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Deism is irrational

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Started: 11/13/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Deism is a belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.

I derived these contensions from a dictionary and the bible to support my argument.

If God no longer assumed control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomina, and giving no supernatural revelation, how did he open up space in the Jordan river for Jesus to cross.

There could possibly be an exception:
If their definition of Deism is not precise and very specific.


Deism is not a specific religion but rather a particular perspective on the nature of God. Deists believe that a creator god does exist, but that after the motions of the universe were set in place he retreated, having no further interaction with the created universe or the beings within it. As such, there are a variety of common religious beliefs that deists do not accept."

To begin with you use the bible to support your argument. Your user name is TheAmazingAtheist1. Atheists do not believe in God. The bible is the word of God.
Using the bible (the word of God) to make the argument that deism (the belief that God doesn't intervene) is "irrational", doesn't make sense. It's like attempting to define a word, but using that word in the definition.

Science is more accurate than blind faith in the bible. Scientific facts are proven facts and can be proven throughout time. Finding a highly religious catholic or christian scientist is rare, but you do find scientists with faith. Faith and Religion are two different things.

"Because God does not manifest himself directly, he can only be understood through the application of reason and through the study of the universe he created. Deists have a fairly positive view of human existence, stressing the greatness of creation and the faculties granted to humanity such as the ability to reason. As such, deists reject all forms of revealed religion. Any knowledge one has of God should come through their own understanding, experiences and reason, not the prophecies of others."

Deists believe in reason and logic. For you to say that deism is irrational because of a "religious" book that is not backed by fact or science is absurd. Deism is rational. Your knowledge of God should be from your relationship with him. Not because of "miracles" preformed hundreds of years ago that shows the son of God was real, so you should believe in his father too.

And in the end I feel that saying that any one's belief is "irrational" is wrong. People can believe what they want to believe. Even if it is proven through science. Even if it contradicts your beliefs completely. Everyone has their own reasoning. There is no need to force your beliefs of God or Atheism (can't tell because you can't make your mind up) onto other individuals. Condemning, judging, and looking down on others for their own personal ideas is irrational.
Debate Round No. 1


I am not condemning their beliefs and spouting their religious convictions just because it contradicts with my belief. It is just that:

"If God no longer assumed control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomina, and giving no supernatural revelation, how did he open up space in the Jordan river for jesus to cross?"

Please present proportional arguments as to how he opened up space in the Jordan river for jesus to cross (Unless you agree).

And I may agree. I may have worded it incorrectly. Here's a replacement for the title:

"Deism is not very logically thought out"


"Jesus" is a religious prophet who may or may not have existed. In this day in age he definitely exists in the bible and in the faith of individuals. He did not "open up space" he crossed the Jordan River. THIS IS CHRISTIANITY. A belief held by Christians.

You can't say that DEISM is not very logically thought out because of the premises of a different religion.

That's exactly like saying Atheism is not very logically thought out because God exists because of the bible. Or saying being Jewish doesn't make sense because Jesus is real and he is the son of God, the savior.

You cannot falsify another religion because Christianity is "right." Christianity is not the basis for everything unless you believe in it. And not every one believes in Christianity.

Your fact to argue that Deism doesn't make sense is that "God opened up space in the Jordan river for Jesus."
Deists do not believe in God in that sense. They would not believe in that sentence for one, because after creation, deists believe, God became inactive in humanity. Second deists do not believe Jesus is the son of God, so this miracle did not happen to deists.

Christianity is the basis of your fact which came from the bible. The bible is not FACT for everyone. So you can't say that Deism does not make sense just because it's not what you believe. You can't say that Deism is "not very logically thought out" solely on that fact that is doesn't coincide with the Bible. Science does not coincide with the bible, so I guess Science is "not very logically thought out" also.

Please present other facts as to how "Deism is not very logically thought out" that do not pertain to the Bible or Christianity.
Debate Round No. 2


Deists take the word of God.

So I am proposing specifically Deism's irrationality by a premise of its religion.


The word of God is different in every religion. For Christians, the word of God is the bible. For Deists spirituality and God are in nature and in what God has given the world. Jews find God in the words of the Tanakh, primarily the Torah. Every religion views the word of God differently. The word of God is not universal to everyone.

To say that Deists take the word of God, (referring to the bible), is false. The bible was created by man, as God spoke to him. According to Deists God does not intervene. Deists believe that the bible is not inspired by God.

God is not a universal belief. He is different in every religion.

You are proposing that because deist belief does not coincide with the word of God (the bible) it irrational. That is a Christian belief. So you are proposing that deism is irrational by the premise of Christianity.
Debate Round No. 3


"According to Deism God does not intervene."

Exactly. So if they believe that God does not intervene nor is involved with the happenings on Earth, why would Deists believe in the bible?


Deists do NOT believe in the bible. Deists do NOT believe in miracles.
Debate Round No. 4


Let me reword that.

SOME Deists take the word of God. And SOME don't.

And so, I am reffering to those who take the word of God.


ktblondie forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Lazarius 5 years ago
"Let me reword that.

SOME Deists take the word of God. And SOME don't.

And so, I am reffering to those who take the word of God."

However, you claimed that Deism itself is irrational. So therefore, you have conceded that you lost this debate.
Posted by TheAmazingAtheist1 5 years ago
Joshua 3:1 - 4:24
Posted by RockRiche 5 years ago
Could you point to me where it stated in the Bible that Jesus crossed the Jordan River? Thanks
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