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China has created a successful form of Socialism

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Started: 10/26/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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billsands

Pro

Socialism was tried for decades and always failed because it was to extreme government tried to comntrol every aspect of life and economies. Results were dismal. But China where most of the economy is still owned and operated by the state, Has found a compromise, Much of the economy has been turned to the market and this is good but the commanding aspects of the economy are still in the hands of the state, The results have been miraculous for the people of china almost a billion people have been lifted out of poverty and the economy has boomed for 3 decades now.
supercodes

Con

The crux of your argument is that because China has socialist tools at it's disposal, And are currently experiencing positive growth, They are considered a successful socialist state, However, You have mired your argument by conceding that China has "compromised" it's core structure as a socialist nation, By embracing capitalism. Truth be told, China, Since it's revolution, Has spent most of it's socialist decades as merely a repressive unitary state, And has only in it's most recent decades experienced exponential growth, Due almost entirely to their embrace of a market economy.

In order to understand the state of China, You have to understand it's socialist history. Following the communist takeover in 1949, Land reforms were instituted which resulted in millions of executions of land owners. The Great Leap Forward, A major economic reform undertaking, Resulted in the starvation of nearly 45 million Chinese. These social reforms and resulting deaths, Are very similar in nature to the forced social reforms of North Korea and Soviet era Russia. The Cultural Revolution in the 60's pushed China further into socioeconomic isolationism by purging even more capitalist influences from society.

It wasn't until the late 1970's that major reforms took place, With the loosening of restrictions on it's people and the economy. Most importantly with this shift, China began to implement open market capitalism into it's system. This restructuring grew, Finally resulting in the country becoming the economic powerhouse we know today by the late 1990's.

I will concede that China's centralized leadership, And vast state-ownership of economic enterprises do not make China a truly free capitalist economy, But it's what single handedly made Shanghai and Beijing epicenters of international commerce, And what continues to bring millions of peasants out of poverty. Without China's participation in the free market, They would not be where they are today.

Furthermore, Despite China's economic success, The disparity of it's underclass can't be ignored in this debate. Despite major reforms, China is still one of the poorest nations on Earth per capita, When taking into consideration the economic stability of it's citizens. Despite dramatic growth to it's GDP, The newfound wealth of the country is largely maintained in it's urban centers, Which has created a huge gap between upper and lower classes, With over 90% of the country still making less than $1. 90 a day.

(Ref: https://geopoliticalfutures. Com/china-is-still-really-poor/)

A true socialist utopia (not that the original argument says as such), Would mean economic equality for all citizens, But China has never come close to realizing this, Thus making them a failed experiment in socialism, And yet another success story of market based economics.
Debate Round No. 1
billsands

Pro

Between Capitalism and Communism is a transitory period known as Socialism where the society moves toward an communist and egalitarian utopia, Before any of this may happen a rurla society must go through a period of capitalist development, This is consistant with both marxist and Leninist thought i refer to lenins new economic policies which allowed for markets Let us remember that half of the chinese economy is still run by the state no other economy on earth is that state run other than n korea or zimbabwe not even the failed state of venezuela. . And even though the state runs a huge chuck of the economy? And 1 out of 2 workers are employed by the state, I think that is still very socialist
supercodes

Con

supercodes forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
billsands

Pro

I will say this talk to young Chinese folks, They are happy their progress their nation makes, Few object to communists running things or attempting a socialist path as long as progress such amazing progress is made in improving the standard of living, Individual freedom is very secondary
supercodes

Con

supercodes forfeited this round.
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