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Disabled People Should Pay More Taxes

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Started: 5/28/2018 Category: Economics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Pro

I believe that physically and mentally disabled people need to pay more taxes to atone for their disability. Disabilities are punishment from God for one's sins. Those sins could include, but are not limited to, rape, murder, theft, and bullying.

Sometimes, the sinner/criminal's kids receive a disability. That is why disabled people need to pay $100,000 USD, or the equivalent of their currency, every year they live.

Also, disabled people use stuff like wheelchairs and crutches, which really waste material and production costs. With the same amount of material and money, we could build a time machine so we can go back in time and nuke India so they won't stink up the world.

Indians today are indeed a problem:

https://www.reddit.com......
asta

Con

I personally have autism and I am not willing to pay $100k extra in taxes for being mentally disabled.

Since you are the prosecution, prove to me that God punishes people with disabilities for sins that they committed. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. It states that in the constitution, 5th amendment (https://www.whitehouse.gov...).

While some disabled people use wheelchairs and chruches I would like to point out some basic facts:


1: Not all disabled people use wheelchairs or chrutches; I know I don't. https://www.census.gov... that nearly 1/5 people have disabilities. They include a wide veriety of disabilities; as an exaple someone with glasses would have a disability since they can't see as well.

2: Even the small percentage of disabled people who actually have a history of using crutches don't cost society $100k a year. While disabled people who need wheelchairs or chrutches should be pay for them without the government's help, taxing them $100k a year for their disabled status is extremely discriminitory against the disabled people.

You won't even have to build a time machine. I have a time machine at my house. It's called a clock. However, nuking India also would not be an ethical thing to do. Indians have rights. Pro's only reason why he hates Indians so much is because they smell. I don't know if Indians tend to be more smelly then non indians, but their smelliness does not justify nuking the subcontenent for 3 reasons:

1: Nuking innocent people to avoid an extremely nominal smell is extremely immoral and infringes on human rights
2: India is far away from the west. Even if Indians smelled very bad, their stentch wouldn't be noticed from America and Europe by the human nose.
3: It turns out that the nucluear fallout may smell much worse then some Indians since nucluear material smells bad.

I await pro's response, if he even responds.
Debate Round No. 1

Pro

Special needs people never do anything productive or useful for society. All they can do is cause trouble and make things difficult on other people.

Also, disabled people often are beggars.

https://www.alamy.com......

Since they basically take money from other people, it's logical to ask them to give more money.

A thief must pay back 7 times:

Proverbs 6:30-31 says " Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry; but if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house."

See, the average beggar in the United States makes around 60 bucks a day. That's about $20,000 to $25,000 each year. And if we only ask them to pay $100,000 a year, that's already very merciful. 100,000/20,000 is less than 7.

http://www.mypersonalfinancejourney.com......

The average wheelchair costs $100 to $800, depending on size and quality. Many people with cerebral palsy, severe physical disabilities, etc. need wheelchairs. Since they basically waste materials when they are better off dead, they need to pay at least $700 dollars every time they use their wheelchair. If we count using the wheelchair for one day as one "use", then each year they owe the gov't more than $250K dollars. And that doesn't even consider economic inflation and taxes.

https://www.karmanhealthcare.com......
asta

Con

"Special needs people never do anything productive or useful for society. All they can do is cause trouble and make things difficult on other people." There is a significent possiility that you made this comment from an Apple computer or a Dell/Microsoft computer, both of which are managed by autistic people (Steve Jobs and Bill Gates respectively) http://kerrymagro.com....

Your Alarmy site proves nothing. They are a picture site.

Not all autistic people are beggars. In fact some of them are doing pretty well like Nicholas Tesla.

As for the population that are beggars, they take money from people willing to give it to them. They don't steal since it is mutually aggreed between the financial donor and the begger. Otherwise, you would be a theif if you have recived a present from someone as a birthday. You would be taking that thing from someone. But this is okay, sine it is mutually consensual between all involved parties.

So they aren't stealing. The only thing you pointed out that they might be taking from the government is the wheelchair costs, which disabled people should pay for on their own.

