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Capitalism is better than socialism/communism

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Started: 9/20/2018 Category: Politics
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SamuelZimmerman

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Capitalism is the greatest type of economy, Because it allows people to change their financial status through hard work. In other types of economy, The government controls where the money goes, And competition between businesses is nonexistent, Because there are none. Capitalism is one of the things that makes people work hard not just for their country, But for themselves. When a company's own money is on the line, It allows them to work hard to please the consumer. On the other hand, When the government has a monopoly on business and decides where the money goes, People are less encouraged to work hard to serve their country, Do their job well, Or even work at all. A socialistic or communistic economy is far too controlling of the people, And overall more harmful than helpful when you consider all the facts. While socialism looks good to some people on paper, The simple fact is that it doesn't work.
duroy

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We need to make something clear communism and socialism are not the same things.
Most people don't distinguish between communism and socialism
Marx in "Das Kapital" critics capitalism by pointing out that ruthless competition and their unethical pursuit of money are immoral as they exploit the masses. As an alternative, He envisioned a classless society, Without hierarchy, Without currency, Without personal property, Where people would work in harmony, Resolve their problems in friendly discussions, Produce enough goods and services, And where each would contribute according to his abilities and receive according to his needs. This is communism.
Communism as a political system was never implemented. Maybe Cuba after the revolution flirted with it and China during the Cultural Revolution we could also add North Korea. In reality, All of these countries have been socialist countries. Communism as a political reality existed mostly in the minds of undereducated American politicians and commentators.

Many people imagine that socio-economic theory boils down to two simple extremes, With capitalism on one side and communism/socialism on the other, And a vast yawning void between them.

The truth is a little different. Even the term "capitalism" has a huge range of ways it is practiced, Ranging from the extreme capitalism of the USA, To more moderate versions in other countries, Right up to social democracy

I will assume that you are referring as capitalism versus socialism /social democracy
I believe the best way for me to start off this debate will be to decorticate your argument piece by piece and give you my opinion on each one
"Because it allows people to change their financial status through hard work. "
you can change your financial status through hard work in socialist countries except that they give you the means to do that through, Free education, Wherein capitalistic countries young teenagers need to take loans to attain higher education where they struggle hard to pay later on life

"The government controls where the money goes, And competition between businesses is nonexistent Because there are none. "

the government taxes companies to help their citizens and redistribute the wealth the businesses are making, I assure that competition exists since many new companies get created every day in socialist countries as an example Sweden which had A total of 68, 113 new businesses were registered with the Swedish Companies Registration Office in 2017 and are competing locally but now also globally due to the globalization

"Capitalism is one of the things that makes people work hard not just for their country, But for themselves"

socialism allows you to work for your country, Yourself and for your community because you live in one no matter how rich you are if your community is poor it will create a lot of tension wherein the end it will affect directly or indirectly your well being

"When a company's own money is on the line, It allows them to work hard to please the consumer. "
not always especially if we talk about multinationals like what happens with Facebook and Cambridge analytica, All I want to say is the consumer isn't the priority, Profit is; and that doesn't align always with customers interest.

" On the other hand, When the government has a monopoly on business and decides where the money goes, People are less encouraged to work hard to serve their country, Do their job well, Or even work at all. "

the culture has a lot to do with that example one the most hardworking country in the world is Japan and it is a social democratic country

"While socialism looks kind to some people on paper, The simple fact is that it doesn't work. "
well, You are wrong, There a lot of socialist/ social democratic countries that are succeeding such as China japan Danemark Sweeden Norway Finland and many others and where the quality of life is sometimes much better than in capitalistic countries,
Debate Round No. 1
SamuelZimmerman

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duroy

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i suppose the debate is over?
Debate Round No. 2
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duroy

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Devilsadvocate178 3 years ago
Devilsadvocate178
Socialism and communism aren"t the same thing but they are close. . . And according to the communist manifesto socialism is intended to spiral into communism.

I find it hysterical the contender is speaking of "no personal property". . . . I guess they want to literally not be able to call anything they work for their own. There would be no such thing as theft. . . . You don"t own anything. . . Nothing is actually yours.

What this person obviously fails to realize as he is arguing for the government to take taxes from businesses to "redistribute" the money. . . Is that in countries that have been socialist countries for any decent amount of time don"t have a lot of businesses left to tax. What is the point in starting or even KEEPING a business running when there is no reward for the hard work and risk taken? People who start businesses and made them successful DESERVE to have more than the average individual.

What it really boils down to is this. . .
A capitalist sees a very successful, Wealthy person and thinks "how can I be that successful? What do I need to do to have what they have? "
A socialist/communist sees a very successful, Wealthy person and thinks "how dare they have so much more than me! What can I do to take all of that away from them so they are just as poor as I am? ! "
In other words. . . It"s all about envy and pure laziness.
Posted by Debating_Horse 3 years ago
Debating_Horse
Remember when people thought that socialism would work, And when they tried it, It failed? Yeah me too!
Posted by duroy 3 years ago
duroy
hey masterful thank you for commenting

I said that It was due to culture "the culture has a lot to do with that example one the most hardworking country in the world is Japan, And it is a social democratic country. "

I'm not saying that the universities are capitalist they still organizations within a large country and thus its the country that really define them, A university could receive funding yes sure and state as public but tuitions are still extremely high for the average American to attend higher education, Where I believe it should be a right to educate the people
Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
For you to say Japan is the most hard working country in the world because it is socialist is wrong on so many levels. To say Japan is socialist would require a whole new debate! However, The reason the Japanese work so hard is because of culture.
Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
duroy you don't understand that universities in America and across the world, Are normally funded by governments and are non-profit. It's false you would declare them to be capitalist when they are socialist.

As an example Harvard revived $608 million by the government in 2014.

https://www. Thecrimson. Com/article/2015/1/22/federal-funding-decreases-2014/
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