Can a homosexual be a christian?
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KhalifV
| Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 7/19/2014 | Category: | Religion | ||
| Updated: | 7 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
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 Con  Pro Con has made a number of unsubstantiated assertions: 1. Homosexuals can't go to heaven(assuming heaven exists) 2. Homosexuality is immoral 3. The bible is true. I'm not going to deal with these, but notice how his view is influenced by these presuppositions. I wonder if Con really thinks homosexuals deserve death. Such a view is laughable. Well since con didn't give any real arguments, I'm not going to overkill the argument 1st Point: Omnipotence: In Christianity god is omnipotent. Omnipotent:"(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything." So if it is the case god is omnipotent, he can do anything, including allowing homosexuals into heaven: P1: An omnipotent god exists P2: There is nothing an omnipotent god can't do C: An omnipotent god can allow gays into heaven. (This is purely on the basis of omnipotence, however if con can effectively tackle the prior syllogism, I will add in omnibenevolence and I will win 100%/). Nature: P1) If an omnipotent god exists and created the universe(natural and super-natural), he created it according to his will. P2) All natural occuring events (in regards to natural laws and natural events), happen to his will. P3) If homo-sexuality occurs naturally, it happens of god's will P4) Homosexuality is natural C) Homosexuality happens according god's will,and wouldn't penalise them.(True by virtue of omnibenevolence) Defense of P4: I don't have to even defend it in regards to humans, it shall be more effective in regards to non-humans. Animals that do not pass the mirror test are not self-aware, so there acts are natural, by default. Animals exhibiting honosexuality: 1. Rams 2. Laysan Albatrosses 3. Barn Owl 4. Koala 5. Lion 6. Brown Bear 7. Anole 8. Wood Turtle 9. Dog 10. Bison These are 10 non-self aware animals that display homosexuality. I think this is a good basis for thinking homosexuality occurs naturally. There's no reason to think it is selective in humans and natural and all other animals. Semantic Argument :): Christian:A Christian (  pronunciation (help·info)) is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. (Technicially I can just find 1 gay follower of jesus, I win, but that's too easy) What did jesus say about homosexuality?: “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12) Eunuch has a different meaning in this context. ." This terminology ("born eunuchs") was used in the ancient world to refer to homosexual men. Argument from politics and biology: P1)Babies who have a parent in the church are counted as christian. P2)If homosexuality is natural, some of these babies are homosexual. C) If they are homosexual via genetics and christian by P2, then the baby is homosexual and christian. Sources: http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://dictionary.reference.com... |
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Con Pro Responses: Con did not respond to my political argument. My omipotence point was that god could let homosexuals into heaven. P1) God can do anything (True by virtue of omnipotence) P2) Only Christians get into heaven (Asserted by the bible) P3) God can let somehomosexuals into heaven (True by virtue of omnipotence) C1) some homosexuals are Christian (Natural consequence) Con Says: "God is omnipotent, but also omniscient, meaning ALL KNOWING. He knows all things. The way they are and the way they should be. Explain this to me. If God clearly states in HIS word that homosexuality is a SIN, then why in the world would he just give up on this statement and say,"Oh, well, I will abandon everything I have ever taught my children, and let them live their life." This isn't a does god exist debate? But for the record god can't actually be omnipotent or omniscient. Well all that means is that the bible is non-sense. It contradicts itself. However according to the verse I quoted, you're commentary is inaccurate. Homosexuality is natural: This seems to be con's main contention. He states:" Even if there are homosexual animals, which I haven't even heard of, we are humans... Not animals. And if you believe in evolution, well that is a whole other topic. But God created animals with certain qualities, and us with certain qualities. I mean, I'm not a giraffe or lion. I'm not even closely related. They're another SPECIES! That doesn't mean homosexuality occurs in men and women!" Well first I should have to say you have not studied any ethology ever. So you're saying because you're not really closely related to those animals, you can't be naturally homosexual? Ok I'll except that but what about the Bonobo? We share 99% of their DNA. So is there homosexuality in Bonobo's?  YES. High ranking female Bonobo's invite low ranking Bonobo's to have sex. [Sex] is used to reduce stress and competition, develop affiliations, express and test social relationships and for reconciling conflicts and consoling victims in distress. So you are extremely closely related to these homsoexual Bonobo's. Factors Of Human Homosexuality: The size of the INAH3 Xq28 gene:An analysis by Hu et al. duplicated and refined the prior findings. The study revealed that 67% of gay brothers in a new saturated sample shared a marker on the X chromosome at Xq28. Hormonal fluctuations. Increases in stress correlated to increased homosexuality. . In 1990, Dick Swaab and Hofman reported a difference in the size of the suprachiasmatic nucleus between homosexual and heterosexual men. Conclusion: It seems to be the case that homosexuality is natural. So why would a god outlaw homosexuality eventhough it's natural. But it seems jesus(the central Christian figure) doesn't say much about it. This is why Christianity is almost untenable. This is what I feel I'm looking at, when studying Christianity: Convoluted Rube-Goldberg Machine -.-  http://en.wikipedia.org... http://news.sciencemag.org... http://www.bbc.co.uk... |
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Con jo021698j forfeited this round.
Pro FF. I proved homosexuality was natural. Also to suggest homosexuals can't be Christian because they sin, is to suggest Christians don't sin, which is false. Homosexuality is perfectly fine. :) |
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Vote Placed by YaHey 7 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: FF.
Vote Placed by I-AM-AWESOME 7 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: jo021698j's argument is poor.
This is why the Abrahamic god is incomprehensible
"In Abrahamic contexts, sin is the act of violating God's will."
Well if everything naturally acts according to god's will and homo\sexuality is natural, then homosexuality is in accordance with gods will. It's just so convoluted. It's a damn rube goldberg machine!!!!
But a sodomite is a person rude to strangers/outsiders, that's what it really means if you actually studied the bible=-most christians can't argue 1 point about the bible, it's frightening.
With the correct definition of 'sodomy' in place, i'm sure we can all agree that the true sodomites, are of course chrstiians.
Also, matt, mark, and lluke all reveal that chrstianithy only has one rule-it's the easiest religion in historyy ot practice-pehraps why it's also the most immoral philosophy ever. theres only one rule you cant break and you hear it in their words, in between their sophistry and lies-you must accept the zombie god as the one true god and your savior-if you dont do that, you go to their hell, whichc is fine as it's the only alternative to hanging out with the sodomites for all eternity. But sorry, gays won't be punished, only non-christians.
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I will vote on this btw