"they need to pay at least $700 dollars every time they use their wheelchair." This is BULL. That just like me saying it costs you $200,000 to sleep one night in a house and sleeping in that house for a year would cost you $73,000,000. If that were true, then most people would be in debt by tens of millions of dollars. The disabled person buys the wheelchair once and then that wheelchair is perminently theirs.
Debate Round No. 2

Pro

https://www.reddit.com...

Disabled people are useless. They also cause trouble.

Many serial killers and rapists are mentally insane.

Special needs school students often cause immense trouble and destruction.

Look:

https://www.cdc.gov...

https://i.ytimg.com...

https://i.ytimg.com...

People w/cerebral palsy are so ugly, that they scare other people to death. That is why a tax of $100K or so would be a good way to apologize to the people they freak out due to their disability. Once again, a disability is a punishment for your own sin or the sins of your parents.

Horatio Nelson voluntarily joined the British military, and at the Battle of Santa Cruz de Tenerife, he lost most of his right arm. Why? Because he tried to destroy Spain. That is racism, as an Englishman wanted to kill, or at least demoralize and politically/economically weaken Spain: I repeat, this is racism!

https://en.wikipedia.org...(1797)#British_plans

https://en.wikipedia.org...

And finally, diabetes is also a disability. People with diabetes eat too much food because they are fat. Please visit the website (https://www.diabetes.co.uk...). As you can see, diabetes makes you need to urinate more often and it gives you blurred vision. They waste toilet paper, water that is used in the toilets, and makes things worse for the environment. As for blurred vision, they waste glasses, which cost lots of resources and money to manufacture.

If someone has type 2 diabetes, it means that they drink too much and/or eat too much junk foods. In that case, they should definitely atone for the crimes their fellow alcoholics commit. Because they eat too much junk food, they have little or no self control, and they probably commit other crimes such as bullying or murder.

For further reading, I would like to say that what50 and masterful are the same person, and reggee is mentally retarded, as shown in his idiotic and nonsense debates, saturated with grammar errors.

http://www.debate.org...

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http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

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Go ahead and read their debates.
asta

Con

I can't access your site.

Many serial killers and rapists are mentally insane, that is true. However, the homicide rate is less then 1/10,000 and the rape rate is also rare. Murderers and rapists should get punished but just because a fellow autistic commits a crime does not mean you should be punished for it. That would like me saying that all white supremists should pay a tax because of the actions of Dylan Roof.

https://www.nytimes.com...

If Special needs cause trouble in school, they get punished based off of the actions of the individual. just as you don't have to pay a fine for the murder spree commited by Dylan Roof (You said you a white supremist in a different debate), neither should autistics have to pay a fine for the crimes of other autistics.

https://www.cdc.gov...; This shows a happy guy in a wheelchair smiling at something I'm assuming is positive. Nothing wrong with this. He should not be punished for smiling

https://i.ytimg.com... shows a 40 year old woman zooming in to a computer. She is probably not retarted. Even though she's not the most attractive she should not be taxed $100,000 a year because of her apperance. You cited a bible verse in this debate. Jesus accepts the rejected and the strangers. He sais, "Whoever makes himself great will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be made great."(Good News Translation, http://biblehub.com...). If you say the bible is being metaphorical, it's a double standard how you support the bible when it says to punish theifs 7 fold even though most autistics don't steal much more then the typical citizen, but you dismiss this as being metaphorical. This is a double standard.

https://i.ytimg.com...; While in my opinion slightly more ugly then #1, just because you're ugly does not mean you're a burden to society. You definitely aren't justified to pay a $100,000 fine just because of one's apperance. If I think polar bears are ugly(lets say, their mouths are too big), that does not mean they should get pnuished for being ugly.

"People w/cerebral palsy are so ugly, that they scare other people to death." That's BS. Name me one time where somebody died from looking at a disabled person. None of the pictures you showed me made me want to die. They are all just pictures of normal people.

"a disability is a punishment for your own sin or the sins of your parents." This is not true. I did not get autism because of a sin my parents did. Otherwise, since everyone's parents have sinned, then we would all be autistic.

You mention "Horatio Nelson voluntarily joined the British military, and at the Battle of Santa Cruz de Tenerife, he lost most of his right arm. Why? Because he tried to destroy Spain. That is racism, as an Englishman wanted to kill, or at least demoralize and politically/economically weaken Spain: I repeat, this is racism!". This is off topic, but I'm going to pretend that it isin't.

