland and Finland? They have the highest number of firearms per capita, So why aren't they on there? We also see a similar dynamic in the United States too in Virginia. Virginia has a high rate of ownership and a low crime rate compared to the rest of the states.
Did you know the UK also had a ban on firearms in 1997? And guess what? There was an immediate rise in firearm homicide rates by around 20%. The UK ban did not reduce crime, There was a increase.

So either something is wrong with your search results, Or you are just being ignorant
Posted by Dr.Franklin 3 months ago
Dr.Franklin
awwwwwww the old bag loser who looks like a mess in his youtube channel can't prove one thing. Guess what fuktard, Naming liberal sources and buzzfeed doesnt prove your point. You didnt read my point because I destroyed you. Bye loser
Posted by backwardseden 3 months ago
backwardseden
Awe poopy doll Dr. Franklin and his huggable neanderthal christ cereal gall stone that he munches on for his brookfest in which he's just a bad dildo breath, As always cannot prove one itty bitty little thing. . .
Scientific American "More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows"
Vox "Places with more guns have more homicides"
NBER "More Guns, More Crime - NBER"
NIJ "Gun Violence | National Institute of Justice" cont'd "Most homicides in the United States are committed with firearms, Especially handguns. "
Buzzfeed News "More Guns, More Crime, Finds 30-Year US Study - BuzzFeed News" cont'd "Scientists Showed How More Guns Led To More Violent Crime"
"Guns, More Crime Mark Duggan - Jstor" cont'd "Topics: Gun ownership, Homicide, Criminal legislation, Violent crimes, Criminals, Homicide rates, Firearms, Property crimes, Crime rates"

Oh and hey idiot battery powered easy bake oven brain, Guess what search I did to come up with those that were right on top of a very simple search? Duh. "guns increases more crimes" That's it! So shut your meow barking at the moon hole because you have nothing to show for your as always arrogant ignorant Donald Trump, The worst president of all time who has so many things in common with your god because he believes he is god, Who wants to build a wall ooooo wowzers idiot in which if completed WILL NEVER WORK,
I'm so very glad I made your day better. Please do not post me again unless you have something intelligent to say. Oh and btw, I didn't read what you printed in your post to me. Guess why? Its because I have risen above you. So---has---everybody---else. Gosh!
Posted by anc2006 3 months ago
anc2006
woah
Posted by Dr.Franklin 3 months ago
Dr.Franklin
it doesn't matter backwardsman guns are used to stop more crimes and Britain banned guns and saw increases in crime. Fuktard
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