You accuse Horatio Nelson of being racist for taking orders from the monarch to attack a foreign country in a war. Nevermind the fact that your being a hypocrite since according to http://www.debate.org..., which says that you want to genocide the following ethnicities:

-Indians
-Blacks
-Mexicans
-Jews

So your a hypocrite if you accuse him of being racist for attacking 1 ethnic group in a war but you want to attack 4 ethnic groups in a genocide because you think they are annoying and evil.



"And finally, diabetes is also a disability." While this claim is one of the most rational claims you made in this round (which is not saying much) the website you showed me does not even have the word "disability" in it. Therefore, diabetes is not an eating disability, since disability is not present.

"People with diabetes eat too much food because they are fat." It's the other way around. People with diabetes tend to be fat because they eat too much food. Please visit the website (https://www.diabetes.co.uk......).

"diabetes makes you need to urinate more often and it gives you blurred vision. They waste toilet paper, water that is used in the toilets, and makes things worse for the environment. As for blurred vision, they waste glasses, which cost lots of resources and money to manufacture." You forgot to end your quote. Acknowledging that though and your quote does not exist in your article or video, while actually antylyzing your fake quote that you stretched to fit your agenda, although the signs of diabetes are common and accurate, these are extremely nominal and often paid for by the diabetic. They pay for their own glasses. They pay for much of the toilet paper that they use and toilet paper is so nominal that it doesn't make a difference in everyday applications. The toilet water goes to a septic tank that basicly cleans the water or it goes to a body of water where decomposer organisms eat it. Toilets aren't even the biggest cause of enviornmental damage. http://www.academia.edu... the top 10 causes, and toilets aren't even on the list.

"If someone has type 2 diabetes, it means that they drink too much and/or eat too much junk foods. In that case, they should definitely atone for the crimes their fellow alcoholics commit." Being fat is not a crime within the civilized countries on this planet.

"Because they eat too much junk food, they have little or no self control, and they probably commit other crimes such as bullying or murder." Most fat people aren't bullies. They are more likely to get bullied then to actually get bullied, like from people like yourself so your once again, a hypocrite.


"For further reading, I would like to say that what50 and masterful are the same person, and reggee is mentally retarded, as shown in his idiotic and nonsense debates, saturated with grammar errors." This is off topic. What50 and Masterful might be the same person. I wouldn't know. If you accuse them of sounding stupid, you have said similar stuff in this debate so your a hypocrite. Charging disabled people about $300 a day just for being disabled exploits the disabled community.

Dear voters, my opponent has presented a bunch of terrible, deliberatly flawed evidence. He has said extreme claims without backing them up with justified evidence. He has fake quote(s), showing that dispite his sources, they aren't relevant since his quotes are fake. They aren't present in the article. He then goes off topic and accuses other people of saying things that he says as well. My opponent is a faker, a heritic, a fraud and a hypocrite. He also advocates for genocide since he wants to nuke India over the basis of a smell.

Vote Con.


Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Harikrish 3 years ago
Harikrish
Disabled people are paying more, But the tab is picked up by healhier people. That is how the healthcare system works.
Posted by SammiTheKitten 3 years ago
SammiTheKitten
fortnite iz gay
Posted by Can_o_worms 3 years ago
Can_o_worms
Boy seeing the responses to the Pro, I am starting to think that maybe this is a good idea. He's trolling guys.
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Posted by asta 3 years ago
asta
If you think I was better then pro, can you vote for me?
Posted by ZaneTheDruid123 3 years ago
ZaneTheDruid123
I just wanna say that the pro was absolutely retarded and idiotic those were all opinions where as the con was absolutely right he stated facts and just because a person is ugly that doesn't mean anything
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
masterful, please vote for me
Posted by Joshfour 3 years ago
Joshfour
As a male with autism, I see this and the other ridiculous suggestions you've said absolutely absurd and maybe even downright evil.
Posted by Joshfour 3 years ago
Joshfour
I've seen what else you've said Icebear, and you better be joking about not allowing blacks to have children, banning Mexicans, and being communist, oh and also THIS obviously.
Posted by asta 3 years ago
asta
I hope you are being sarcastic.
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